"check It Down"

[MikeJohnson724 0]

Recently in a tournament someone typed this in the chat box when another player was all in. The two then proceeded to check it down.Some people felt that this was collusion and that nothing should have been said in the chat box.How do you guys feel about this, and other things such as this, said in the chat box. What would happen in a live tourney if they said "Check it down"Thanks guys!

[StrippersNBlow 0]

From what has been posted here in the past, I think it's only collusion if the other person agrees. Just because player 2 did check, doesn't neccesarily mean that it was because of player one's suggestion. If player two said 'Ok', then it would be. Player one should be subject to some sort of discipline though.

[Suited_Up 2]

You just flat out can't talk about it.

[lucky_charmz 0]

I would be seriously pissed off about this if I was the all-in player. Who knows what the other guy is going to do? Maybe he will bet if he flops a draw and get the other guy to fold a pair. Who knows? Telling him to "check it down" is total collusion. I would complain.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

It's an iffy scenario since player 2 may have intended to check it down without having player 1 tell him to do so. But for sure player 1's actions were an attempt at collusion. In this type of scenario, I usually just inform the player of the rules in a matter of fact way without too much anger or accusation since he may legitimately not be aware of what constitutes collusion. I find it more productive to inform others and ensure people are aware that such actions are indeed collusion instead of blindly reporting the player, but then again maybe I'm just too easy on colluders.

[lucky_charmz 0]

It's an iffy scenario since player 2 may have intended to check it down without having player 1 tell him to do so. But for sure player 1's actions were an attempt at collusion. In this type of scenario, I usually just inform the player of the rules in a matter of fact way without too much anger or accusation since he may legitimately not be aware of what constitutes collusion. I find it more productive to inform others and ensure people are aware that such actions are indeed collusion instead of blindly reporting the player, but then again maybe I'm just too easy on colluders.

[Mercury69 3]

To chat openly about it should be punishable.

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

You just flat out can't talk about it.

BingoI like to type "nice job" after someone bets into the dry pot and loses. Just for emphasis.

[Bizzle 0]

You just flat out can't talk about it.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"I have aces" Bizzle folds "Whoops I meant eight-ces "If there was every ANYONE who was completely wrong to post on this topic, it would be you.

[Suited_Up 2]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"I have aces" Bizzle folds "Whoops I meant eight-ces "If there was every ANYONE who was completely wrong to post on this topic, it would be you.

I was saying it every hand.... but when I did have them, I just pushed and then showed them afterwards.

[Bizzle 0]

I was saying it every hand.... but when I did have them, I just pushed and then showed them afterwards.

ROFL. Hardly. You said, "I have aces" pushed, and showed aces. You said it again a round and a half later, pushed, and then showed 8s. Because I respected you, I laid down queens. Apparently, I was wrong.

[Suited_Up 2]

ROFL. Hardly. You said, "I have aces" pushed, and showed aces. You said it again a round and a half later, pushed, and then showed 8s. Because I respected you, I laid down queens. Apparently, I was wrong.

LOLWell I was also saying it hands prior to that, when I didn't have them... because I had gotten aces more than my share at that point.

[bcook823 0]

What would happen in a live tourney if they said "Check it down"

very good chance you would get a penalty

[Bizzle 0]

LOLWell I was also saying it hands prior to that, when I didn't have them... because I had gotten aces more than my share at that point.

So just to make sure that I have this straight...In your little mind, it is ok to see your hand, say "I have aces" in the chatbox, go all in, and show 88 when everyone else folds...but it is not ok to say "check it down" and then the other player say "ok" and then check it down to knock someone out.Just making sure that I understand your logic here.

[Suited_Up 2]

So just to make sure that I have this straight...In your little mind, it is ok to see your hand, say "I have aces" in the chatbox, go all in, and show 88 when everyone else folds...but it is not ok to say "check it down" and then the other player say "ok" and then check it down to knock someone out.Just making sure that I understand your logic here.

Yes, i'm not colluding with anyone by saying random hands that i might have.I'm pretty sure phil gordon has actually done something similar to pupsta in a tourney on FT.

[Wandigo 1]

Don't they usually disable chat when somebody is all-in? It's always been like that at the places I've played.

[2bthebest 2]

Don't they usually disable chat when somebody is all-in? It's always been like that at the places I've played.

Some do some dontStars blocks itFCP/All pokerroom skins you can still chat

[doublemeup 0]

I was in a FT tourney yesterday and all in and I guy typed in the chat box "you want action?" I thought "sheiky, hello, shiek, I said you want action" was coming next. He called with A10 vs. AQ and spiked a 10 and I was gone.

[PMJackson21 0]

Yes, i'm not colluding with anyone by saying random hands that i might have.I'm pretty sure phil gordon has actually done something similar to pupsta in a tourney on FT.

Phil was wrong if he did. It generally comes down to the cardroom, but a lot of online sites have rules against it. I know Paradise and Party for sure, but FTP's rules are so out of left field, they might allow it.As far as in a live tourney, generally TDA rule 35 applies:35. Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities is not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play. A penalty may be given, meaning it would be up to the TD. For an example of this, there is a loooong RGP thread authored by Mike Sexton questioning Paul Phillips actions at one of the WPT events a few years back vs Mel Judah:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gamblin...c88f1b1eb80f19cAlso, there was a situation in a WSOP event within the last few years, where TJ gets all riled up abuot someone discussing their hand while play was still live. I can't recall exactly what event, but he tells the guy he should be penalized.Generally discussing your hand is _not_ allowed. Not sure where you guys were playing though, so it would be up to the online poker room.

