toddkrit 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Fri Aug 04 17:51:00 PDT 2006Negreanu's Stack DentedOn a flop of J98, Daniel Negreanu bets $12,000 and Chris Combs calls. The turn is the 3 and Negreanu shoots out again with $18,000. Combs calls and the river puts the 10 on the board. Negreanu pushes all-in, having Combs well covered and Combs calles all-in, showing J10 for top two pair. Negreanu shows 108 for a worse two pair and Combs rakes in the pot to double up to $130,000. Negreanu's stack is now down to $158,000.Poop. Link to post Share on other sites
XX44466XX 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 No smoking during ME play Daniel, you should know bettah. Link to post Share on other sites
alf13 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Great play and read by daniel....Just WOW....it isn't his fault that donkey can't throw away 2 pair on an obvious straight board. Link to post Share on other sites
toddkrit 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 I kind of think that DN shouldnt have pushed there. They were right after the bubble and people who dont have chips are going to start pulling the Gus Hansen All ins now to try and double up. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerdan97 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I think that's a dumb push ... especially just after the bubble to a shorter stack ... he just donked off like half his own chips. Link to post Share on other sites
bammerbey 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I think that's a dumb push ... especially just after the bubble to a shorter stack ... he just donked off like half his own chips.he loves those 10 8 and 9 7 starting hands. he has won many pots with them, but also lost many as well. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerdan97 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 he loves those 10 8 and 9 7 starting hands. he has won many pots with them, but also lost many as well.I love them to ... why push ? It was a dumb push. Lemme guess, because this is DN's site any play he makes is the right play ? Link to post Share on other sites
thrope 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 whats wrong with the push, depending on how donk'ish DN had been playing the past half hour, theres no way he thinks J10 is gonna call him therethats one of those plays where once you see your opponents hand you arent too happy, as your read was correct Link to post Share on other sites
pokerdan97 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 ......... Link to post Share on other sites
toddkrit 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dont think its a starting hand issue. He can play anything from any position. I think it was a time issue. For him to have his head around the way these guys are playing but not realize that after the bubble pops its going to be an all in fest is a bad mistake IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
XX44466XX 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Dont think its a starting hand issue. He can play anything from any position. I think it was a time issue. For him to have his head around the way these guys are playing but not realize that after the bubble pops its going to be an all in fest is a bad mistake IMO.That's one of his great strengths-post-flop play.Get back in thar Danny Boy!!! Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Great play and read by daniel....Just WOW....it isn't his fault that donkey can't throw away 2 pair on an obvious straight board.explain to me how an INSIDE straight hitting on the river is an OBVIOUS straight board, just because a board ends up 4 to a straight, doesn't mean it's an obvious straight board, the only hands that could logically make a straight are 78 or QJ, and Daniel had obviously been pushing alot of hands, the opponent had half his stack in the pot already, there are several reasons why this isn't a ridiculously horrible call. Link to post Share on other sites
GCP 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 It's still a bad call. Link to post Share on other sites
alexruimy 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Yeah, it was a bad call. But he'll get the chips back, just you watch. Link to post Share on other sites
All_In 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Great play and read by daniel....Just WOW....it isn't his fault that donkey can't throw away 2 pair on an obvious straight board.isn't that part of poker, feeling who would lay down the hand and who wouldn't?BUT, i was not watchinmg the hand, or play before it, so the play might have been the 'proper' one in that situation. Link to post Share on other sites
loxo 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Edit, forget what i had written. Sry not sure how to delete my post. Link to post Share on other sites
alexruimy 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Edit, forget what i had written.Lol, you edited it between the time I clicked 'reply' and the time the reply page loaded.Yeah, there's a bit of ambiguity with my pronouns, but clearly you got it. Link to post Share on other sites
braminc 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 im personally not impressed with the way daniel has played this ME based on the hands that are posted on cardplayer and the ones he describes in his vlog. i love him to death, but if he's not only playing but RAISING 90% of the hands preflop im not giving him credit for a hand EVER, so its really no surprise he got called. he should know that his bluff power is all but gone and im not so sure he was bluffing here...i just dont think his luck can last Link to post Share on other sites
XX44466XX 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 im personally not impressed with the way daniel has played this ME based on the hands that are posted on cardplayer and the ones he describes in his vlog. i love him to death, but if he's not only playing but RAISING 90% of the hands preflop im not giving him credit for a hand EVER, so its really no surprise he got called. he should know that his bluff power is all but gone and im not so sure he was bluffing here...i just dont think his luck can lastHow long did you make it in this year's ME? Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 It's still a bad call.okay, good analysis, way to stimulate the discussion. Link to post Share on other sites
toddkrit 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 It seems like he should kind of play more tight right now and grab the $$ the low stacks are gonna toss around and not get into too many hard decisions. It seems like he thinks everyone there is a donk.......but these last 800 are the best 10% this year. Maybe he should give this group a little more credit than he did in the first part of the tourny. Link to post Share on other sites
braminc 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 How long did you make it in this year's ME?omg, did i offend you by logically criticizing your idol poker player? im so sorry. your point proves nothing, obviously i didnt play the ME and obviously DN is a better player than me. but that doesnt mean others cant criticize his play. just giving my opinions that are founded on very limited info, and im well aware of it thanksIt seems like he should kind of play more tight right now and grab the $$ the low stacks are gonna toss around and not get into too many hard decisions. It seems like he thinks everyone there is a donk.......but these last 800 are the best 10% this year. Maybe he should give this group a little more credit than he did in the first part of the tourny.just cause they are the final 10% doesnt mean they are the best 10%. but i do agree with your overal point Link to post Share on other sites
xtxoxpxd 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 according to the theory of poker, the river push was undeniably the right play. Link to post Share on other sites
braminc 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 according to the theory of poker, the river push was undeniably the right play.are you referring to Sklanskys Fundamental Theorem of Poker? if so, then your completely wrong.... Link to post Share on other sites
toddkrit 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 according to the theory of poker, the river push was undeniably the right play.According to poker theory, you dont play 90% of your hands in a tourny. Link to post Share on other sites
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