Random Hockey Observations

[Zach6668 513]

About 6 years ago, I coached a PeeWee (11-12 year olds) team at the Keystone State games. Basically Jr Oympics for the state of PA held in York, PA (home of the Peppermint Patty!). Anyway, early in the first of three games for the weekend, one kid on my team referred to an opponent as a "spic" when talking to the ref. He said something like "That spic slashed me, ref!". The ref threw him out of the game and they suspended him for the next game. I talked to the kid after the game and he told me he didn't know it was a derogatory term. The kids in his neighborhood used it all the time and he just thought it was like saying "Mexican". I 100% believed the kid and thought the punishment was way too high. His parents paid for 3 nights in a hotel and drove 5.5 hours from Erie, PA to play in 3.5 periods of hockey. Anyway, this shows that, as you said, some just grow up in a mostly white environment and that's all they know growing up. I think that shows that point at least.You should just put this in your sig.

That reflects poorly on the parents, IMHO.I'm sure they had heard him say it at some point, if it's that commonplace in his neighborhood. I feel bad for the kid, but not the parents.

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

I didn't think you intentionally implied it.Anyway, retard is not a word I use in conversation. I immediately notice when others use it but I'm much more interested in their intent when they use it and not the word itself. For example, if someone is trying to do something and they are having difficulty and they say "this is retarded" then it's different than calling someone a retard...obv. This is what I meant when I talked about intent being more relevant than diction. You can also insert "gay" for "retard".Retarded is a medical term that has been bastardized into an insult and I hate that we've given a weapon to people who would choose to want to use such a word in an attempt to hurt someone else. I hope someone understands what I'm trying to say. Mongoloid is another such term.Also, glad to hear your son is doing well Arp. Hope you an your wife are also doing well with the autism. I've seen it an know it can be harder on the family.

thanks Dale.Your right on with how a person uses it. Its just, when they do refer to a person, how are we supposed to decide if the intent was malacious or not? I guess it goes back to Steve's point.I guess in my way of thinking, if I can conciously do it, I wont use it at all. That way, no one else has to decide whether Im being malacious towards them or not. I wish I was better at it, but Im not.

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

Offtopic, but I also hate that the media feels the need to inform me how many Canadians were killed in a plane crash, natural disaster, etc. Personally, I don't care how many Canadians were killed. I care how many people were killed. I also have a problem when people like Don Cherry use a person's nationality as an insult.

agreed, and definetly agreed.

[DJ Vu 176]

I had no clue that uppity was considered a racist word until now.

I found out about that from an old Survivor thread:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uppity

http://blacksnob.blogspot.com/2008/09/they...mas-uppity.html

[Dubey 1,035]

First off, Great post Arp. Very well said.I actually didn't know your son was Autistic.I admitedly use the term 'retarded' way too often, I hope I haven't offended you, as I'm sure I've typed it on here more than once.re: Banana peel, I tend to side with Arp, in that Barch probably meant it as a racial comment. I mean, I'd like to give the guy the benefit of a doubt, but saying "what, did you slip on a banana peel" just seems like such an absurd thing to say in the heat of the moment, unless it was intended to infuriate.re: The N word. I don't think there is an acceptable time or place for a white person to say it or type it. Just my opinion.

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

I blabbed on..Didnt make much sense probably.

made sense to me. A lot of my closer friends in high school were hockey kids. Rep teams, tournaments. I think they were all good people, and all had good famillies. But they were all racist. I know that term automatically makes them seem evil, but fact is, they just grew up in a certain way, not having anyone of any other race or background around them. They just saw people as different. They had always grown up in Toronto suburbs, and were surrounded by other WASP's. I grew up in a much more multicultural area in my early youth in Toronto. I was shocked when we moved, and my high school had only a handful of immigrants or visible minorities. I didnt know it then, but now, you can see how we went from inner city to suburbs, and how the "look" changed. But just like how I was first perceived, I almost made snap judgements on them too. Racism/whatever you want to call it, goes all ways.I recall one day in grade 8, I got a ride home from a friends dad. I was on the basketball team, and I was coming out of the gym with my teammates when my friend offered me a ride. He wasnt on the team, but he lived in my area. I took the ride obv, and went off. I recall his dad turning to him, while I sat in the back seat, and saying "wow, I didnt know you guys had so many coloured kids in your school". Ill never forget that. What got me about that, was that it was a recent immigrant that said it! And someone who should know a lot about being judged based on race/religion.(no he wasnt Armenian, but its not to say Armo's are above it)

