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On a funny note, Mason Malmuth was taken to task for why they are letting somebody start a thread & blatantly link it to a bunch of self promotion. Here's his response:

 

My understanding is that they were told it would be okay to post about their show if it was free to view. But I guess they didn't get the complete message. Anyway, a decision will be made as to whether it can stay up and if it stays up whether their post should be reduced.

 

Best wishes,

Mason

 

I didn't realize Daniel charged people to watch his weekly rant.

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Actually I find Bobo Fett pretty exasperating to talk to. To some extent he is reasonable but he always pretends not to understand my points. He actually understands what I'm saying perfectly well but it's something he purposely does to most of my posts as a way of diffusing them. He has a long history of doing that to my posts. I think it's kind of childish really.

 

It's absurd that they deleted your posts since anyone just noticing the topic is going to find it pretty hard to understand what the thread is about considering that the thread is about 2+2's response to your post.

 

It kind of reminds me of the pigs white washing history in George Orwell's Animal Farm.

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Professionalpoker is either a galaxy-wide level troll or a world-class social retard. My vote is #2. Either way he shouldn't be in any position of authority, anywhere.

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BTW for anyone who missed it, Daniel was on yesterday @ 5PM EST & did a tremendous interview. He stayed for the entire hour right up until his event in the WCOOP started. The archive of the entire 50 hrs will be available & I'll let everyone know.

Thanks to Daniel for taking his time to give to a very worthy cause & give this exposure just with his presence & commentary here. All us guys in chat thought it was great radio.

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I just wanted to add here that since this shitstorm began, PP has privately apologized to me for the way he handled this. I really don't feel like posting this in the 2+2 thread just yet because some of the people in that thread are completely retarded and their views are a little warped.

 

Just to make sure I am clear, I never asked for any money. I posted that the podcast was happening, and people could learn more about 22q at the website. He read just the beginning and thought I would be asking for money for a charity and just deleted it.

 

And to make one more thing very clear, The guys at VPR approached me about doing this podcast for charity, I never asked them to do it. John has the biggest heart of just about anyone over there. When he was asked why he was doing this, he responded to me that "if his daughter had a problem, and needed help, he'd hope someone would do this for him". So when people talk about paying something forward, it has to start from the first step. It takes a pretty big person or group of people to take that first step. John, Brandon, and Kevin are that group.

 

The whole 2+2 policy chat and Mason's personal defense (and selfless plug for his charity) are just a footnote (but a very big footnote) to this story.

 

I am thankful to Daniel, and everyone else here for taking this fight up over there. Indirectly, you have started to raise awareness for 22q, which is my purpose and goal every day for my daughter.

 

 

Joe

 

Joe - best of luck in your fundraising. I have an 8-year-old nephew (who I love a ton) who is Chromosome 18p deficient. There are a variety of problems when a person has problems with their chromosomes - having an extra chromosome 21 is named Down Syndrome. My nephew was exceptionally small as a baby, but has been on growth hormones for several years and is now almost average height. He is just now learning to read. It can be difficult to understand him when he speaks. He is also the single nicest person I've ever met - he just does not have a mean bone in his body.

 

I mention all this because I found it strange that you, as a parent to a 22q girl, used the word "retarded" in your post. That is a word that has a strong negative connotation in our culture. To say that someone is "retarded" is to imply that due to perhaps a missing part of a chromosome, that person is less than worthy or less human than others without this condition. I equate it to insulting someone for being gay by calling them a f*****t. Being gay is not an insult. Neither is missing part of a chromosome.

 

I'm not trying to police the Internet, nor do I have much hope i will influence others. I just wanted to bring this point to your attention.

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I just had to save this somewhere for reference in case the thread on 2+2 gets deleted. This is about the best post I've read on the subject of 2+2's policy on charities.

 

Moki said:

 

"Brilliant business model. Not having to pay the workers who, in your own words, make your site so successful is certainly an easy way to bolster your profit margins. Sure beats having to actually hire someone to do the work, and pay those pesky salaries, taxes, benefits, etc.

 

There is some irony here. By accepting the work of volunteers, 2+2 as a for profit business is essentially accepting charity. The unpaid charity volunteer work of all of the moderators, which makes the site so successful (and lucrative).

 

Who then delete threads about charities. It's kinda beautiful, in a way."

 

This is great stuff.

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Joe - best of luck in your fundraising. I have an 8-year-old nephew (who I love a ton) who is Chromosome 18p deficient. There are a variety of problems when a person has problems with their chromosomes - having an extra chromosome 21 is named Down Syndrome. My nephew was exceptionally small as a baby, but has been on growth hormones for several years and is now almost average height. He is just now learning to read. It can be difficult to understand him when he speaks. He is also the single nicest person I've ever met - he just does not have a mean bone in his body.

