I Have Trips, But..

[DonkSlayer 1]

2/4 Limit on Stars, I forget if this was part of a HORSE rotation or was just a limit table. UTG2 had been very quiet since I sat down and I couldn't recall him showing down anything. DonkSlayer is in the BB with UTG2 calls, LP calls, SB completes, DonkSlayer checks.Flop :card_spades_k:SB checks, DonkSlayer bets, UTG2 raises, LP folds, SB folds, DonkSlayer calls.Turn :card_hearts_k:DonkSlayer checks, UTG2 bets, DonkSlayer calls.River DonkSlayer bets.Villain had been quiet so no real need to 3-bet him when he raised the flop, although I didn't think "K" was certain at the time (78 or A9 maybe). I didn't want to put in more than 1 bet on the turn against this player, so I checked again, and when he bet, I was really thinking he had KJ/KQ or had just turned a boat. I led the river, hopefully forcing a 9 to call and would've folded to a raise. I could've led the turn but I think I'm losing more bets when I'm behind than gaining when I'm ahead if I took that line. Thoughts?

[magnus72 0]

Looks to me like he might have flopped bottom two. I dont think you have to be worried about the five at all. His bet on the turn is a continuation of his raise on the flop. Unless he flopped a set looks pretty good.

[Silly_11 0]

I'm just c/c that river... To me the c/r on the flop says that the flop helped his hand (hit a set or Kx) or he's got a good draw going... (like you said 78 or A9 ). Is your line on the river b/f? or B/C?

[DonkSlayer 1]

I'm just c/c that river... To me the c/r on the flop says that the flop helped his hand (hit a set or Kx) or he's got a good draw going... (like you said 78 or A9 ). Is your line on the river b/f? or B/C?

River line was B/f in case that wasn't clear in the OP.

[homnig 0]

River line was B/f in case that wasn't clear in the OP.

Wow, that's pretty tight!

[DonkSlayer 1]

Wow, that's pretty tight!

He really really has to have like A9 or 78 here for me to have him beat, right? Actually, it probably has to be A9....isn't a draw taking a free one to the river? Any other hand that plays like this, a tight player raises or folds preflop. Maybe he hadn't seen anything for a while and an A9 or 78 sooted looked good enough to limp with in EP.

[Zach6668 513]

Hmm... this is interesting.I'm ok with your line, but I probably bet/call the river, if he raises.I don't know.I'd really like to get another raise in there, like a turn c/r, but being 3-bet is pretty gay.Weird hand.Range for UTG+2? I'd say definitely 66, 99, KQ, KJ, which are ahead of us, but depending on his looseness, we could add K9 or K8 sooted. Dependant on his aggression post flop now, we could add hanves like 77, 88, TT, A9. He could easily have 78s as well... hmmmmmI have no idea. I guess it kinda boils down to reads here, but I really don't hate a wa/wb line.

[CoranMoran 0]

Looks to me like he might have flopped bottom two

I don't think Villain was playing with 96.

River line was B/f in case that wasn't clear in the OP.

I don't fold the river with trips.You say the Villain won't raise you with a hand that you can beat.But will he call your funky river bet with a hand that you can beat more often?I don't mind your river lead at all.But players will often see river donk bets as desparate bluffs.And if Villain was on a bluff himself, then he may think bluff raising you on the river will get you to fold.So I can't lay this down.I bet-call.--CM

[beans422 0]

Bet/fold is just way too tight and not the right play here. Either c/c or b/c.

[Actuary 3]

c/c the river.With you not representing the K more on the flop or turn, he will bet more hands into you, including missed draws, than he would call with if you lead.He's betting and calling with A9, likely, so no difference there.what draws? bleh, 78s I guess. By c/c you also never pay two bets when you are behind.When you lead, you let him fold missed draws and raise better hands. I doubt you get a bluff raise here enough to offset the advantages of c/c.

[finztotheleft 0]

I don't get the bet on the river when the 5 completes his straight if he did have the 78.I would have reraised the turn, no one else ?

[Actuary 3]

I don't get the bet on the river when the 5 completes his straight if he did have the 78.I would have reraised the turn, no one else ?

we're not ahead enough to do so.Read on player is that he's not loosey-goosey.that board fits little draws or worse hands, at all.He's an EP limper.Unless it's A9s/K8s we don't have the best hand.But we can call down, with seveal outs on the turn and odds on the river, imo.

