SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 this piece perfectly articulates something i'd been thinking but wasn't sure how to say. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/opinion/ta-nehisi-coates-whiteness-power.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 most people who voted for trump hear the media bashing the vice president for honoring the flag, not a waste of taxpayer money. the left would be wise to drop this whole issue because trump effectively ended it, quite brilliantly really. It's pretty shocking how out of touch people are with reality. Like, does Dubey really seriously think that Trump voters will look at this any other way? The echo chamber is tight around the left. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 well in his defense the echo chamber is pretty tight on both sides of normal. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I don't think that's accurate because of the almost 100% lock that the left has in all media, news/journalism, and entertainment. Certainly, people can go to only Breitbart for their news, but it's really hard to avoid even the simplest explanation of ideas from the left, where it's obvious, even in this thread, that some people have never been exposed to even simple conservative ideology other than the standard "RACISM! SEXISM! BIGOTRY!" without any care to actually listen or understand. I mean, Dubey seriously thinks that Pence embarrassed himself when he knew exactly what would happen and it was well thought out and executed. Trump is horrible, and I hope that he goes, but man is that dude good at staying on message. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 I don't think that's accurate because of the almost 100% lock that the left has in all media, news/journalism, and entertainment. Certainly, people can go to only Breitbart for their news, but it's really hard to avoid even the simplest explanation of ideas from the left, where it's obvious, even in this thread, that some people have never been exposed to even simple conservative ideology other than the standard "RACISM! SEXISM! BIGOTRY!" without any care to actually listen or understand. I mean, Dubey seriously thinks that Pence embarrassed himself when he knew exactly what would happen and it was well thought out and executed. Trump is horrible, and I hope that he goes, but man is that dude good at staying on message. you obviouly haven't looked at any of the academic studies that are going on at the moment about the polarization and echo chambers. Basically it's severe on both sides but worse with people who support Trump. and your idea of the left dominating the media is kind of funny when Trump has his own propaganda network in Fox which with a few exceptions with some of the hard news types spew things that would make Pravda or Baghdad Bob blush. Pense's actions played to their base but was total bullshit. and seriously, Breitbart as a "conservative" news source ? If you don't want people to think racist when they think conservative maybe don't suggest Breitbart as an example of a conservative news source. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 If you want some conservative sources of information might I suggest the Weekly Standard and the American Enterprise Institute. I both agree and disagree with articles I read on those sites. Neither is a propaganda source for Trump. http://www.weeklystandard.com/ http://www.aei.org/ Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 and seriously, Breitbart as a "conservative" news source ? If you don't want people to think racist when they think conservative maybe don't suggest Breitbart as an example of a conservative news source. That's what's always pushed by the media and you know it. It's hilarious that you are even trying to suggest that the media isn't massively left. And I didn't even mention academia, which is every bit as left as the media. you obviouly haven't looked at any of the academic studies that are going on at the moment about the polarization and echo chambers. Basically it's severe on both sides but worse with people who support Trump. Let's have a link to these multiple studies written and paid for by liberals. I'm ready. Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I don't think that's accurate because of the almost 100% lock that the left has in all media, news/journalism there's an echo chamber enforced opinion if i've ever seen one. (i left out entertainment, because yeah. there is no good conservative entertainment.) Link to post Share on other sites
scuudagouch 15 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Academic studies....LOL that is awesome! Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Brv, stop trying to pretend you don't guzzle the conservative koolaid as hard as the others in this thread. Gtfoh with that echo chamber bullshit, the irony is too much. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 don't talk to brvy like that. only i can talk to brvy like that and i never talk to brvy like that. Link to post Share on other sites