 

I mention all this because I found it strange that you, as a parent to a 22q girl, used the word "retarded" in your post. That is a word that has a strong negative connotation in our culture. To say that someone is "retarded" is to imply that due to perhaps a missing part of a chromosome, that person is less than worthy or less human than others without this condition. I equate it to insulting someone for being gay by calling them a f*****t. Being gay is not an insult. Neither is missing part of a chromosome.

 

I'm not trying to police the Internet, nor do I have much hope i will influence others. I just wanted to bring this point to your attention.

 

Hi Opie,

 

Thanks for pointing this out. It actually allows me to make a distinction. The word "retard" has a very negative connotation for me, but I personally NEVER equate it to someone with lets say, CP, Downs, or even 22q. For me, there's a very big difference between "retarded", and "mentally challenged". People with Downs, 22q, or CP may possibly be mentally challenged due to their malady, but I never mix or confuse the mentally challenged with people who act "retardedly".

 

I also am very lucky to be in medical sales and get to work with patients who might be mentally challenged. And usually, they are some of the smartest and wittiest people I meet in my line of work. They actually have very sharp minds, and even bigger hearts, but they are considered mentally challenged, and I will NEVER consider these people "retarded".

 

Again, thanks for bringing this up. From my life experiences, I've learned the above lesson, and it gives me a chance to get on my soap box and speak about it to other people.

 

Joe

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DN,

 

Sure it's about money. What's wrong with that? If Joe wanted to plug his piece in a TV show, in a newspaper, or, say, in Google ads (have his podcast/charity at the top of Google searches) for free, and was turned down, would you say people turning him down were scumbags as well? Truth is, 2p2, and particularly NVG, is not that much different. Sure owners want to make money. They are fully entitled to this for creating a hugely successful internet poker hub. And yes, 2p2 is allowing ads for some questionable sites. They are not angels, but they still have way more ethic and morals than 90% of the poker sites out there: they never advertised UB after the scandal, they shut down the site when the passwords were compromised, etc, etc. They could've probably handled the situation better and be a bit more polite and professional. Mason was never known for being gracious and diplomatic. Does this make him a scumbag though?

 

I don't think buying advertising time during a television show or in a newspaper is a good analogy for a couple of reasons:

 

#1 -- this would mean that every post on 2+2 would need to be "purchased" so to speak, as you are equating a 2+2 post to newspaper space or commercial time.

#2 -- the issue at hand is more along the lines of a news segment on a particular event that is both for charity and newsworthy. In these cases the producres determine if it's relevant and needs to be addressed.

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Hey guys, just wanted to leave Daniels interview during the podcast here...

 

Some really great stuff in there!

 

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Fine job doing your homework on this one Daniel promoting a scam fundraising drive. The charity is probably fine, the fundraisers, not so much.

 

22Q Foundation Ripped Off? Mason Malmuth Was Right Todd Witteles Was Wrong

 

Based on the article any donations given to the charity from the fundraising drive went straight to them and it was only a few thousand dollars that was put into a "charity" poker room that was stolen.

 

It sounds to me like the charity did well out of the event since they got the awareness that is the main goal for diseases like this one that aren't well known plus I'm guessing the amount of money directly donated was probably far greater than the amount that was stolen through the poker room. It is unfortunate that the scumbag was involved.

 

 

 

Sadly, it seems all these good folks who gave their time and support to a worthy organization, 22Q org, were deceived by John Sepulveda.

 

Sepulveda set up a donate to 22Q Foundation button on Vegas Poker Radio. Those funds went directly to the charity. However, Sepulveda also set up a temporary charity poker room on his website to raise money for kids with 22Q Deletion Syndrome.

 

Sepulveda controlled all the money donated from the charity online poker room. He controlled the rake, the fees and all the cash used there because 99% of the players graciously turned over their winnings to the charity. He also controlled all the donations that were directly sent to his account.

 

Sepulveda claimed the charity poker room pulled in $3,000 but no one knows the true amount because only Johnny Sep ran the poker software. It could have been more.

 

From what I’ve learned the 22Q Foundation never received that money. In a Skype chat with Chinamaniac Sepulveda said he was meeting with a man from 22Q to hand over the check. Here’s what he wrote:

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The guy who wrote that article clearly has some scores he's trying to settle. Whether the charity was legit or not was never the issue.

 

The article states, "Mason explained his company’s policy in a reasoned respectful post on Two Plus Two." That post that he is referring to was a direct reply to a post I had written. The post I had written stated in part, "The podcast is essentially a telethon with many celebrities, and as such stands on its own as a newsworthy event irrespective of the legitimacy of the charity itself." As I said, the conflict between Negreanu and Malmuth was never about the legitimacy of the charity.

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Bob, based on the reports of what went down, MM's policy of not allowing promotion of charity on the the forum is justified. DN is courageous and outspoken, and I appreciate him for that, but he got this one wrong. Whether or not the actual charity raised money is overshadowed by the rip off perpetrated by Jasep. The appearance of ANY impropriety is overwhelmingly damaging to any argument for allowing charities to be promoted on two plus two.

