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[HighwayStar 8]

Yes

^^

[lurbz 2]

In fact if a good player raises UTG on the first hand of a 1500 chip tournament I think you should fold a lot of the small ones, 22-55, you simply haven't the implied odds - people aren't just gonna barrel off or stack off light too often if they're any good (unless they are lurbz). I'd also fold these hands in early position if it was folded to me, there is so little value in them early on.

Phil - 22-55 is setmine territory for many many many 45 and 180 regs.And yeah I have a reputation not only here but also among all regs as well of being a huge psycho. I've been told when I'm on my game I'm unbeatable but if I'm off I blow up hard.Enough about me. You really think folding 22-55 here is profitable instead of setmining? (10/20 and 15/30 only, and not beyond a 4x open) Could you elaborate a bit on why you don't?

[HighwayStar 8]

Phil - 22-55 is setmine territory for many many many 45 and 180 regs.And yeah I have a reputation not only here but also among all regs as well of being a huge psycho. I've been told when I'm on my game I'm unbeatable but if I'm off I blow up hard.Enough about me. You really think folding 22-55 here is profitable instead of setmining? (10/20 and 15/30 only, and not beyond a 4x open) Could you elaborate a bit on why you don't?

I'd say against a decent reg the profitability of set mining with 22-55 75 BBs deep anywhere except out of the BB is minimal. Aganist unknowns/spazzy mediocre regs it's fine. I think you just get stacks in too little when you do flop a set to make much money in the long run. When you call in EP you're opening yourself up to getting raised behind and having to fold. It's probably fine in the CO/BTN/SB - in fact thinking about it more I usually do call them in these positions.I just did some very basic analysis on a heads up pot where you fold unless you flop a set and pick up a c-bet if you don't stack your opponent.I got, when you flop a set and stack someone0% of the time : the EV is-40 33% of the time : the EV is 0100% of the time: the EV is +81The EV of folding is 0 - except in the blinds - which is why I think it's an idea to set mine there.This is very rough and simple I really don't know how often you stack someone, it's not a number I can come up with. I'm guesssing vs a strongish range of a sensible player it might be around 35-40% so it is profitable, but barely. Once you get to the second level of a 1500 chip tournament for the EV to be 0 you're gonna have stack someone a lot more - I'm guessing over 50% probably more. There are other factors - overcallers (increasing implied odds) and people suqeezing (meaning you have to fold) which kinda balance each other out.What I;m saying is I think people should be folding these hands in earlier positions and calling them in the CO/BTN and in the blinds but not expecting to show a huge profit long term.

[BenRobbin 0]

I do play them all every postion because noone can predict when a set is coming for sure. Now I started raising them all if im the first one in, but a ran into some situations today where I could of made a little more with a little more risk. JJ raise to 4x then reraised to three times by a guy who must have had aces? He had a full stack is it ever profitable to call a break him? With just me and him or with other callers, how many callers needed to make it profitable or maybe the odds dont really matter if you hit the set? I just made the sickiest fold of my life!

[babylondonks 5]

How much do antes change this? I'd imagine when people are raising to little more than 2x you will often be getting a decent price to setmine with antes involved too. Also you could setmine more profitably if you can take down the pot when you don't flop a set, by floating/checkraising some boards. However I think this is much harder to do in tournies than cash because there is implied EV in stacksizes and it may not be correct at all to do so.

[babylondonks 5]

I do play them all every postion because noone can predict when a set is coming for sure. Now I started raising them all if im the first one in, but a ran into some situations today where I could of made a little more with a little more risk. JJ raise to 4x then reraised to three times by a guy who must have had aces? He had a full stack is it ever profitable to call a break him? With just me and him or with other callers, how many callers needed to make it profitable or maybe the odds dont really matter if you hit the set?

Basically your chance to hit a set is around 1:8.5 if I recall correctly. However there are also times that your opponent flops a higher set than yours. So I'd suggest only calling if you get around 9:1 and you know with 100% confidence that you will get all your chips in the middle. Because obviously you can't know this, I think this number should inflate to 12:1 or more. So with your JJ example, if both you and your opponent have say $2000 stacks or more and you only need to call $150, it is probably profitable to call. Especially in position.

[HighwayStar 8]

How much do antes change this? I'd imagine when people are raising to little more than 2x you will often be getting a decent price to setmine with antes involved too. Also you could setmine more profitably if you can take down the pot when you don't flop a set, by floating/checkraising some boards. However I think this is much harder to do in tournies than cash because there is implied EV in stacksizes and it may not be correct at all to do so.

