July Goals

[Mattnxtc 0]

man i really need to get a bigger monitor...i cant do 2 tables without over lapping and my screen is to small to make it smaller

[iggymcfly 0]

Yeah, I thought the 40K hands was way more impressive than the cash. That's just amazing. I've been playing pretty consistently this month (for me), and I've only got something like 9,000 hands. Although to be fair, I only 2-table when I play 6-max NL so if you're playing 9 to 16 tables, that would make up the difference. By the way, how the hell do you play 16 tables? Do you just play uber-tight PF to cut down on how many hands you have going at once? What's your VPIP? I've never played more than 6 tables at once, and never more than 4 on any kind of consistent basis.

[Abbaddabba 0]

I play 6 tables without any problems on 1280x1024 res.I think i'd need to get a new moniter to play 8, much less 16. What kind of moniter and what's your max res?

[mrdannyg 274]

I play 6 tables without any problems on 1280x1024 res.I think i'd need to get a new moniter to play 8, much less 16. What kind of moniter and what's your max res?

i'm the same, though when i'm clearing party boni, i can get 10 without much problem, though that allows me to see exactly 0 action at the tables.

[Zach6668 513]

PP24 at work.

[pokerplayer24 0]

I still hate you.seriously, I would never go to college.Or at least put it off for a looooong time

Playing poker sucks though. I went through 2 of the toughest poker months ever and finally now i'm back to winning which is nice. I tend to post a lot when i'm winning but when i'm losing / breaking even for 50k hands no one hears about it. (other then those who can deal with me bitching at them on aim).

Yeah, I thought the 40K hands was way more impressive than the cash. That's just amazing. I've been playing pretty consistently this month (for me), and I've only got something like 9,000 hands. Although to be fair, I only 2-table when I play 6-max NL so if you're playing 9 to 16 tables, that would make up the difference. By the way, how the hell do you play 16 tables? Do you just play uber-tight PF to cut down on how many hands you have going at once? What's your VPIP? I've never played more than 6 tables at once, and never more than 4 on any kind of consistent basis.

22/15 so i'm somewhat nitty but not terribly so.

I play 6 tables without any problems on 1280x1024 res.I think i'd need to get a new moniter to play 8, much less 16. What kind of moniter and what's your max res?

Nothing that crazy. I have a dell 21 in with a max res of 1600X1200.With pokerstars resizable tables I can play with a 3X3 table set up quite comfortably with no overlap at all.As I add tables I tend to go with 3 rows of 4 tables. This way only the sides are cut off somewhat.16 tables is just chaos though.I plan on investing in a 24 or 30 in monitor at some point. I just dont think i'd ever be able to use dual monitors since I tend to get tunnel visions sometimes and would probably start missing a bunch.

[Actuary 3]

