ek703 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 My previous post is not indicative of my belief that either druff or neverwin are accurate or correct in any statements they make, especially those concerning DN. I believe that he is the better player in most, if not, all games against either one of these two. i was merely hoping to point out the lunacy in the statement concerning the idea that we should not question DN's moves. There is a difference between questioning criticizing. Link to post Share on other sites
lboarts 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 as an aside, re: the previous posterwhy do people feel the need to "quote" the originalpost in their replies??we've all read it already, thus why we are replying to it.thank youIt's a way to let people know which post in this thread I'm responding to. If you notice the bold in the quote, you'll see I was responding to that particular line. Stick around, you'll catch on eventually.you annyoing little fuck. Christ. You delete the other useless parts that you're not responding to when you quote the original.you stick around...you'll catch on eventually.I really hate the cocky smartass little pricks who think they are the kind of the world when they reall know jack shit.This was a simple exchange between bdc30 and myself. Sticking your nose into our little back and forth makes you the annoying little ****. Why don't you get back on topic and stop wasting your time pretending to be the big bad ass you think you are. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 If anyone's interested, I made a few posts on this thread at NWP. If I didn't have to go to lunch I would have some more fun with them. Link to post Share on other sites
guinevar 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 If anyone's interested, I made a few posts on this thread at NWP. If I didn't have to go to lunch I would have some more fun with them.This should shut them up. Link to post Share on other sites
fuzzyD 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 gall.asinine.If you're going to use it, you might as well know how to spell it. Link to post Share on other sites
elkang 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I think it is appropriate to know something about a subject before mouthing off. Todd "Dan Druff" Witteles has earned that right online in play and his forums, and should have been WSOP Player of the Year - based on the original flawed point system (which I've complained about). Here's the original thread for context. Personally, I think it is irresponsible to post an potentially inflammatory post without a link to context. But, some of the posters here show even less judgement.That said I don't agree with some of Todd's points but he could very well be right. No one knows for sure except the poker gods and DN. And even he might not know. I certainly believe in my observation, that he is overextended and not singularly focused as he was last year. That and luck makes a difference. IMO, with being one of the biggest targets, Daniel was not prepared for the new and different 2005 WSOP. Link to post Share on other sites
Incubus77546 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 The guy's name is Todd Witteles and if you've seen the coverage movies of him he seemed to brag and interviewed himself. Made me want Rich Belski back... and I hate Rich Belski! Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 NWP who? Whats a neverewin? And if you got Dan druff you should use Head n Shoulders. *scratch *scratch Link to post Share on other sites
guinevar 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 NWP who? Whats a neverewin? And if you got Dan druff you should use Head n Shoulders. *scratch *scratchMy joke. You stole.See page 1. Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 NWP who? Whats a neverewin? And if you got Dan druff you should use Head n Shoulders. *scratch *scratchMy joke. You stole.See page 1.Lmao....that was pretty close. :lol:p.s. I only steal souls.edited for clarity. i.e your post was not there when I read the thread. Link to post Share on other sites
nealdo17 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Author Share Posted July 28, 2005 Elkang,I dont know why you are hanging me out to dry here. I did post the original post for context on the first page, although not in the OP. Once people started asking questions I posted it so there werent any descrepencies. If you read my posts, I commented that I do think he may have been right about some of the things he said, it was the tone and certain things he picked on that I disagreed with. The last comment of his thread was the most bothersome to me. I dont think I have done anything irresponsible in this post whatsoever. I simply put up information, yes there are posters who will flame nonetheless, but should that prevent me from posting information. If I do that, the terrorists win!(sw) Link to post Share on other sites
SuM827 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I'm surprised all of you guys are so quick to agree with this guy's post. Daniel had a bad month. I guess everything he did in the last year before the WSOP doesn't count? You don't just "forget" how to play poker in 4 months. It seemed like the guy made the final table at every other NL tourney he entered, and now he's off his game because of a bad month? You know, anyone who plays for a living will have around one losing month a year. This year it just happened to be during the WSOP for DN. And stop with the Hellmuth comparisons. Hellmuth was never the all-around player that DN is, and never played at the limits that DN does. He's a good tourney player, and when his game went south it did so over a period of like 2-3 years. Not 4 months. Link to post Share on other sites
NicksDad1970 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I won't quote cause I'm scared...But in a message board it's a free for all. If you have a tiff between two people and you want to keep it between two people then you should exchange PM's. Link to post Share on other sites
lboarts 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I'd rather just get back on topic. Peace, sap.On second thought, not this topic. It pissed me off so I'm done with it. I registered on here for my enjoyment, and to exchange ideas and discussions related to poker, and hopefully learn something along the way. I'll admit its been tough finding a meaningful thread to discuss on here the past couple days, hopefully that'll turn around. Link to post Share on other sites