[2bthebest 2]

Phil was wrong if he did. It generally comes down to the cardroom, but a lot of online sites have rules against it. I know Paradise and Party for sure, but FTP's rules are so out of left field, they might allow it.As far as in a live tourney, generally TDA rule 35 applies:35. Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities is not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play. A penalty may be given, meaning it would be up to the TD. For an example of this, there is a loooong RGP thread authored by Mike Sexton questioning Paul Phillips actions at one of the WPT events a few years back vs Mel Judah:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gamblin...c88f1b1eb80f19cAlso, there was a situation in a WSOP event within the last few years, where TJ gets all riled up abuot someone discussing their hand while play was still live. I can't recall exactly what event, but he tells the guy he should be penalized.Generally discussing your hand is _not_ allowed. Not sure where you guys were playing though, so it would be up to the online poker room.

Don't forget between Matusow and Sheiky in last years WSOP as well, both got sent to the rail.

[Suited_Up 2]

Patrick, I don't know if it's the same thing though.I was seriously saying "I have AA" every hand, and then pushing with whatever it is I had, cause I was getting short and it was a freeroll. It's not like I pushed, and then talked about a hand, I was doing it repeatedly. And who would believe me anwyay? Since when do you trust what someone says in the chat?And as far as what Phil did, I can't remember what it was, but I know he somehow used the chat to his advantage, but I forget what happened. Maybe lance will come clear it up, I just know it was lame, lol.

[PMJackson21 0]

Patrick, I don't know if it's the same thing though.I was seriously saying "I have AA" every hand, and then pushing with whatever it is I had, cause I was getting short and it was a freeroll. It's not like I pushed, and then talked about a hand, I was doing it repeatedly. And who would believe me anwyay? Since when do you trust what someone says in the chat?And as far as what Phil did, I can't remember what it was, but I know he somehow used the chat to his advantage, but I forget what happened. Maybe lance will come clear it up, I just know it was lame, lol.

Yeah...I used be under the impression that you could lie about your hand, but could not tell the truth since that would be the equivalent of showing your cards, but the TDA rule applies to any sort of discussion regarding the hand.The OPR's are actually more strict about this then cardrooms, or at least more established. No sort of chat is allowd like that on certain sites, while the B&M community was mroe slow to move in that direction, saying that it was taking away from the people aspect of the game.In a cash game, the rules are a bit different depending on the card room.Ha, it was a freeroll? Not sure if the TDA covers freerolls. ;-)

[Pupsta 0]

phil gordon did it to me.in a tourney, he raised on the button and said "i have J9 sooted"...blinds folded, he shows J9h. next hand, i have A6h in the bb, a few limpers. flop comes A25, i bet out 100 (blinds 15/30), phil raises to 400, folds to me, i ask phil if he'll give me the same courtesy..."i have 23, going for the straight"....i push, he calls with a set of ducks, tells me "like i say in my little book, don't go broke with one pair" and the entire table gets a kick out of it.

[Bizzle 0]

Patrick, I don't know if it's the same thing though.

Yes, yes it is.

I was seriously saying "I have AA" every hand, and then pushing with whatever it is I had, cause I was getting short and it was a freeroll. It's not like I pushed, and then talked about a hand, I was doing it repeatedly. And who would believe me anwyay? Since when do you trust what someone says in the chat?

If by every hand, you mean you had done it once prior to this, and showed AA, then yes, you had done it every hand.Why would someone trust you? Because as a long time poster, and seemingly a nice guy, you had a decent reputation that you wouldn't do something shady. Now, I know better.

And as far as what Phil did, I can't remember what it was, but I know he somehow used the chat to his advantage, but I forget what happened. Maybe lance will come clear it up, I just know it was lame, lol.

The best part about this was...what happened to Pup was in a long thread about it, posted on the main board. It happened the Sunday just before this tourney and yet you still pulled crap like this. If FCP saved chat in the HH, I would have copied and pasted instantly, but I was too pissed off at the time to think that far ahead.Once again, your explanations ring hollow and dull.

[Suited_Up 2]

Yeah...I used be under the impression that you could lie about your hand, but could not tell the truth since that would be the equivalent of showing your cards, but the TDA rule applies to any sort of discussion regarding the hand.The OPR's are actually more strict about this then cardrooms, or at least more established. No sort of chat is allowd like that on certain sites, while the B&M community was mroe slow to move in that direction, saying that it was taking away from the people aspect of the game.In a cash game, the rules are a bit different depending on the card room.Ha, it was a freeroll? Not sure if the TDA covers freerolls. ;-)

I think it was one of the protege freerolls.And that's what I thought too... but seriously, when it's just a bunch of fcp'ers... i'm more liable to goof off like that, whether the rules say so or not.But I was under the same impression you had been.

Yes, yes it is.If by every hand, you mean you had done it once prior to this, and showed AA, then yes, you had done it every hand.Why would someone trust you? Because as a long time poster, and seemingly a nice guy, you had a decent reputation that you wouldn't do something shady. Now, I know better.The best part about this was...what happened to Pup was in a long thread about it, posted on the main board. It happened the Sunday just before this tourney and yet you still pulled crap like this. If FCP saved chat in the HH, I would have copied and pasted instantly, but I was too pissed off at the time to think that far ahead.Once again, your explanations ring hollow and dull.

I wasn't PULLING CRAP.... I was just messing around because I knew that if I got any type of hand, I was pushing.I had done it a few times other than those 2 hands too, maybe you didn't pay attention cause your cards weren't worth caring... You're taking this way too personally... It was not intended to be shady, I thought it was pretty clear that I was messing around... obviously I can't have aces every time.. but occasionally I do get them too. Seriously, relax about it... it was a freeroll.