GOCUBSGO 77 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Brvy I wanna hear what you consider to be simple conservative ideology and how you think that applies to what's been happening in this country. You claim the left just shouts racist, bigot, sexist, etc without any justification or attempt to understand, but I strongly suspect that what you consider simple conservative ideology is nothing more than a desire to keep the status quo. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 for the record, I am very familiar with what a reasonable conservative ideology looks like. I live in the conservative hotbed of Canada (yes, go ahead and laugh). We have had a conservative provincial government for most of my adult life. I will most likely vote conservative at the next provincial election (though probably not in the federal, and mostly for lack of a better option). I am lucky enough to live in a country where political ideology isn't an indoctrination process that begins at a young age. Conservatism in the USA has swung way too far to the right, and is no longer what I would consider reasonable, but of course I have no understanding of this because I said Trump and Pence were stupid and therefore I exist in a liberal bubble where I can't even conceive of any other possibility. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 double Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 there's an echo chamber enforced opinion if i've ever seen one. (i left out entertainment, because yeah. there is no good conservative entertainment.) Can you point me to a national news source that's as pro-Trump as it was pro-Obama? Or if you would prefer because Trump is insane, as pro-Bush as it was pro-Clinton? Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Brvy I wanna hear what you consider to be simple conservative ideology and how you think that applies to what's been happening in this country. You claim the left just shouts racist, bigot, sexist, etc without any justification or attempt to understand, but I strongly suspect that what you consider simple conservative ideology is nothing more than a desire to keep the status quo. I think it's a simple conservative ideology to cut spending drastically. I think it's a simple conservative ideology to make sure that only US citizens vote in elections. I think protecting all humans in the US from being murdered, even if they aren't yet born, to be a simple conservative ideology. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I also think Trump and Pence are horrible leaders. ("Stupid" is hyperbolic and untrue, but whatever) Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Brv, stop trying to pretend you don't guzzle the conservative koolaid as hard as the others in this thread. Gtfoh with that echo chamber bullshit, the irony is too much. lol. This is the exact response I expected of someone in the leftist bubble. I don't like Trump at all. I hate most of the GOP leaders. I live in Paul Ryan's district and I have never voted for him. I don't think marriage should be recognized by the state. I am generally not in favor of the death penalty. I never ever ever watch Fox News. You don't know anything about me, but your echo chamber tells you what I am and you judge me because I give myself the label "conservative". Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Can you point me to a national news source that's as pro-Trump as it was pro-Obama? Or if you would prefer because Trump is insane, as pro-Bush as it was pro-Clinton? i honestly have no idea what you're asking me here. foxnews is pro-trump. they still win the ratings battle. if you add the ratings of the left-leaning news sites together, fox still has at least a 35% share in my guesstimation. talk radio is at least 90% right-leaning. all of the conservatives that i personally know get almost 0% exposure to left-leaning news/journalism, because there's so much right-leaning content available, it's easy to avoid. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 You don't know anything about me, but your echo chamber tells you what I am and you judge me because YOU give ME the label "liberal". weird how this works Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Brv, you are right. I don't know anything about you. But you use terms like "leftist bubble", and you speak derisively of the "left". You also rarely contribute, but when you do, it is usually with an "lol" or some other dismissive post towards anyone who you identify as being "left", you like terrible posts by BG and do not post a single thing against anybody identifying as "right". So yes, my perception is that you are just as entrenched in the left/right American vortex as anybody else, regardless of whether you like Trump or of how hard you try to play the thoughtful, aloof conservative role in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 i honestly have no idea what you're asking me here. foxnews is pro-trump. they still win the ratings battle. if you add the ratings of the left-leaning news sites together, fox still has at least a 35% share in my guesstimation. talk radio is at least 90% right-leaning. all of the conservatives that i personally know get almost 0% exposure to left-leaning news/journalism, because there's so much right-leaning content available, it's easy to avoid. You make a fair point about radio. I forgot radio still existed. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 Excellent article that just came across my timeline about what has been discussed above. What if the right-wing media wins? Conservative critics of the press want more than just a louder voice. They want The New York Times and The Washington Post to go away. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 You make a fair point about radio. I forgot radio still existed. Sinclair Broadcasting who own more local TV stations than anybody and who force Conservative news and commentary on local TV broadcasts. https://www.vox.com/2017/5/15/15598270/sinclair-broadcast-imminent-conservative-takeover-of-local-tv-news-explained Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Excellent article that just came across my timeline about what has been discussed above. What if the right-wing media wins? Conservative critics of the press want more than just a louder voice. They want The New York Times and The Washington Post to go away. Hard to take an article seriously when the first "conservative" they mention is Megyn Kelly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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