shake that arse (1/2)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Bodog 1/2 NLHE (9-handed)MP2 $213CO $168Cobalt $193BB $191Cobalt is button w/ 8 7 . Only third hand at the table, so no real reads.Pre-flop:1 fold, UTG+1 calls, BB checksFlop ($12): 9 T J (6 players)SB checks, BB bets $10Turn ($92): 3 (4 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $20...CO has ~$100 left.I'll wait for comments before I go through my reasoning.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Bodog 1/2 NLHE (9-handed)MP2 $213CO $168Cobalt $193BB $191Cobalt is button w/ 8 7 . Only third hand at the table' date=' so no real reads.[b']Pre-flop[/b]:1 fold, UTG+1 calls, BB checksFlop ($12): 9 T J (6 players)SB checks, BB bets $10I'm not sure where I'm at here.

Turn ($92): 3 (4 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $20Nobody yet has demonstrated an especially strong desire to protect his hand here on the turn. I think you're up against some mix of these hands:

• [*]A pair and a straight draw (e.g., JQ)[*]Two pair (e.g., JT)[*]TPTK (AJ)[*]K:club: Q:club: [*]K8 from a blind
  • I'm not too worried about a set with no preflop raise.

CO has ~$100 left.I'll wait for comments before I go through my reasoning.

I think you're most likely ahead here. I think you priced out your favorite customers (e.g., two pair), though. My play is to raise to $75 and leave us some room to work on the river.I'd consider a flat call as well, if I thought I might be in for a check-raise. We don't have any reads, so that's tough to predict.I'd consider us committed to the pot after the 100 hundred goes in. If KQ check-raises us for another hundred, we're getting 4:1 for our flush draw. I'd like to keep a meaningful raise in reserve for the river, but I'm not strongly opposed to your play. Raising the turn like you did puts a straight draw to a decision.

[spikymarv99 0]

Bodog 1/2 NLHE (9-handed)MP2 $213CO $168Cobalt $193BB $191Cobalt is button w/ 8 7 . Only third hand at the table, so no real reads.Pre-flop:1 fold, UTG+1 calls, BB checksFlop ($12): 9 T J (6 players)SB checks, BB bets $10Turn ($92): 3 (4 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $20...CO has ~$100 left.I'll wait for comments before I go through my reasoning.

Pre-flop: like the call obviously; it plays well multi way in no-limitFlop: like the play... the min raise by cut-off is good for you to thin out the field.Turn: time to drop the hammer on the table.... I would raise lower so long shot draws will still call.... prob bump it to 80 or so. I think I understand ur reasoning though....

[CobaltBlue 662]

I hate having the butt end of straights...especially ones like this where KQ is somewhat likely. On the flop, I can't quite tell what's up, so I want to see how everyone reacts on the next street and see if I can pick up a safe card. There are a lot of cards that can come off that essentially destroy the hand. Any king, any queen, any jack, any ten, any nine, or any eight. That's around 20 cards. Once one of those doesn't come off, like you said...I can lay down the hammer. I'm not sure that I agree with betting less on the turn with the pot still so multiway and still so many cards that can come on the river to hurt my hand.Anyway, the other two folded, CO moved all-in. Thoughts of KQ flashed in my head, but I called. Fortunately, he flipped over QQ and the river bricked.

[petersun 0]

Congrats on the good fortune. With that many players in, I'm surprised nobody had KQ. Clearly, the guy with QQ was dumb for letting so many players limp in on him.I would have thinned the field a bit more on the flop (raise to 3o or 40). However, that would have triggered an all in by the QQ guy I'm guessing.I liked the way you played it, and it's nice that you have outs against a higher straight. You got the turn you wanted.

[Mercury69 3]

Betting it all on the idiot end of a str8 is touch and go. Glad it worked out for ya this time, but I'd be wary, if I wuz you. Lotsa people like connected paint.

[jimmybaker04 0]

Bodog 1/2 NLHE (9-handed)MP2 $213CO $168Cobalt $193BB $191Cobalt is button w/ 8 7 . Only third hand at the table' date=' so no real reads.[b']Pre-flop[/b]:1 fold, UTG+1 calls, BB checksFlop ($12): 9 T J (6 players)SB checks, BB bets $10I'm not sure where I'm at here.