[serge 904]

made sense to me. A lot of my closer friends in high school were hockey kids. Rep teams, tournaments. I think they were all good people, and all had good famillies. But they were all racist. I know that term automatically makes them seem evil, but fact is, they just grew up in a certain way, not having anyone of any other race or background around them. They just saw people as different. They had always grown up in Toronto suburbs, and were surrounded by other WASP's. I grew up in a much more multicultural area in my early youth in Toronto. I was shocked when we moved, and my high school had only a handful of immigrants or visible minorities. I didnt know it then, but now, you can see how we went from inner city to suburbs, and how the "look" changed. But just like how I was first perceived, I almost made snap judgements on them too. Racism/whatever you want to call it, goes all ways.I recall one day in grade 8, I got a ride home from a friends dad. I was on the basketball team, and I was coming out of the gym with my teammates when my friend offered me a ride. He wasnt on the team, but he lived in my area. I took the ride obv, and went off. I recall his dad turning to him, while I sat in the back seat, and saying "wow, I didnt know you guys had so many coloured kids in your school". Ill never forget that. What got me about that, was that it was a recent immigrant that said it! And someone who should know a lot about being judged based on race/religion.(no he wasnt Armenian, but its not to say Armo's are above it)

Very true..I had similar experiences..One of the reasons(there were several) that we put Adrian in public school this year was i wanted him to experience different cultures and races. He went to the AGBU school in nursery and kindergarden and never interacted with any kid that wasnt Armenian. I think if a kid goes to private school(Armenian in our case) till grade 8 and doesnt see any other races its got to be real weird...He is in a school now that is full of races, religions ...

[ajs510 122]

I've started and stopped a reply a few times and I can't seem to put into words anything that I actually want to say, so I'll just go with this: I respect and consider myself to be friends with very nearly every person on this board, and if I ever actually hurt, upset or offend any of you I very much hope that you'll say so to me, so that I can understand what I said and why it bothered you, and then apologize. There's never any hurtful personal intent behind a post I make here. Ever.

[digitalmonkey 929]

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/juniorhockey/bl...orhockey-wp5582When I was watching Boone Jenner spear Kuznetsov and Huberdeau smack his stick against the boards I couldn't help but think how different the reactions and commentary would have been had it been Russian players who did those things.

[digitalmonkey 929]

I've started and stopped a reply a few times and I can't seem to put into words anything that I actually want to say, so I'll just go with this: I respect and consider myself to be friends with very nearly every person on this board, and if I ever actually hurt, upset or offend any of you I very much hope that you'll say so to me, so that I can understand what I said and why it bothered you, and then apologize. There's never any hurtful personal intent behind a post I make here. Ever.

Water is wet.

[ajs510 122]

First off, Great post Arp. Very well said.I actually didn't know your son was Autistic.I admitedly use the term 'retarded' way too often, I hope I haven't offended you, as I'm sure I've typed it on here more than once.re: Banana peel, I tend to side with Arp, in that Barch probably meant it as a racial comment. I mean, I'd like to give the guy the benefit of a doubt, but saying "what, did you slip on a banana peel" just seems like such an absurd thing to say in the heat of the moment, unless it was intended to infuriate.re: The N word. I don't think there is an acceptable time or place for a white person to say it or type it. Just my opinion.

Agree with all of this very much, except for the Barch part. If I was dealing with the situation I would personally lean towards giving a guy who has never been in league trouble in the past and who has been described by teammates and staff as being very upset himself by the allegation that he was racially motivated the benefit of the doubt. If it happened again, then absolutely throw the book at him.

[serge 904]

I've started and stopped a reply a few times and I can't seem to put into words anything that I actually want to say, so I'll just go with this: I respect and consider myself to be friends with very nearly every person on this board, and if I ever actually hurt, upset or offend any of you I very much hope that you'll say so to me, so that I can understand what I said and why it bothered you, and then apologize. There's never any hurtful personal intent behind a post I make here. Ever.

I wish i wrote this post..Because its exactly how I feel..And I AM SURE i have pissed off people much more than you have..

[digitalmonkey 929]

I wish i wrote this post..Because its exactly how I feel..And I AM SURE i have pissed off people much more than you have..

Piggybacking on Adam's post is highly offensive.

[digitalmonkey 929]

20 FCP members are online and 11 of them are in the hockey forum.

[mrdannyg 274]

I've started and stopped a reply a few times and I can't seem to put into words anything that I actually want to say, so I'll just go with this: I respect and consider myself to be friends with very nearly every person on this board, and if I ever actually hurt, upset or offend any of you I very much hope that you'll say so to me, so that I can understand what I said and why it bothered you, and then apologize. There's never any hurtful personal intent behind a post I make here. Ever.

I hate you.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/juniorhockey/bl...orhockey-wp5582When I was watching Boone Jenner spear Kuznetsov and Huberdeau smack his stick against the boards I couldn't help but think how different the reactions and commentary would have been had it been Russian players who did those things.