lew189 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 with sum827. Link to post Share on other sites
iveyfan30 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I'm surprised all of you guys are so quick to agree with this guy's post. Daniel had a bad month. I guess everything he did in the last year before the WSOP doesn't count? You don't just "forget" how to play poker in 4 months. It seemed like the guy made the final table at every other NL tourney he entered, and now he's off his game because of a bad month? You know, anyone who plays for a living will have around one losing month a year. This year it just happened to be during the WSOP for DN. And stop with the Hellmuth comparisons. Hellmuth was never the all-around player that DN is, and never played at the limits that DN does. He's a good tourney player, and when his game went south it did so over a period of like 2-3 years. Not 4 months.im the one that referenced hellmuth in my post, so i assume this is meant for me..if you read my post, i never compared dn's play to hellmuths , i was saying dn seems to be over extended much in the same fashion hellmuth was...i know dn is an all around better player than phil, that wasnt in question...im not talking so much about this years wsop, seems like dn has been "struggling" a bit getting focused on playing..and ppl are saying its cause he doing so many poker related things while not playing enough actual poker...are they right? im saying its a good possibility, but what do i know... Link to post Share on other sites
nealdo17 0 Posted July 28, 2005 Author Share Posted July 28, 2005 im the one that referenced hellmuth in my post' date=' so i assume this is meant for me..if you read my post, i never compared dn's play to hellmuths , i was saying dn seems to be over extended much in the same fashion hellmuth was...i know dn is an all around better player than phil, that wasnt in question...im not talking so much about this years wsop, seems like dn has been "struggling" a bit getting focused on playing..and ppl are saying its cause he doing so many poker related things while not playing enough actual poker...are they right? im saying its a good possibility, but what do i know...[/quoteThey werent talking about you. If you link the original post on NWP two of the guys there say he is becoming Hellmuth.'] Link to post Share on other sites
ugaistheteam 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Im really not into all this FCP vs NWP thing. Poker is a solo act. As Im sure yall know, I post alot at NWP. I didnt come here to throw taunts or argue. I came for one reason. I came to stick up for Druff. Ive been posting on NWP since Jan. Its really been fun. Druff takes his own time to give his advice to everyone that asks him. Druff is Neverwinpoker. Dustin, the namesake doesnt take the time to even think about the site. Druff takes his time with a group of guys that love poker. The same as DN. He has opinion. The same as DN. I look forward to sunday night. Lets please not turn this tourney into a waste of time with name calling and childish actions. Good luck at the tables.......UGA Link to post Share on other sites
PAYforUSC 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 This was on the NWP forum and written by Dan Druff some of you know, Daniel was in my 3k limit tournament. Any observer seeing DN's 70k stack in the middle stages of the first day (2nd highest stack at that point was like 30k), and seeing my below-average stack at the same time, would find it shocking to hear that DN would finish 22nd and I would finish 1st. Now, despite DN making the 2nd day, he was never once at my table. In fact, other than a few short sessions of Stars 100-200, I have never played with Daniel in my life. HOWEVER... From what I hear, Daniel should be wearing my bracelet -- or at least he should have had a shot at it. He had such a dominating stack in the middle stages of the 1st day that he should have cruised into the final table. I am aware of the fact that he apparently suffered some ugly, ugly beats, but I have been told that overaggressive play was the primary reason for the demise of his lead. Some of you don't play limit tournaments. Given that I made 3rd and 1st place in the two I've played, I came to realize something. There's no excuse for chunking off a big lead in a limit tournament. It's not like NL, where one hand can completely change your fortune. I'm not saying that you can build a lead and play no hands. I'm not saying that a few big hands can't cripple you. However, I'm saying that building an immense lead upon the field and not even coming CLOSE to the final table probably indicates a mistake in your play. After Daniel busted, I remarked to one of my remaining opponents that I was surprised he let his giant stack slip away so quickly. "I don't understand it," I said. The guy replied, "If you saw how he won the money in the first place, you'd understand it." Again, I didn't get to actually SEE any of Daniel's hands, given that I didn't play with him. It's possible that only bad cards were responsible for him losing, but others who played with him thought differently. I have no doubt that Daniel knows how to correctly play in a limit tournament. His tournament record overall is certainly one of the best in recent poker history. I am not looking down upon him, nor do I think that I'm a better player than he is. In fact, I think he probably has one of the most "complete" games of poker players today. However, I think Daniel has indeed lost some focus. I think that the fame, media attention, and endorsements have taken him off his game somewhat. The 500k matches with Greenstein are also probably taking their toll. Those matches were probably partially to blame for DN's poor showing this WSOP. If I had to fathom a guess, I'd say that DN came into the WSOP 3k event with reckless abandon. He felt a combination of punch drunk (between the struggles in the WSOP and struggles against Barry) and indifference. After all, when you are playing heads-up for 500k, why care about a measly 3k tourament? He played wildly, hit every hand, and suddenly found himself with a gigantic stack. At that point, he probably felt invincible, and by the time he brought himself back down to reality, his chips were almost gone. This was actually a good thing for me. The last person I'd want to face heads up for a bracelet would have been Negreanu. I can assure you that I was happy to hear that he fell out of the tournament -- even though I expected it, given the fact that he came into day #2 with the worst stack. As a one-time fan of Negreanu, I hope he starts to focus on poker again, and less upon writing about his shopping trips in his blog.Why dod DD post his opinion of DN at all? Was it in response to a question he was asked, or did he just start sounding off? If it was the latter, then DD can STFU!!A one-time fan? Is he implying he is no longer a DN fan, because of his wsop performance? Sounds like it to me.Hey DD, STFU!!LMOA!!! Link to post Share on other sites
