Fenxis 99 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I know it's unintentional, but you can better believe they thank me every time I point out that they've said it because they're horrified they might say it around someone who might care and might not know them well enough that they have no ill intention Oh geez... flashbacks to my neighbor across the street chasing down her cat that escaped the house. "Hey _______ come back or the Mexicans will get you". Um... wtf. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 When a coach refers to a player as an "animal" the pigmentation of the player's skin doesn't cross my mind. If you immediately connect "animal" with a person of colour then maybe you're racist. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 I don't think Torts was being racist or intended to be. But I think our choices are either to tell black people to just forget about the history behind a word used hatefully or point it out when it is used in a way that may be hurtful, since that helps everyone. Ignoring it is not helpful. If people called Torts racist, that's a problem if it didn't appear to be intentional, but calling it a racial slur is accurate, even if it's unintentional. I have family members on my non-Jewish side who still use the word "Jew" in the context of to cheat someone. I know it's unintentional, but you can better believe they thank me every time I point out that they've said it because they're horrified they might say it around someone who might care and might not know them well enough that they have no ill intention Do you also point out when you hear someone say Hip Hip Hooray? Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 When a coach refers to a player as an "animal" the pigmentation of the player's skin doesn't cross my mind. If you immediately connect "animal" with a person of colour then maybe you're racist. Do you think Howard Cosell's famous 'Look at that little monkey scamper' was okay? Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Do you also point out when you hear someone say Hip Hip Hooray? That purported etymology has long been disputed at worst, and debunked more likely. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 Do you think Howard Cosell's famous 'Look at that little monkey scamper' was okay? "Monkey" is a fairly common derogatory term so probably not. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 "Monkey" is a fairly common derogatory term so probably not. Cosell was never accused of being racist, just of using an improper word with racist connotations. So does that mean the majority of society was racist, because they saw the use differently than Cosell? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 Cosell was never accused of being racist, just of using an improper word with racist connotations. So does that mean the majority of society was racist, because they saw the use differently than Cosell? Like I said, it's a fairly common derogatory term so the connection is reasonable. Using the word "animal" to describe a player and/or his play refers to his performance and has nothing to do with race. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Like I said, it's a fairly common derogatory term so the connection is reasonable. Using the word "animal" to describe a player and/or his play refers to his performance and has nothing to do with race. I dont disagree with that at all. But I disagree that, because some may take that as a racist term, it means they're racist. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 Serious question: Is it acceptable to say, "Dan is a Jew?" Obviously it sounds better to say, "Dan is Jewish" but is the first one acceptable too? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 I dont disagree with that at all. But I disagree that, because some may take that as a racist term, it means they're racist. I understand your point, but I didn't say making that connection made someone racist; I said they may be racist. Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 This is getting out of hand, everyone's walking on eggshells and the media spins it any way they want. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 When a coach refers to a player as an "animal" the pigmentation of the player's skin doesn't cross my mind. If you immediately connect "animal" with a person of colour then maybe you're racist. You're better than this Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Serious question: Is it acceptable to say, "Dan is a Jew?" Obviously it sounds better to say, "Dan is Jewish" but is the first one acceptable too? Is this Seinfeld? It's about intent, and the former is certainly not an unacceptable term, whereas something like "kike" would never be ok. But I'd be inclined to not use "Jew" in public unless I was very aware of who would potentially hear it and in what context. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 You're better than this Lol...great argument. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Like I said, it's a fairly common derogatory term so the connection is reasonable. Using the word "animal" to describe a player and/or his play refers to his performance and has nothing to do with race. It probably has nothing to do with race. Except look at a few media studies and tell me how often the word "animal" (or similar) is used to describe a black player vs a white player. Or maybe the word "gritty" or "intelligent". And maybe it never has to do with race. But maybe we can find a better word than one that was used derogatorily towards a specific race for a long time. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 http://www.rsdb.org/race/blacks I guess they need to add animal to this list? Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Serious question: Is it acceptable to say, "Dan is a Jew?" Obviously it sounds better to say, "Dan is Jewish" but is the first one acceptable too? He is? I never knew Okay I am kidding Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 https://www.nhl.com/news/devan-dubnyks-mask-salutes-moms-cancer-battle/c-283694342?tid=282796264 Great story on the Dubnyk's. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Hmm, looks like a new goalie has replaced Price atop the GAA and Save percentage leaderboard after last night . edit: apparently some ugly finn snuck in to first in the GAA category Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Hmm, looks like a new goalie has replaced Price atop the GAA and Save percentage leaderboard after last night . edit: apparently some ugly finn snuck in to first in the GAA category You are a Finn? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Lol... Matt Murray was pictured on that main stats page for a while, but I guess his 4 gp no longer qualifies. 4-0, 1.25 gaa, 0.961 sv%... Long way to go to keep up with Devan and Tuukka though. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 Toronto Maple Leafs or Arizona Coyotes...who wins the Cup first? Link to post Share on other sites
Underdog 10 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Toronto Maple Leafs or Arizona Coyotes...who wins the Cup first? well since i doubt Arizona franchise will last its not a tough q Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 well since i doubt Arizona franchise will last its not a tough q Why won't it last? It's lasted this long and they have a new arena. Link to post Share on other sites
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