I agree, but not how you mean it, probably. I think Huberdeau in particular was being held to an overly high standard. What he did was nothing. It was not done aggressively toward the ref, nowhere near a player, nothing nothing nothing. Getting a misconduct was downright laughable.I didn't really find an issue with Jenner either, but I won't argue it so strongly. I haven't watched multiple angles, but looked closer to a shove than a spear, and one with no intent either. I don't think most Canadians would have been sht-talking a player from a foot and a half away, hoping for a reaction but being unwilling to make any contact, so the point is somewhat moot.

[serge 904]

Piggybacking on Adam's post is highly offensive.

guilty..

[ajs510 122]

I hate you.

[Babying 613]

I wish i wrote this post..Because its exactly how I feel..And I AM SURE i have pissed off people much more than you have..

This made me laugh.

[Dubey 1,035]

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/juniorhockey/bl...orhockey-wp5582When I was watching Boone Jenner spear Kuznetsov and Huberdeau smack his stick against the boards I couldn't help but think how different the reactions and commentary would have been had it been Russian players who did those things.

That is a really good article.

[Zach6668 513]

I hate you.I agree, but not how you mean it, probably. I think Huberdeau in particular was being held to an overly high standard. What he did was nothing. It was not done aggressively toward the ref, nowhere near a player, nothing nothing nothing. Getting a misconduct was downright laughable.I didn't really find an issue with Jenner either, but I won't argue it so strongly. I haven't watched multiple angles, but looked closer to a shove than a spear, and one with no intent either. I don't think most Canadians would have been sht-talking a player from a foot and a half away, hoping for a reaction but being unwilling to make any contact, so the point is somewhat moot.

Jenner got a suspension from that too, not playing today.

[digitalmonkey 929]

I hate you.I agree, but not how you mean it, probably. I think Huberdeau in particular was being held to an overly high standard. What he did was nothing. It was not done aggressively toward the ref, nowhere near a player, nothing nothing nothing. Getting a misconduct was downright laughable.I didn't really find an issue with Jenner either, but I won't argue it so strongly. I haven't watched multiple angles, but looked closer to a shove than a spear, and one with no intent either. I don't think most Canadians would have been sht-talking a player from a foot and a half away, hoping for a reaction but being unwilling to make any contact, so the point is somewhat moot.

I completely disagree with you. I think Huberdeau's reaction was very unsportsmanlike and disrespectful to the referee. I think a 10 minute misconduct penalty there was a great call. I realize these guys are teenagers, but that should only encourage us more to teach them how to conduct themselves on and off the ice.And most Canadian players wouldn't have been shit-talking, but most Russian players also would not have. There are all types of players on every team these days.Take away the crowd, the commentary and the distinguishing jerseys and names and nobody would ever be certain which team was Russian and which one was Canadian.

[fryer98 30]

We stopped in Erie and stayed in a hotel for the night. Went to the casino and got questioned by their fine casino security. Let me tell you, Erie is all white.

Oh yea, there's not too much to the "city" of Erie and anywhere outside of it is surely redneck.

That reflects poorly on the parents, IMHO.I'm sure they had heard him say it at some point, if it's that commonplace in his neighborhood. I feel bad for the kid, but not the parents.

In talking with other parents that knew the kid, he didn't have the best upbringing or atmosphere at home, so yea....I agree there.

[SBriand 4]

So this Haberdasharoo got a misconduct for slapping his stick on the glass? Just curious because Morrow did that the other night vs Detroit and got nothing for it and he did it out of frustration towards the linesman. The Dallas goalie played the puck to the boards and shot it right where the linesman was standing and the linesman ducked and the puck went off his helmet and into the stands. Morrow was coming in to take the puck and said something to the linesman and then swung his stick into the glass not 8 yards away from the linesman. I could read the linesmans lips, "What was I supposed to do???" I am surprised he didn't get an unsportsman call for that.

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

I've started and stopped a reply a few times and I can't seem to put into words anything that I actually want to say, so I'll just go with this: I respect and consider myself to be friends with very nearly every person on this board, and if I ever actually hurt, upset or offend any of you I very much hope that you'll say so to me, so that I can understand what I said and why it bothered you, and then apologize. There's never any hurtful personal intent behind a post I make here. Ever.

I know this all to be 100% true. Great post my friend.Since Im the one doing the "what offends me" posts, let me just say Ive never been really offended by anything said on here, ever. Getting upset, and being offended are two rather big diffs in my book.

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

I realize these guys are teenagers, but that should only encourage us more to teach them how to conduct themselves on and off the ice.And most Canadian players wouldn't have been shit-talking, but most Russian players also would not have. There are all types of players on every team these days.Take away the crowd, the commentary and the distinguishing jerseys and names and nobody would ever be certain which team was Russian and which one was Canadian.

I cant comment on the specifics of certain actions, as I havent watched enough of this tourney or that last game....but wow do I ever agree with the rest of Dale's post.