emineric 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 But I think his post was probably dead-on. Tournament poker and cash games just aren't number one on DN's list right now. And there is nothing wrong with that. am i missing something, is there another way to play poker besides a tournament or cash game? you could have made that sentence shorter and more to the point by simply saying: playing poker is not number one on DN's list right now. Link to post Share on other sites
emineric 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 This guy Druff comes off like an hollier than thou A-hole..We know that Daniel mailed it in this year at the WSOP....he had alot to do....but he will be back......Danny N will realize that tourney success equals more endorsements and more outside income.....I would look for a blockbuster performance next year..... I agree with Alf- I don't like this guys tone. That's like my wife explaining exactly why I was no good in bed for a week when I worked 60 hours and my in laws are coming next week- occasionally, the mind is elsewhere. Occasionally, when I don't feel like knocking it out- I just mail it in baaayybbeee.DN journal entry:"I don't know if it's just me, but nothing gets me more pumped up for a tournament than watching Rocky. I just finished Rocky I where a beat down Rocky Balboa gave it everything he had trying to prove to himself, Mickey, Adrian, and the rest of the world, that he could go the distance.Tomorrow is Round 1 for me and I'm ready to come out throwing jab after jab, giving it everything I have. The tough part is actually trying to get to sleep as I'm way too excited right now!This tournament means so much to me this year. So much more so than last year. Last year I had such a great series that by the main event I had little to prove. This year, I have a TON to prove."sound like a guy who was just mailing it in, baby? Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Is this guys name actually Dan Druff?I was so sure that it was a joke article, until everyone started critiquing it as if it were real. Link to post Share on other sites
emineric 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 http://www.neverwinpoker.com/phpnuke/html/...sc&start=15While some of the stuff they are saying may be true, some of the other crap is ridiculous. Such as one poster says DN is on his way to becoming the next Hellmuth. Give me a break. The thing that censored me off was DDruffs comment about shopping. DN opened his life up to us and this guy has the gaul to comment on his play after he wins a bracelet. Dustin and Druff had great WSOP's, no doubt. It wasnt luck or anything gay like that, they earned it. But, to become all high and mighty after a month when DN has done this for years, give me a break. The bracelet that was won too is nothing compared to DN's WSOP last year. Its just assinine to compare a pretty good month to an unbelievable year.and what the heck is wrong with being the next hellmuth? if you read the next sentence you'd see that i wrote i'd love to be on that road myself, but i'd rather take the path of a phil ivey. a path DN is no longer taking. you just can't with all the endorsements, appearances, interviews, articles, columns, and journals this guy is writing these days. it's too bad because it sure seems DN could be one of the greatest poker players of all time if he put the time and his mind into it. i do however respect his challenge matches. they're for a ton of money, but why is he doing all this? if he is as good as he and the rest of us think he is why not hook his claws into the big bellagio game and have the chance to bust a barry greenstein type of player over time with much less variance. my only guess is he's a paid employee of the wynn casino, and with these challenge matches he can control when and where he plays poker, it's still for a ton of money, and it gives him more time for the business side of things. i'm very interested to see where daniel will be in one year's time. best case scenerio: still doing his challenge matches, winning more than losing. his face plastered all around the poker community with ties in all aspects of poker media. or worst case scenerio, he loses a decent amount of these matches and has to quit playing them. the wynn's biggest game is a 40/80 holdem game(correct?), so he's stuck grinding it out there and back at PS because he's under contract with the wynn. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Im really not into all this FCP vs NWP thing. Poker is a solo act. As Im sure yall know, I post alot at NWP. I didnt come here to throw taunts or argue. I came for one reason. I came to stick up for Druff. Ive been posting on NWP since Jan. Its really been fun. Druff takes his own time to give his advice to everyone that asks him. Druff is Neverwinpoker. Dustin, the namesake doesnt take the time to even think about the site. Druff takes his time with a group of guys that love poker. The same as DN. He has opinion. The same as DN. I look forward to sunday night. Lets please not turn this tourney into a waste of time with name calling and childish actions. Good luck at the tables.......UGAI agree, and I respect druff and his opinion, its his and he is certainly entitled to have one, in fact maybe more than most of us since he actually plays against the people we see on TV and most of us only wish we could play with them. I have no problems with what he said, their his opinions and he's is allowed to have them, and he is right on some points. Time will only tell with these things Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Is this guys name actually Dan Druff?I was so sure that it was a joke article, until everyone started critiquing it as if it were real.no, Dan Druff is just the SN he uses at the sites he plays at, his name is Todd Witteles, its just like how Prahlad Friedman is constantly refered to as Spirit Rock Link to post Share on other sites
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