it's my goal to not go thru this much torcher only to bubble.Last Hand: I'm SB all in A8 after Button limps..BB calls with 35. He had 6000 but had yet to call a push of mine, I think. Note the swings. 6 man, 2 Pay.My Stack: $30+3 6 Man.Seat 6: Actuary ( $2000 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2000 ) semi bluffed a weak turn bettor and callerSeat 6: Actuary ( $2545 ) Seat 6: Actuary ( $2505 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2485 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2545 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2545 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2505 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2505 ) QQ All in pf, loses to AKsSeat 6: Actuary ( $705 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $665 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $665 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $805 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $805 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $805 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $765 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $735 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $735 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $735 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $735 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $590 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $530 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $500 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $500 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $590 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $590 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $590 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $530 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $500 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $650 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $650 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $650 ) AA. My 3rd all in since being short, 1st time I'm calledSeat 6: Actuary ( $1390 ) Seat 6: Actuary ( $1330 ) Called an All-In with KTo in BB, he had QJo and wonSeat 6: Actuary ( $745 ) Seat 6: Actuary ( $745 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $745 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $895 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $895 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $795 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $745 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $745 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $745 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $745 ) All in with JTo, A8 call, I suck outSeat 6: Actuary ( $1540 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $1440 ) TT, I push preflop after 1 limper, BB calls with AJ, J on turn Seat 6: Actuary ( $250 ) Q8s I go all in preflop and triple+ up with trips 8'sSeat 6: Actuary ( $850 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $850 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $850 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $850 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $875 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $975 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $975 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $975 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $975 ) BB special, flop trip 7's c/r all in and get called by TPSeat 6: Actuary ( $2050 ) Open push QsJs from SB, shortie calls with 63sSeat 6: Actuary ( $2580 ) limp after another limper with Qh8h from Button (no SB this hand)..hit 2nd pair and raise flop. Lose to TPSeat 6: Actuary ( $1955 ) Seat 6: Actuary ( $1955 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $1755 ) Complete with Qd8d after Button limp. Push a 2d 3d 5h flop. BB calls with QQ, Jd on riverstart 3 Handed (Bubble)Seat 6: Actuary ( $3225 ) Seat 6: Actuary ( $3625 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3825 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3625 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3925 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3725 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3625 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3625 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3825 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3725 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3725 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3200 ) Min raiase AK from Sb. Bet 90% pot on QJx flop. Get called and shut down. Up against Big StackSeat 6: Actuary ( $1985 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2285 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2485 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2385 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2385 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2185 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2585 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2585 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2385 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2585 ) Made a brillaint raise of 40% of my stack with AK (4.5 BB's). BB called and pushed a 335 flop. I called He had TT. I screwed the pooch there, but in the end same result...he calls a push preflop. But had I made a 3x BB raise, anyway, I would be able to fold the flop eaiserSeat 6: Actuary ( $350 ) Qd5d all in preflop, 5 on turn is good enoughSeat 6: Actuary ( $1050 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $950 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $950 ) Call an all in with 76 off from BB. 6 on river and QTs goes downSeat 6: Actuary ( $2100 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2500 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2500 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $2100 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $1900 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $1900 ) from BB move all in after SB completes. My 77 stands up to K2sSeat 6: Actuary ( $3800 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3400 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3400 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $4600 ) flop trip K's. Bad kicker, flush draw came on river, so I called and made a littleSeat 6: Actuary ( $4400 ) Seat 6: Actuary ( $4400 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $4000 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3800 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3800 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3400 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3200 )Seat 6: Actuary ( $3200 ) Jh7h in BB. Raised a min bet to 3x the bet on flop of 5s 3h 5h. He called. I took the free River (turn Qd). He bet river all in.Seat 6: Actuary ( $1683 ) A8o all in after Button limps BB calls with 53 off. Flop has a 3. I"m done. out on Bubble.**********************next tourney...yeah..I won a $22.

[Abbaddabba 0]

It's my goal not to lose $500 in pots in three consequtive hands at 5/10. asdf;lajksdf;lkajsdf;lkajsdfHand 1: Some d-bag 3bets my under the gun raise i cap... he otherwise is tight... flop is 10 3 2... capped on the flop. Turn is a 10. Oh great. surely the only way he could have me beat is if he has quad 10's if he's tight. RIGHT?! 10 rag for the win. Hand 2: K8s in the big blind. Flop is K 3 3. Preflop raiser bet/folds and 3 other people call my check/raise. Turn is 8. Oh boy. Please may no one be slow playing a 3? River is a K. Second nuts. Yhey. Guy who is 80/20/1 wakes up on the river. Take a guess.Hand 3: AQ in the small blind. Late position raise, i 3bet. miss, peel, pick up backdoor draw with my overs, miss... blah blah... not an eventful hand. First two hands were 200+. Third hand was about 80.Worst day in a while. I sort of laughed to myself... that was so much ****ing money. So quick. And... gone.

Playing poker sucks though. I went through 2 of the toughest poker months ever and finally now i'm back to winning which is nice.

2 months? Over how many hands? I assume you werent playing at the same rate, because losing over 200k+ hands is kinda sickening.

[pokerplayer24 0]

2 months? Over how many hands? I assume you werent playing at the same rate, because losing over 200k+ hands is kinda sickening.

Basically it was from May 10th to the end of June.It all started when I lost something like 6-8k at 30/60 limit. I spent the next 50-60k hands running at something like .5/100 at 10/20 and 15/30 to make it back. The games just got a lot tougher for some reason it seemed.Then my first jaunt into NL i started at 2/4, took dumb shots at 5/10 and because of those dumb shots ended up breaking evenish over 20k hands.So yea it was 70k hands of me not making money. More because of my own stupidity and taking shots. But thats how i've always done it.And yea hands like the ones you posted above are the reason I couldnt take limit anymore.

[iggymcfly 0]

I agree that the limit games have gotten a lot tougher. Back when I was taking shots in November, it seemed like the 15/30, 20/40, and 30/60 were all eminently beatable for large sums of money. Then when I was building back up in March and April, I found that I couldn't beat anything higher than 3/6. When I played the 5/10 games, (which were at one point my bread and butter), I'd consistently post small losses), and trying 10/20 (which I also used to beat regularly), I lost 100 BB, and basically ended up tilting off my BR because of it.Since then, I've made basically no effort whatsoever to try to get good at limit. After I hit my MTT win to revitalize my BR, I played the $77-$215 SnGs for a while, along with 1/2 and 2/4 PLO, before finally going back to the NL cash games which have been much more profitable. Playing mainly 2/4, but also taking shots at 3/6 and 5/10, I'm up $7,000 through 8,000 hands.