In the tournaments I'm talking about you are never ever going to be more than 30 BBs deep once the antes kick in and usually not much more than 10.In deeper stacked MTTs antes definitely factor in hugely. Also the ability to play for more than set value adds to the value. I'd still not flat much less than a 40 BB stack with 22-55I think trying to outplay people in the first 2 levels of a 180 or 45 man is completely futile, although plenty of people try.

[HighwayStar 8]

I do play them all every postion because noone can predict when a set is coming for sure. Now I started raising them all if im the first one in, but a ran into some situations today where I could of made a little more with a little more risk. JJ raise to 4x then reraised to three times by a guy who must have had aces? He had a full stack is it ever profitable to call a break him? With just me and him or with other callers, how many callers needed to make it profitable or maybe the odds dont really matter if you hit the set?

I'm not 100% sure what you're saying but if I raise JJ and get 3 bet early on 30-50 BBs deep I'm just jamming a lot of the time, unless it's UTG vs UTG+1 or similar in which case I'm probably folding. Putting people on AA alone is silly. If I'm deeper I might flat, but I'm playing for a lot more than set value in that case.

[babylondonks 5]

In the tournaments I'm talking about you are never ever going to be more than 30 BBs deep once the antes kick in and usually not much more than 10.In deeper stacked MTTs antes definitely factor in hugely. Also the ability to play for more than set value adds to the value. I'd still not flat much less than a 40 BB stack with 22-55I think trying to outplay people in the first 2 levels of a 180 or 45 man is completely futile, although plenty of people try.

Oh absolutely, didn't mean to imply differently really. Just more of a hypothetical/live tourney (where I believe stacks are often deeper with antes?) setting where you are deep enough to both setmine more correctly and also be able to play deeper postflop and so can generate some fold equity with checkraises and whatnot.

[lurbz 2]

How much do antes change this? I'd imagine when people are raising to little more than 2x you will often be getting a decent price to setmine with antes involved too. Also you could setmine more profitably if you can take down the pot when you don't flop a set, by floating/checkraising some boards. However I think this is much harder to do in tournies than cash because there is implied EV in stacksizes and it may not be correct at all to do so.

in turbos SNGs, you're never setmining past 25/50tourneys you can pull it off.

[trystero 0]

cool idea, gl fish

[HighwayStar 8]

Didn't get anywhere in miniftops events, won about $50 playing LHE. Not really feeling like playing much so this was more of a day off.

[qyayqi 11]

to get to the wsop, i'd have to win $10k+ by the end of may. so... my challenge is to get to $15k by the end of may.i'll be mostly playing 45turbos, some mttturbos, and some larger stuff on absolute where i have dusty money that i can use for shot-taking. to get there, i'll obviously have to move up the 45t buyin ladder.

[qyayqi 11]

early in a 45t, what do we do with a suited A facing a button raise? my tendency is to just call, but perhaps re-raising is better? folding? i feel like i've lost the plot a bit in these, so just getting a reality check here.Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($6.00+$0.50) t25/t50 - 8 playersUTG: t1,695 UTG+1: t2,780 MP: t1,425 HJ: t1,535 CO: t1,325 Button: t2,930 SB: t3,040 (Hero)BB: t1,465 Preflop: (t75) Hero is SB with (8 players)5 folds, Button raises to t150, Hero ?

[lurbz 2]

early in a 45t, what do we do with a suited A facing a button raise? my tendency is to just call, but perhaps re-raising is better? folding? i feel like i've lost the plot a bit in these, so just getting a reality check here.Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($6.00+$0.50) t25/t50 - 8 playersUTG: t1,695 UTG+1: t2,780 MP: t1,425 HJ: t1,535 CO: t1,325 Button: t2,930 SB: t3,040 (Hero)BB: t1,465 Preflop: (t75) Hero is SB with (8 players)5 folds, Button raises to t150, Hero ?

No reason to call this before 50/100.

[HighwayStar 8]

No reason to call this before 50/100.

?! I'm folding here but I'm folding more at 50/100.You could make an argument for calling in position but I think it's pretty bad out of position. I think reraising is a mistake out of position and possibly okay in position though not something I do.Really crushing Sunday so far. JJ < QT for a ton approaching the bubble of the WU and generally getting coolered everywhere. Done regging except for a couple of turbos and might play some cash later unless I get a deep run.I'm gonna take tomorrow off and think about what to do, I think I might start just playing turbo mtts/mtt sngs and more cash and leave regular MTTs except for on Sundays. I haven't had a winning session in non turbo mtts for longer than I care to think.