Turn ($92): 3 (4 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $20Nobody yet has demonstrated an especially strong desire to protect his hand here on the turn. I think you're up against some mix of these hands:

• [*]A pair and a straight draw (e.g., JQ)[*]Two pair (e.g., JT)[*]TPTK (AJ)[*]K:club: Q:club: [*]K8 from a blind

This seams really contradicting to me. "Nobody demonstrated an especially strong desire to protect his hand here on the turn." Agreed. But then how are you listing two pair as a possible holding? Two pair must protect against this extremely daunting board.

[jimmybaker04 0]

NH by the way. I think you played it right, although when you got re-raised all-in I would have been terrified of KQ, but we are so committed it is an definite call anyway.

[blakheart 3]

nice play.The idiot end of straights are tough to play. The flop is fine, let others bet it. Once the turn comes and nobody ammounces they want the pot you are most likely ahead. I like the big bet, I would want to take it down right there, or get a call from someone getting bad odds, ie OESD. while KQ is possible on a limped board, by the turn he would have most likely made some noise unless he is real disciplined. Good use of your position in this hand, it let you see what was happening on a fairly scary flop.

[macphec 0]

I can recall right away 2 stacks I lost with 87 flopping the smae straight.With that much action on the flop I would be more inclined to put in a big flop reraise and fold to a push.

[David_Nicoson 1]

This seams really contradicting to me.  "Nobody demonstrated an especially strong desire to protect his hand here on the turn."  Agreed.  But then how are you listing two pair as a possible holding?  Two pair must protect against this extremely daunting board.

Maybe he's a pansy? You're right; if anyone has two pair he's playing it pretty slow. His betting doesn't tell us exactly what he has, but it does give us a clue how he feels about his holding, i.e., not very confident.

[ForKeeps 0]

I can recall right away 2 stacks I lost with 87 flopping the smae straight.With that much action on the flop I would be more inclined to put in a big flop reraise and fold to a push.

I agree. I think I'm ahead here on the flop even after the min-raise, because nobody good is only min-raising here with the nuts (almost always flat-calling or betting half the pot). If I have the nuts on the flop, there is no danger from anything except a set catching a boat on the turn or river, and you have a negative ~EV just checking to them or betting small, hoping they don't catch, as they will never pay you off. I'm raising not just because I think I'm ahead but because I specifically am afraid of a hand like QQ or an AQ, etc. I'm also not sure about your bet on the turn, b/c if I read it right, you raised over the size of the pot $120 into an $80 pot. Again, unless we have a donkey-style call/raise here with QQ or AQ, if we're getting called/raised then we hate life, as nobody with worse than a KQ should call us here.If the pot is $80 and raise my $20 to say $80 to go, I might be more inclined to chase, but that's OK with you as I'm drawing slim. $120, I'm getting the cen****sored out of there, as any straight or flush made on the river kills me. Cobalt, from your other posts I think you're a really good player and I'm sure there's some stuff I haven't considered that you may explain later. Nh to take a stack from a donk.

[CobaltBlue 662]

With that much action on the flop I would be more inclined to put in a big flop reraise and fold to a push.

I agree. I think I'm ahead here on the flop even after the min-raise' date=' because nobody good is only min-raising here with the nuts (almost always flat-calling or betting half the pot). If I have the nuts on the flop, there is no danger from anything except a set catching a boat on the turn or river, and you have a negative ~EV just checking to them or betting small, hoping they don't catch, as they will never pay you off. I'm raising not just because I think I'm ahead but because I specifically am afraid of a hand like QQ or an AQ, etc. I'm also not sure about your bet on the turn, b/c if I read it right, you raised over the size of the pot $120 into an $80 pot. Again, unless we have a donkey-style call/raise here with QQ or AQ, if we're getting called/raised then we hate life, as nobody with worse than a KQ [i']should[/i] call us here.If the pot is $80 and raise my $20 to say $80 to go, I might be more inclined to chase, but that's OK with you as I'm drawing slim. $120, I'm getting the censored out of there, as any straight or flush made on the river kills me.Yes, we might be ahead on the flop, but we'd really like to see what the BB and MP2 do in light of the min-raise and my call. I'm not particularly slowplaying in this case, and I am scared of plenty of hands. That's exactly why I'm waiting for a safe turn to get all the money in.As for the turn raise, he's bet $20 into $92, making the pot $112. I put in $20 to call. That makes it $132. My raise is then another $100. Against 3 players that liked the flop, they may be drawing slim individually, but against a group, I'm probably facing a significant number of bad river cards. Therefore, I really don't mind taking the pot down or at least getting it heads-up.And, I appreciate the compliment.

[ICrushHomeGames 0]

Nice line, I especially like the big turn raise with the flush draw to fall back on. Loves it