[Mattnxtc 0]

It's my goal not to lose $500 in pots in three consequtive hands at 5/10. asdf;lajksdf;lkajsdf;lkajsdfHand 1: Some d-bag 3bets my under the gun raise i cap... he otherwise is tight... flop is 10 3 2... capped on the flop. Turn is a 10. Oh great. surely the only way he could have me beat is if he has quad 10's if he's tight. RIGHT?! 10 rag for the win. Hand 2: K8s in the big blind. Flop is K 3 3. Preflop raiser bet/folds and 3 other people call my check/raise. Turn is 8. Oh boy. Please may no one be slow playing a 3? River is a K. Second nuts. Yhey. Guy who is 80/20/1 wakes up on the river. Take a guess.Hand 3: AQ in the small blind. Late position raise, i 3bet. miss, peel, pick up backdoor draw with my overs, miss... blah blah... not an eventful hand. First two hands were 200+. Third hand was about 80.Worst day in a while. I sort of laughed to myself... that was so much ****ing money. So quick. And... gone.2 months? Over how many hands? I assume you werent playing at the same rate, because losing over 200k+ hands is kinda sickening.

this is why i quit limit poker...wanted to through the computer to often

[Actuary 3]

this is why i quit limit poker...wanted to through the computer to often

why?it has a spell checker on it..oh nevermind, that would not have helped.lol.

[screech 0]

I guess it is, Thats why I didnt include the $ part really. I was more of like holy **** I played 40k hands in 2 weeks when I checked my DB today.

So say you get 1200 hands/hr, that means you are playing ~16 hours a week. That's not that bad. Though playing that many tables must take a lot outta you.Just move up and play like 8 tables. It's just as easy, and will help you keep your sanity.

why?it has a spell checker on it..oh nevermind, that would not have helped.lol.

I would like to be able to quit limit. My bankroll would thank me. I make about a third the hourly rate at limit as what I make at nl. The only thing is, I can put in more hours at limit and actually enjoy playing it a lot more.

[Actuary 3]

I've been wondering lately....Is Smasharoos absence hurting the entusiasm for Limit.I don't think among the veterans; but among the new crop ?He sold Limit pretty hard.also, why is it getting tougher..or in fact, is it just that the cohort of players here over a period of time that excelled posted the most and now, tend to regress towards their long term WR ?I'm pretty sure my LTWR is less than I had i the firs 70k hands.I'm rambling trying to find a reason for the seemingly sudden communial disinterest in playing lots of limit

[screech 0]

I've been wondering lately....Is Smasharoos absence hurting the entusiasm for Limit.I don't think among the veterans; but among the new crop ?He sold Limit pretty hard.

Nah, he basically said limit is tougher/more interesting. I agree.

also, why is it getting tougher..or in fact, is it just that the cohort of players here over a period of time that excelled posted the most and now, tend to regress towards their long term WR ?

I think the lower limits are tougher now. I also dont think the limits between 10/20 to 30/60 aren't necessarily that hard to beat (1.5BB/100 should be sustainable), it's just that the overall aggressivness has increased (which means you need to adjust strategy a bit), and the good players are better which makes teh swings tougher.

I'm pretty sure my LTWR is less than I had i the firs 70k hands.

It would increase if you moved up ! (hourly rate anyway), or played nl!

[Actuary 3]

I thought Smash stated Limit was more profitable?along with interesting and toughergood reply screech.so you are saying 5/10 is easier than 2/4?lol..you are trying to suck me in and take my money.

[Abbaddabba 0]

Most of the people who post regularly in these forums started and made their way up with limit.And you get sick of it.I feel like i have to move up, but playing 5/10 still gives me anxiety (despite the fact that my first 2k hands im running at 6BB/100 .... even after that 3 hand stretch i posted). And i dont feel nearly comfortable enough with my NL game to play that regularly. I should try it out though.

Basically it was from May 10th to the end of June.It all started when I lost something like 6-8k at 30/60 limit. I spent the next 50-60k hands running at something like .5/100 at 10/20 and 15/30 to make it back. The games just got a lot tougher for some reason it seemed.Then my first jaunt into NL i started at 2/4, took dumb shots at 5/10 and because of those dumb shots ended up breaking evenish over 20k hands.So yea it was 70k hands of me not making money. More because of my own stupidity and taking shots. But thats how i've always done it.

It's a break even stretch money wise, but you're probably up quite a few bets. 6-8k at 30/60 really isnt much.

[Mattnxtc 0]

why?it has a spell checker on it..oh nevermind, that would not have helped.lol.

