Interesting Omaha 8/b Situation (long)

[tlane 0]

I was playing Omaha 8/b last night at a local casino in Reno, NV and I started talking to another player who was in town from Southern California. We started talking about Omaha in the California card rooms and he claimed that Commerce was a place that was spreading a lot of Omaha 8/b. And then he told the table about an occurrence at a 10/20 omaha 8/b game at Commerce that he witnessed. Now, obviously all of this information is hear/say, but this is interesting enough for me to pass along:A hand with a considerable amount of action went to a showdown between two players. The pot was around $400; the board read T T 7 7 5; player A shows AK24; player B shows A523.The dealer incorrectly pushes the pot to player A. Player B interjects and explains that he has two pair, T’s and 5’s with an ace, while player A only has a pair of T’s with an AK. The dealer (incorrectly) explains that player A has two pair, T’s and 7’s with an AK (I know, pretty silly…but just wait). Here’s where it gets even more interesting – seven of the other players backed the dealer’s decision. Although player B, and the guy who told me this story tried their best to explain that player A’s hand was AKTT7, and player B’s hand was A55TT, they could not get the pot pushed to the winner. The floor was called over and, amazingly, concluded that the dealer had made the CORRECT ruling. Knowing that this was one-thousand percent wrong, the guy who told this story said that he proposed to the floorman that he would call another California card room, get one of their floor people on the phone, explain the situation, and have them explain to Commerce’s floorman why he was wrong. Now, I’m not sure of the place he chose to call, but he based the decision on the other place being very experienced in spreading Omaha. Apparently, the two floor people talked, and the pot was finally awarded to player B. One more thing, there was one person at that table who initially knew that the wrong player was being awarded the pot…it was player A. apparently this guy later said that he knew the wrong decision was being made, but he didn’t say anything in hopes that he would scoop the relatively large pot. Back to yesterday in Reno. The dealer at our table argued with the man telling the story that any card room would not, and could not accept a decision made by another card room. According to our dealer, even if the wrong decision was made, it should stand even if a different card room supervisor/floorperson offered a different ruling. And if they did, then the floorman should be fired on the spot.There are several issues that should be addressed, but here are the main ones:- Was it wrong for the man telling this story to propose to call a floorman form another card room?- Was it wrong for the floorman to accept?- Should there ever be an outside authority to make such rulings? - Should there be any reprimanding action taken to anyone in this situation (dealer, floorman, player A)? I would like to hear what you have to say about this. I had a situation like this happen to me in the Taj. I was playing 2/4 omaha 8/b when I had a showdown with a lady when I held AQ45 and she held AQKT. The board was Q 2 2 4 9. I had QQ449 and she had AQQ22…the dealer split the pot explaining that we both had AQQ22. I tried to explain, but no one seemed to understand. The pot was very small, and I just let it go not wanting to waist the time of the other players, or myself for that matter. The more and more I think about it, I become more upset with myself that I did nothing.

[antistuff 0]

this is why strategy books devote entire chapters on how to read the board.

[AK33 0]

- Was it wrong for the man telling this story to propose to call a floorman form another card room? Yes because every cardroom has it's own rules, granted this is simply misreading a hand but still- Was it wrong for the floorman to accept? Probably.- Should there ever be an outside authority to make such rulings? No, just hire people that aren't donks. - Should there be any reprimanding action taken to anyone in this situation (dealer, floorman, player A)? Issuance of pink slips.

[_Great_Dane_ 0]

On principle, I would have spent the rest of the day, if necessary, teaching the dealer and floorperson that, in this game, each player must play two of his hole cards.

[stan394 0]

I don't understand why it's so hard to convince the floormen. Just say you need exactly 2 hole cards to make the best 5-card hand.

[CBass1724 1]

Just wondering but isn't there some kind of "poker test" you must pass in order to get a job like this? It seems like common sense to me that you must know the game in order to deal and rule on decisions.

[sholden 0]

I had a situation like this happen to me in the Taj. I was playing 2/4 omaha 8/b when I had a showdown with a lady when I held AQ45 and she held AQKT. The board was Q 2 2 4 9. I had QQ449 and she had AQQ22…the dealer split the pot explaining that we both had AQQ22. I tried to explain, but no one seemed to understand. The pot was very small, and I just let it go not wanting to waist the time of the other players, or myself for that matter. The more and more I think about it, I become more upset with myself that I did nothing.

You shouldn't even need to bother explaining. You should just turn the A and the 5 face down or push the Q4 forward a bit and say "I'd like to play these two hole cards, thanks".And player A is a jerk, yes feel free to keep quiet when the dealer pushes you the pot. However, when the other player contests it and you know he's right and it's frickin' obvious but you have a retarded dealer tell the idiot to push the pot to the other guy.

[tlane 0]

On first thought, I decided that it was entirely unacceptable to go to an outside source for a ruling as well…but consider that this was not one of the ‘grey areas’, or sometime subjective parts of live poker play…this was as simple as deciding who has the best hand…and if someone is actually becoming victim to the incompidence of more than on employees…then I think it’s a different story. I don’t know what I would’ve done if it were me, or had I been at that table….

[KoRnholio 2]

push the Q4 forward a bit and say "I'd like to play these two hole cards, thanks"

That's what I would do. People tend to be bad at doing abstract/verbal logic on the spot. Showing them is much easier.

[tlane 0]

That's what I would do. People tend to be bad at doing abstract/verbal logic on the spot. Showing them is much easier.

That’s what I thought originally too, I was told that this did happen with no success. Omaha hi/lo can sometimes be very difficult to deal/play/understand at times even for the most experienced of players (all make mistakes), but this along with the fact that the popularity of poker has heightened demand for personnel at poker rooms - most are not properly trained on anything else besides hold’em - makes the situation ripe for serious blunders…and makes this situation somewhat believable and unsurprising

[rwood 0]

what a ****in tard

[antistuff 0]

You shouldn't even need to bother explaining. You should just turn the A and the 5 face down or push the Q4 forward a bit and say "I'd like to play these two hole cards, thanks".And player A is a jerk, yes feel free to keep quiet when the dealer pushes you the pot. However, when the other player contests it and you know he's right and it's frickin' obvious but you have a retarded dealer tell the idiot to push the pot to the other guy.

youde have to be a retard to speak up if you were the guy in that situation

[rwood 0]

no you just have to not like money

[runthemover 39]

sounds fake to me. no way a whole table would get that wrong.

[Zach6668 513]

sounds fake to me. no way a whole table would get that wrong.

Are you joking?Have you ever played live?