[lurbz 2]

?! I'm folding here but I'm folding more at 50/100.

I didn't say I was calling @ 50/100 if it came off that way. I was tired and 9 tabling when I posted that. It can be argued @ 50/100 but not @ 25/50.

[HighwayStar 8]

Ended up going really deep int he 10R and the mill. KK < TT for about 5/40 in the 10R with 20k+ for 1st and lost a decent sized flip for 197th in the mill.Didn't lose too much money on the day which is a success for Sunday.Continuiing with the challenge for now, feeling pretty good about how I'm playing. Will update weekly from now on.

[BenRobbin 0]

Smooth call or raise here? I have pocket tens other guy has overpair. I raise he calls in big blind. He Bets out 2/3 pot I call. Ten on turn he bets half pot I call. Should I raise, go allin, or smooth call? Board: 883 Turn: 10With 100bb deep is it worth calling a three bet from any position with a medium or higher pocket pair in a cash game? Out of position or in position? I guess some of this depends on the bankroll of the person for the limit.

[delved 0]

Smooth call or raise here? I have pocket tens other guy has overpair. I raise he calls in big blind. He Bets out 2/3 pot I call. Ten on turn he bets half pot I call. Should I raise, go allin, or smooth call? Board: 883 Turn: 10With 100bb deep is it worth calling a three bet from any position with a medium or higher pocket pair in a cash game? Out of position or in position? I guess some of this depends on the bankroll of the person for the limit.

What are all the bet sizes? It's probably not enough to go allin but I'd be raising here anyway. Don't be results-oriented.

[BenRobbin 0]

What are all the bet sizes? It's probably not enough to go allin but I'd be raising here anyway. Don't be results-oriented.

If I wasnt results oriented it seems I would lose everytime I play. I ended up flat calling to see the river, the river was a Jack and he bet Half of his original starting stack of ten dollars. I'm not sure if the bet size matters till the river because its usually the same.

[JustLikeNegs 1]

If I wasnt results oriented it seems I would lose everytime I play. I ended up flat calling to see the river, the river was a Jack and he bet Half of his original starting stack of ten dollars. I'm not sure if the bet size matters till the river because its usually the same.

i assume you folded this nasty river? yucky

[delved 0]

Smooth call or raise here? I have pocket tens other guy has overpair. I raise he calls in big blind. He Bets out 2/3 pot I call. Ten on turn he bets half pot I call. Should I raise, go allin, or smooth call? Board: 883 Turn: 10With 100bb deep is it worth calling a three bet from any position with a medium or higher pocket pair in a cash game? Out of position or in position? I guess some of this depends on the bankroll of the person for the limit.

If I wasnt results oriented it seems I would lose everytime I play. I ended up flat calling to see the river, the river was a Jack and he bet Half of his original starting stack of ten dollars. I'm not sure if the bet size matters till the river because its usually the same.

So incredibly untrue. Bet sizing matters until the very last bet. If you raised pre how much? You should be raising the flop. There's reason to smooth call the turn to slowplay once you obviously have the best hand, but I'm still probably raising. If the river is a J I'm still raising. Idk how deep you are but you played this hand terribly. You have to raise the flop. It's not even a choice because you aren't getting full value from the hand, especially when you megabink the turn. And being results-oriented is terrible because it completely changes how you could have played the hand. Having no idea what the other person has lets everyone else judge the hand based on what you've done and the mystery of what their hand is. If we know they have an overpair, it ruins everything. I'm folding flop then if I soul read him. But he called pre so its hard for him to have an overpair. Also, bet sizing completely matters on every street because you're trying to get value for your hand, not play it out and make sure you aren't beat. If you have a monster you want as many chips as you can from him. If you're scared of another hand and you have the second nuts, you shouldn't be playing poker sir. Lastly, yes, calling 88-JJ from a 3bet is fairly standard, especially in position. Then you can reevaluate postflop on what to do. The bankroll shouldn't matter at all because if you're playing out of your roll, you shouldn't be playing in the first place then.

[Jam-Fly 8]

If I wasnt results oriented it seems I would lose everytime I play. I ended up flat calling to see the river, the river was a Jack and he bet Half of his original starting stack of ten dollars. I'm not sure if the bet size matters till the river because its usually the same.

Howard Lederer always bets 30-40% of the pot on the river so peeps don't know if he is bluffing or taking them to value town. However renknowned and well respected pros Gavan Smith and Michael Misraki think u can overbet the river if u think they'll you. gl yw ducy

[KingJames 11]

GL HWYSTAR!