Yes I was tired and cant spell...and im gonna hunt u down actuary haha...im gonna THROW you through a window

[screech 0]

so you are saying 5/10 is easier than 2/4?lol..you are trying to suck me in and take my money.

Maybe not, but I wouldnt be suprised if it's very similar. And a similar winrate means you just got a 200% raise!Also, the rake is lower as you move up, which helps bolster your winrate a bit.

I feel like i have to move up, but playing 5/10 still gives me anxiety (despite the fact that my first 2k hands im running at 6BB/100 .... even after that 3 hand stretch i posted).

You are clearly rolled for the game and cna clearly beat the game. Not moving up is silly. And this is coming from the guy who wont play SH limit without 1000BB.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Holy crap, guys...I can't wait to get back to online poker. I've got no idea how people grind out the low stakes games in person. Played 7.5 hours of poker today (two tournaments) and have nothing to show for it except for the lost buy-ins. The speed sucks, the structure sucks, the vig sucks. "Wow...you can make 'reads' on people...whoopdy freaking doo." Yeah, fine...I'll play for fun and maybe once I have the roll for bigger games, but I'm done with this small-time live stuff in an effort to make a profit.

[iggymcfly 0]

You pretty much have to play higher stakes live than you do online to compensate for how slow the hands come out. I have to play a little lower where I live, and all it does is ensure that I lose money when I do it. I've cut my live play way back, and mainly just do it for fun now.

[Abbaddabba 0]

You pretty much have to play higher stakes live than you do online to compensate for how slow the hands come out.

Probably even higher than most people think.You can make quite a bit more multi tabling 2/4 with rb/bonus than you can conceivably make at a 20/40 live. You play up to (and potentially more than) 10 times as many hands. Rake structure is better the higher you go, but if you're a high volume player you should be getting back all the rake you pay anyways.Playing live for the money is a joke compared to online until you get to high stakes games.

[iggymcfly 0]

Well, apparently my self-control is nowhere near what I thought it was. I basically ****ed myself in the *** last night. First I dropped $1000 playing backgammon of all things, chasing my losses by getting into higher and higher games. (Funny, that doesn't work any better in backgammon that it does in poker.) Then, I played some Party blackjack and got back $600 of it so I could quit for the morning get into a 5/10 NL game and try to get back the rest of it. Well, there was one really juicy table, so I got on the waitlist for that, and then when it opened and I joined it I closed out the other table like I was supposed to stayed and played two tables. Got down a little bit early and started playing bad until I finally promised myself that I would leave if I made any more mistakes once I was down three or four buy-ins. I started winning for a while after that, until the deck started kicking my ***. I lost a buy-in through general bad cards, then missed two big draws in big pots, and finally got all in for $1000 with TPTK against a super-LAG with TT who hit a two-outer on the river. Net result: -$5500 for the NL session and -$6000 for the morning.That basically wiped away all my earnings for the month, and knocked my BR all the way down to around $4000. With my 3/6 NL tilt session last Saturday, I'm down $9000 for the week. I guess this is actually why I quit playing NL cash games in the first place. Still though, the money there's way better than most forms of poker, and my winrate when I'm playing responsibly dwarfs my winrate for anything else. I'm just going to have to take a couple days off, get my mind right, and rebuild. I should really probably move down to 1/2, but I really, really want to stay at 2/4. I guess I'll see how I feel when I've calmed down a little.P.S. I know it seems a lot of my problems are due to outside leaks (blackjack etc.), but I really have no desire to do any of that until I sustain a big poker loss. The $3000 I lost playing 3/6 the other day started this whole thing, as it got me to talk myself into losing another $2000 playing BJ, and was also the reason I started taking shots at 5/10 to recover (was up a couple buy-ins before tonight). If I could control myself even reasonably, I know I can average 10 BB/100 at 2/4 and I know I could beat the 5/10 game consistently too, so I really need to just calm myself down. If I can chalk this up as a learning experience and start playing more responsibly, it really won't be a big deal in the long run. This is the third time I've lost more than 2/3 of a five-figure or near five-figure BR; I'm just hoping this time I can hold on to that last third.

[Actuary 3]

you're a mess!hey, curious, Do you really need this money or do you have other sources to bail you out?I can't imagine that lack of control from someone who knows so much about the game unless their "BankRoll" is really extra money.serious question.

[iggymcfly 0]

Nah, poker's my only source of income. I just tend to tilt playing NL. I haven't played NL cash games seriously since December and that's why. The blackjack thing I haven't done in a really long time. I don't know where that came from. I did save myself enough that I can easily build it back if I'm just careful. I'm determined now. I'm going to move down to 1/2 and do this right. If I set some non-monetary goals, I should be able to keep myself down there for a few weeks, and then I'll be back in the clear.