[pokerplayer24 0]

I'd much rather c/r this river then bet/call it.The river card is kind of bad for it since it completes 78 which might cause him to check behind something decent but at the same time I think your hand is greatly under-repped thus far and i'd rather c/r and get looked up by all kinds of stuff, then b/c and just get called when ahead but almost always get raised when behind.

[Actuary 3]

I'd much rather c/r this river then bet/call it.The river card is kind of bad for it since it completes 78 which might cause him to check behind something decent but at the same time I think your hand is greatly under-repped thus far and i'd rather c/r and get looked up by all kinds of stuff, then b/c and just get called when ahead but almost always get raised when behind.

And call a 3 bet? No way right.Please explain c/r here to me.Worse hands, if they bluff, aren't calling the c/r.Many Better hands are 3 betting.Almost all better hands are bettingAll better hands are at least callingOnly worse made hands like A9 are maybe betting and calling a c/r.What percent of UTG limping hands are we ahead of here?But I'd rather hear you than listen to myself type anymore.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Let me throw something else out here:IF our opponent is tight/quiet like this one was, and I lead a river that makes a straight (or I'm just randomly waking up), wouldn't he probably just call with KJ/KQ often here? I understand the c/c line, but I feel like the A9 gives up on the river (would we as a group elect a value-bet if we were the villain with A9?) but is more prone to call a bet with it b/c it's a donkbet. So, maybe, I only lose one more bet that I would've called off anyway to a K(better kicker), maybe win a bet from A9 or even a limped JJ/QQ.If you HAD to accept the fact that I was folding the river to a raise, I lose some potential value by not leading, right? I think right/wrong depends on whether we think the KJ/KQ will just flat call the river.

[Actuary 3]

Donk,imo, A9 does not make up a large part of his range.He also still bets A9 sometimes (rarely) when checked to.I see only a small value bet based on those two considerations.What we give up is the occasional free showdown, if indeed he does not raise KQ/KJ here sometimes, then possibly he checks behind with those.We are also never raised off the best hand. Rare, but costly.In a nut shell:Will he call with more losing hands than he bets?Will he raise worse hands?Will he check behind with better hands?I think this adds up to c/c because the need to see showdown with trips, exceeds any possible small margin of value when villain calls with more losing hands than he bets here, if that is even true.If villain had to play straight up and absolutely was not allowed to bluff, then I like b/f.

[DonkSlayer 1]

I think this adds up to c/c because the need to see showdown with trips, exceeds any possible small margin of value when villain calls with more losing hands than he bets here, if that is even true.If villain had to play straight up and absolutely was not allowed to bluff, then I like b/f.

The gist. Good stuff.Villain called and mucked. Fck me for not looking at the HH but I'm still used to Tribeca and that HH doesn't show the mucked showdown hand.

[pokerplayer24 0]

And call a 3 bet? No way right.Please explain c/r here to me.Worse hands, if they bluff, aren't calling the c/r.Many Better hands are 3 betting.Almost all better hands are bettingAll better hands are at least callingOnly worse made hands like A9 are maybe betting and calling a c/r.What percent of UTG limping hands are we ahead of here?But I'd rather hear you than listen to myself type anymore.

Yea I probably can find a fold vs a 3-bet. In this situation I think we get called a lot on the river simply due to the WTF factor.Just seems like overall we have played this hand relatively soft given a weak read.Idea of c/r for me would be.You're putting in 2 bets max and will be getting max value from bluffs and more value from 9x or pp type hands which will probably call a c/r here.So yea I guess I should say that C/ring is better then bet/calling but at the same time c/cing might be the best option. Its really a tough spot with no good read as different types of players can have so many different hands here.

[Shimmering Wang 1]

In a nut shell:Will he call with more losing hands than he bets?Will he raise worse hands?Will he check behind with better hands?I think this adds up to c/c because the need to see showdown with trips, exceeds any possible small margin of value when villain calls with more losing hands than he bets here, if that is even true.If villain had to play straight up and absolutely was not allowed to bluff, then I like b/f.

And Actuary is the nuts. We need to see a showdown here, and I can't find a fold given the situation. Even if I could, I'd rather check/call, and hope my quiet opponent could bluff (which all quiet opponents do so much more than you think). Actuary's got it on LockDown