CrazyJoe 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 this is not 'collusion' this is unethical.....BUT WE'RE ****ING PLAYING POKERi am indifferent to Gold, but some of yall sound like haters. if Gold had no explicit deal regaurding payouts and such THEN ITS NOT COLLUSION,however he may have used some jedi mind trickswhat does payouts have to do with collusion? this collusion man, straight up, just like it was illegal when Gold flashed a card, how in the fuck did he get away with that? Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 of course he has skill. he beat 8772 players. but he does seem like a bit of a jerk off.Yes, because beating out thousands means you are awesome just like Chris Moneymaker. Link to post Share on other sites
HangukMiguk 8 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 what does payouts have to do with collusion? this collusion man, straight up, just like it was illegal when Gold flashed a card, how in the fuck did he get away with that?promised jack effel a blow job. Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie Gold' 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 He can suggest anything he wants at the table. If people go along with it... what can you do?It was overt collusion I guess. Or it could be interpretted as the power of suggestion Advantage of the big stack guys. You can clearly use this strategy to help you out because it will leave the rest of the table in fear of you still. Link to post Share on other sites
Teffy 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 this is not 'collusion' this is unethical.....BUT WE'RE ****ING PLAYING POKERi am indifferent to Gold, but some of yall sound like haters. if Gold had no explicit deal regaurding payouts and such THEN ITS NOT COLLUSION,however he may have used some jedi mind tricksyou obviously don't know what collusion is.I can't belive people havent been calling for him to be stripped of his title. He has verbally admitted to breaking what is clearly outlined in tournament rules. If it was up to me, he should be stripped. Link to post Share on other sites
Fluffdog87 2 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Advantage of the big stack guys. You can clearly use this strategy to help you out because it will leave the rest of the table in fear of you still. lolJAMIE GOLD=DONKTARD! Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 I'm glad to see the debate is still going. It seems somewhat split, but probably 70/30 as far as this being collusion. Maybe someone could send this question into Steve Rosenbloom when he does his mailbag thing for ESPN poker. Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 yeah i tried the SEARCH FUNCTION, but could not find the link to that radio interview...help would be appreciated.thanks Link to post Share on other sites
HangukMiguk 8 Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 this is not 'collusion' this is unethical.....BUT WE'RE ****ING PLAYING POKERi am indifferent to Gold, but some of yall sound like haters. if Gold had no explicit deal regaurding payouts and such THEN ITS NOT COLLUSION,however he may have used some jedi mind tricksso is chip signalling not collusion if they don't discuss payouts?this is an absolutely stupid reasoning for why something is not collusion, and you should seriously know better.yeah i tried the SEARCH FUNCTION, but could not find the link to that radio interview...help would be appreciated.thanks http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...c=71465&hl= Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I don't think it's collusion at all - he's just stating the obvious - that he has a huge stack and he's going to be stealing an that he'll be insane enough to go at anyonethe guy to his right doesn't have to do what he says Link to post Share on other sites
cu in 4years Dan 1 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 i think what he did was illegal. it is the same as flipping over your hand mid round.its just stupid. my vote is that the poker world just all whipe this "world champion win" off the face of the earth. like you know when a marriage gets annuled?yeah well we do that in this situation. Link to post Share on other sites
arpinology 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 i've read the quotes, the article, etc. i am not too worried about it. its a form of collusion in my book. you would thinking tutoring by johnny chan, collusion might have come up. what i am worried about is amateurs watching this adopting his style...telling people that they have a strong hand. after watching the wsop this evening, i saw 2 instances where gold scolded people for calling him when he admitted he had strong hands. from what i've learned in the past few years of card playing is to tell an opponent what you have is...not that profitable. and not poker(in this case.) i also disliked how he would rationalize folds for other people. ex, the guy who was donating his WSOP earnings to medical research. ok, A) the guy should have folded A-K no matter what. but gold's rationalizing the fold for the guy. another one i heard last week is "you dont want to go out this close right." that is paraphrasing, but that i dont like.then again, poker is psychological warfare. Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Its not collusion because he's not telling them what he has, only suggesting that they fold. They dont have to listen to him. And telling somebody you have them beat or that you have a monster hand is not illegal. People were only doing what he said becuase they didnt want to go up against his stack. But I did think he talked too much. Easy to do when you have more chips then the entire room combined. Im sure he prolly wont make it passed the first day next year. Link to post Share on other sites
Stylin_Fish 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Biggest form of collusion i've ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 For the record, I sent this question in to ESPN's poker section correspondant (Rosenbloom) so maybe I'll see it answered. I'm not holding my breath, but I'd love to hear his opinion on it. Link to post Share on other sites
Jack "Gold" Harris 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 What Gold is talking about isn't collusion at all. To collude Gold would have to have someone at the table to collude with. Nobody is claiming that the other members of the final table were colluding with Gold. What Gold was doing was playing mind games on his opponents, and they worked.What is striking about the anti-Gold comments (and the front page of pokerplayer newspaper) is how naive, lamblike, and immature the new-wave of poker player is. Poker is and always will be about winning, and that's all. There is and never will be any honor among poker players. Poker is about getting the money, that's all. Does anyone really believe that, say, for instance, if you had 6 million riding on one hand, that you would give that 6 million away to the poker player across the table from you if, for some reason, you were tipped off that he/she was holding rags, and on a bluff?What Gold did has been going on since at least the 1980s in the poker rooms. That's why nobody called Gold on it--because nothing was done that hasn't always been done. Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 I'd say something about how Gold HIMSELF claimed the others colluded with him, but after seeing your name, I realize you wouldn't be able to read my reply since your head is obviously crammed up Gold's ***. Link to post Share on other sites
Jack "Gold" Harris 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I'd say something about how Gold HIMSELF claimed the others colluded with him, but after seeing your name, I realize you wouldn't be able to read my reply since your head is obviously crammed up Gold's ***.Where does Gold say that he colluded with other members of the final table? Link to post Share on other sites
TheCorporation3 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Where does Gold say that he colluded with other members of the final table?BANBEEEE....AHHHH.....ENNNNBAN Link to post Share on other sites
cu in 4years Dan 1 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 What Gold is talking about isn't collusion at all. To collude Gold would have to have someone at the table to collude with. Nobody is claiming that the other members of the final table were colluding with Gold. What Gold was doing was playing mind games on his opponents, and they worked.What is striking about the anti-Gold comments (and the front page of pokerplayer newspaper) is how naive, lamblike, and immature the new-wave of poker player is. Poker is and always will be about winning, and that's all. There is and never will be any honor among poker players. Poker is about getting the money, that's all. Does anyone really believe that, say, for instance, if you had 6 million riding on one hand, that you would give that 6 million away to the poker player across the table from you if, for some reason, you were tipped off that he/she was holding rags, and on a bluff?What Gold did has been going on since at least the 1980s in the poker rooms. That's why nobody called Gold on it--because nothing was done that hasn't always been done.your a donky. honor is a HUGe part of being a poker player. this is how they make large bets with each other. they just shout out "lay you 3:1?" "yep i'll take that". its all honor YOU SMACKTARDi suggest you read poker wisdom of a champion by doyle brunson before making stupid comments like that. Link to post Share on other sites
TheCorporation3 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Where does Gold say that he colluded with other members of the final table?Die....please? Link to post Share on other sites
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