idiots deciding to race off all their money in rings

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

The size of your pre-flop reraise sucks too.

speaking of sucks, theresa locked the thread, and deleted the seal pcitures!! you're right, dutch, we are diffinatly too edgy.

[wannabe 0]

OP is a superdonk... This is one of the worst plays that I see all the time at 2/4 NL... If you don't want to play AK out of position, then fold it.. it's not a crime or anything... call the bet, see a flop.. check/fold, check/raise, bet/fold, or bet/raise accordingly.

[nell789 0]

Hey OP, some people play poker for fun, and to gamble, they aren't intent on avoiding marginal situations. I would think you would know all about that, seeing as how you're the one who's calling all your chips off with AK.

[HurricaneKyle 0]

I agree wholeheartedly with the critics. AK is overvalued in no-limit hold'em cash games. I'd only re-raise if I had a great table image or if the raiser was extremely loose.Don't get me wrong, its a good hand but it is not the third best hand like some people will tell you(this is especially true in cash games).Here is your list1.)AA2.)KK3.)QQ4.)JJ5.)TT6.)AKAnd of course there are times when you'd rather have AK, you just have to know when they are. AK is called "Walking back to Houston" for a reason, because in the olden days, players pushed and ran into AA or KK.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

I agree wholeheartedly with the critics. AK is overvalued in no-limit hold'em cash games. I'd only re-raise if I had a great table image or if the raiser was extremely loose.Don't get me wrong, its a good hand but it is not the third best hand like some people will tell you(this is especially true in cash games).Here is your list1.)AA2.)KK3.)QQ4.)JJ5.)TT6.)AKAnd of course there are times when you'd rather have AK, you just have to know when they are. AK is called "Walking back to Houston" for a reason, because in the olden days, players pushed and ran into AA or KK.

yeah, but these aren't those days any more.. the game's in houston these days, not dallas..

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

I really refuse to understand this type of thinking when it comes to cash games. Silly people.The other night at the casino, a guy from MP at the 1/2 table, pushed for his fully buy in of 100 dollars into a 3 dollar pot. When it folded around, he smiled and turned up AQ. He said, "I knew I had the best hand." Anyway, a little advice.One..Don't ever take it to 19 x BB with AK unless you're trying to isolate some tard into making a terrible play with AQ or AJ--in this case, the tard wasn't the player with TT.Two..Don't play 2/4 if this move is typical of your play.Three..Don't even make this move with JJ.Four..TP/MM.

[nell789 0]

I really refuse to understand this type of thinking when it comes to cash games. Silly people.The other night at the casino, a guy from MP at the 1/2 table, pushed for his fully buy in of 100 dollars into a 3 dollar pot. When it folded around, he smiled and turned up AQ. He said, "I knew I had the best hand." Anyway, a little advice.One..Don't ever take it to 19 x BB with AK unless you're trying to isolate some tard into making a terrible play with AQ or AJ--in this case, the tard wasn't the player with TT.Two..Don't play 2/4 if this move is typical of your play.Three..Don't even make this move with JJ.Four..TP/GM.

[alf13 0]

Gawd.....the play of that AK is pretty bad....It looks like a final table MTT hand....and even then...it is bad...."WOW..I GOT AK!!! I'M RICH BEOTCH!!!!...OH...wait a minute...this Donkey called me with a pair of Tens?" "Don't you know that AK is better than a pair?....UH..What? it isn't?"Nevermind that the Tens is the best hand.....Pretty bad post for the OP....

[case ace 0]

ak reviewpush = awesomecall = stupidyou didn't reraise enough and called too much, and you should have seen his push and your bad call before you raise that little.stop getting you panties in a bunch. you we're both short stacked. play 1/2 with that much and you'll at least get to see a flop.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

ak reviewpush = beter than calling, barely..call = stupidyou didn't reraise enough and called too much, and you should have seen his push and your bad call before you raise that little.stop getting you panties in a bunch. you we're both short stacked.  play 1/2 with that much and you'll at least get to see a flop.

FYP.The OP fails to realize, if he smooth calls the raise, he loses at most, 1/4 of his stack after folding the flop. Why get it all in preflop with AK here?

[PAYforUSC 0]

[pokerplayer24 0]

If you're going to play 2/4 nl please sit with 400. If you're going to sit with around 200 go play 1/2 nl.

[jayboogie 0]

There's nothing wrong with pushing with AK, most of the power in AK is it's ability to pick up dead money in the pot from fold equity. Your able to make others fold without a showdown most of the time when you move in or make a substantial raise. Calling all-ins with Ak usually sucks unless situation dictates otherwise such as shortstacks moving in, desperate maniac bluffer moving in and etc.AK is mostly a pre-flop hand in NL, it doesn't perform very well as a post-flop hand given that you will usually get no action when you hit an A or K and you will usually miss the flop as well.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

There's nothing wrong with pushing with AK, most of the power in AK is it's ability to pick up dead money in the pot from fold equity. Your able to make others fold without a showdown most of the time when you move in or make a substantial raise. Calling all-ins with Ak usually sucks unless situation dictates otherwise such as shortstacks moving in, desperate maniac bluffer moving in and etc.AK is mostly a pre-flop hand in NL, it doesn't perform very well as a post-flop hand given that you will usually get no action when you hit an A or K and you will usually miss the flop as well.

this is so wrong I can't believe it ... AK is a GREaT post flop hand.. you just have to know how to play it, both preflop and post.. if you haven't scared off AJ, and AQ with over betting preflop, you can make alot of money with this hand. AK makes most of it's money from aces with kicker problems.

[Guest]

I loveit when people say nlh is for suckers. these people may not be very skilled at no limit but that doesnt mean nlh sucks it just means you suck at nlh. its because in nlh you have to be able to lay hands down and in limit you can just pay off two more bets. takes much more skill to play in nlh ring game.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

I loveit when people say nlh is for suckers. these people may not be very skilled at no limit but that doesnt mean nlh sucks it just means you suck at nlh. its because in nlh you have to be able to lay hands down and in limit you can just pay off two more bets. takes much more skill to play in nlh ring game.

thanks for those pearls

[digitalmonkey 929]

"That's right Mike, AK is a hand you should date, but definitely never marry."

[Diabolical 0]

hahahahahahaha......................... Dude I understand your gripe.These kids think a major move in NL is to push all in. If you payed attention to what DN says,............ you would know that he thinks the "all in" move is a very "rookie" kind of move. You have to realize that most on this site fit that profile. They watch too much TV and like AK or any pocket pair and want to "gamble it up"

[Guest]

your welcome i usually dont post lame suff like that(or post at all for that matter) but after about a towday discussion with my roomates( we play poker seriously only one of us has a real job) on this subject i saw this this and then it just struck a nerve sorry about the lame post.Both of roomates play limit live and online while i strictly play nlh online because it is played so horrible itsl like they just give money to you. and live i play mainly nlh but some middle limit when its shorthanded like 2-3 am during the week. I mean my hourly rate is just bananas compared to theirs especially online but they insit limit takes more skill to play which in my opion is just insane.sorry for the rant just frustrated with thes conversation.

[jayboogie 0]

There's nothing wrong with pushing with AK, most of the power in AK is it's ability to pick up dead money in the pot from fold equity. Your able to make others fold without a showdown most of the time when you move in or make a substantial raise. Calling all-ins with Ak usually sucks unless situation dictates otherwise such as shortstacks moving in, desperate maniac bluffer moving in and etc.AK is mostly a pre-flop hand in NL, it doesn't perform very well as a post-flop hand given that you will usually get no action when you hit an A or K and you will usually miss the flop as well.

this is so wrong I can't believe it ... AK is a GREaT post flop hand.. you just have to know how to play it, both preflop and post.. if you haven't scared off AJ, and AQ with over betting preflop, you can make alot of money with this hand. AK makes most of it's money from aces with kicker problems.

Unless you constantly find yourself in situations where your up against AQ and AJ, which you'd need to be extremely lucky to do, I would not believe this to be the case. Your reasoning for AK being a great post flop hand is flawed. It's the same as saying you make the most money with 55 as a hand when you hit a set when your opponent has an overpair. Obviously you're going to make money from AK postflop when you both flop an Ace and your opponent has a worst kicker, that simply doesn't happen as much as you'd think. When you're getting heavy action on a board where you have connected with AK, you're usually in bad shape.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

There's nothing wrong with pushing with AK, most of the power in AK is it's ability to pick up dead money in the pot from fold equity. Your able to make others fold without a showdown most of the time when you move in or make a substantial raise. Calling all-ins with Ak usually sucks unless situation dictates otherwise such as shortstacks moving in, desperate maniac bluffer moving in and etc.AK is mostly a pre-flop hand in NL, it doesn't perform very well as a post-flop hand given that you will usually get no action when you hit an A or K and you will usually miss the flop as well.

In regards to the above, bolded portions..1.) I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with this. There is plenty wrong. When UTG+2 makes it 5x BB, we have absolutely no reason to come over the top for 55 more. There's a reason AK is called "nut no pair". What's calling this monstrosity of a raise? AQ, AJ, A10, KQ? We've basically guaranteed, that against all but the "donkiest" of players, that we're going to flip coins for our stacks. 2.) You can do this with any two cards, naturally, I think AK's greatest strength comes from picking up smallish pots with reasonable raises pre-flop and allowing others to overplay AQ and AJ--not in getting it heads up for our whole stacks without seeing a flop.3.) I agree with this to some extent. I still just smooth call this preflop, bet/fold or check/fold. Getting this in preflop, the absolute best, we can hope for is a coinflip. This is my point; When you put out a bet, say, 3-5 x BB, you allow other people to over play KQ, KJ, AQ, AJ and you pick up a small/medium pot that way. This isn't a tournament, you know? It's the long haul. Overplaing AK preflop over the long haul is just asking to get into trouble.

[mrdannyg 274]

no need to go gunblazing big pots with AK in a cash game. donkeys can't get away from any type of hand. save that for AA & KK when you have the big edge. you are basically risking your whole stack to win 15 or go in as a 54-46% underdog. i don't care what anyone says but 54-46 is NOT A COINFLIP! smooth call and try to outplay him in a smallpot if you miss.

skipped rest of results, because this really says it all.just because vince van patten calls it a coinflip does not mean it has a 50/50 outcome.i'll take a 54/46 advantage anyday.pros raise/call all-in with AK on TV all the time since it is usually near the end of a tournament, with high blinds, and both their moves and their opponent's moves are related to the blind sizes, so AK is often either a coinflip or a dominating hand. in a cash game, it is almost always on the worse end of a coinflip or dominated.and remember, if you're the sucker with AK in a "coinflip" you're behind, not even-money. i don't play NL cash games because i have the tendency to overplay AK/AQ. i suggest the same.

[jayboogie 0]

There's nothing wrong with pushing with AK, most of the power in AK is it's ability to pick up dead money in the pot from fold equity. Your able to make others fold without a showdown most of the time when you move in or make a substantial raise. Calling all-ins with Ak usually sucks unless situation dictates otherwise such as shortstacks moving in, desperate maniac bluffer moving in and etc.AK is mostly a pre-flop hand in NL, it doesn't perform very well as a post-flop hand given that you will usually get no action when you hit an A or K and you will usually miss the flop as well.

In regards to the above, bolded portions..1.) I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with this. There is plenty wrong. When UTG+2 makes it 5x BB, we have absolutely no reason to come over the top for 55 more. There's a reason AK is called "nut no pair". What's calling this monstrosity of a raise? AQ, AJ, A10, KQ? We've basically guaranteed, that against all but the "donkiest" of players, that we're going to flip coins for our stacks. 2.) You can do this with any two cards, naturally, I think AK's greatest strength comes from picking up smallish pots with reasonable raises pre-flop and allowing others to overplay AQ and AJ--not in getting it heads up for our whole stacks without seeing a flop.3.) I agree with this to some extent. I still just smooth call this preflop, bet/fold or check/fold. Getting this in preflop, the absolute best, we can hope for is a coinflip. This is my point; When you put out a bet, say, 3-5 x BB, you allow other people to over play KQ, KJ, AQ, AJ and you pick up a small/medium pot that way. This isn't a tournament, you know? It's the long haul. Overplaing AK preflop over the long haul is just asking to get into trouble.

I'm not saying this guy played his hand well, because clearly he didn't. What I am saying is that AK's strength is fold equity and the times to play it strong are when you feel your opponent is not that strong and you want to put them to the test and hopefully get them to lay down a hand. You obviously should not be going to war with it against someone incapable of laying down a hand such as 66.The other ideal situation for AK is of course to be up against AQ, AJ and etc and to have an Ace flop, however, this doesn't make happen all that often.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

I'm not saying this guy played his hand well, because clearly he didn't. What I am saying is that AK's strength is fold equity and the times to play it strong are when you feel your opponent is not that strong and you want to put them to the test and hopefully get them to lay down a hand. You obviously should not be going to war with it against someone incapable of laying down a hand such as 66.The other ideal situation for AK is of course to be up against AQ, AJ and etc and to have an Ace flop, however, this doesn't make happen all that often.

Fair enough, I suppose we're not all that far off. I guess I just don't know how to read an early position raise on line..Some people raise with A2 from UTG, some people fold 99. Oh well.

[Socrates 0]

Looks to me as someone overplayed AK. You were behind the whole way - what exactly are you complaining about? I love new players who only know NL tourney and go play cash games.