 

Witteles should also feel like a moron. The guy runs poker fraud alert and ends up vouching for a guy with a history of being criminally dishonest. DN doesn't look like a moron- he just got this one wrong and so did you.

 

Your loyalty to DN is something I greatly admire and I would say the same stuff if I was in your shoes. I'm the same way w my friends. Whether they are right or wrong, they are right, and if stuff needs to be sorted out in private, it gets handled. I'd go to war w u any day, Bob.

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Six Toed Pete, in his article, states that the 22q Foundation is a legitimate fundraiser. He also states that all of the money raised during the podcast went to the foundation. Those are the two things that DN was supporting. So I'm not exactly sure what Pete's problem with DN is.

 

Pete is alleging that Sep kept a small amount of money that he had raised on his own web site. True or not, Pete provides very little to back up that allegation. But regardless, money raised on Sep's website wasn't what the 2+2 conflict was about anyway. DN was simply lending his support for a podcast that was primarily done to educate people about a little known illness that effects children.

 

The overall vindictive tone of Pete's article, for me, makes the article a lot less convincing than if it had been written by an evenhanded objective writer.

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Here is a blog from Steve Ruddock posted within this hour including a pretty bold face lie from Juan Sepulveda earlier today on Poker Fraud Alert

 

http://pokernewsboy.com/poker-site-news/22q-charity-poker-podcast-embroiled-in-controversy/13555

 

Occasionally things happen in your life that can leave such a bad taste in your mouth that you are basically left jaded, wallowing in self-pity, and wondering what if anything you could have done differently. This is precisely what I am going through at this moment, and something that has been causing me sleepless nights, bouts of nausea, and the loss of another small bit of my faith in humanity.

In early September 2012, Johnny Sep of VegasPokerRadio.com ran a charity poker podcast along with two other co-hosts, raising money for children afflicted with the 22Q Deletion Syndrome. The podcast featured poker players, athletes, and representatives of 22Q, and raised some $6,600 in all through direct donations and the charity poker room setup by Sep on the site. Everyone involved was happy, and the podcast was seen as a success… Unfortunately the story doesn’t end there.

Several months later, when Johnny Sep was accused of scamming other poker players in a bogus stake, it was discovered that funds may have been missing from the podcast. As stated above, some of this money was donated straight to 22Q through a link on the VegasPokerRadio.com, while other money was donated directly to the site via a charity poker room they had set up, as well as some direct donations to Johnny Sep’s PayPal account.

At this time only $2,021 has been accounted, out of the final tally of $6,600. 22Q did receive the money from the donate button, but an investigation has shown that no other large donations were made in September or October, aside from the $2,000 donated directly to 22Q through the link on VegasPokerRadio. This revelation has caused outrage across the community that helped put the show together, and from the people that contributed to and donated their time and money to the cause. Johnny Sep was tasked with handling this money and the money appears to be missing.

So, not only did this person steal from other poker players by running a stake that he never completed and used the money elsewhere (which led to the investigation of the 22Q funds), but this person has all but admitted to the disgusting behavior of taking funds from a charity podcast; a charity podcast that I helped promote and even played a small part in legitimizing. This charge has yet to be officially confirmed, but Johnny Sep did post his current debts on PokerFraudAlerts.com and listed the 22Q.org charity as being owed $2,550 (an amount that could be as high as $4,500).

It should be noted that the 22Q.org Foundation has not made an official statement at this time, and they are investigating this matter fully.

It should also be noted, a good deal of money was indeed raised for the charity, and perhaps more importantly awareness was raised for this all too common, but generally unknown syndrome. So even with this very dark cloud, the other people involved with the 22Q Ironman podcast have a lot to be proud of. Co-hosts Brandon Gerson, Kevin Wright, and all of the people that helped along the way did a good thing for those kids.

2+2 Involvement

I feel I owe a number of people an apology even though I had very little to do with the podcast other than writing a few press releases and donating some time (and money) to the charity, I am truly disheartened by what has occurred. I have in fact talked to several people privately that I felt were pulled into this podcast by me. I feel incredibly bad for the charity, and for the people’s whose donations never made it to the charity, and to the GOOD people who worked on the podcast, with only the best intentions, and mostly for the children affected by the 22Q Deletion.

I also wrote a harsh article criticizing the 2+2 poker forum for disallowing links to the podcast prior to the show. It’s a bit of a long convoluted story but here is the back-story: I wrote the following article, http://www.examiner.com/article/a-look-at-a-hypocritical-policy-at-the-2-2-poker-forum, back in early September (an article that I still stand behind 100%), which led to this fiasco when it started making its way across Twitter and the poker forums, most notably here, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/kid-poker-calls-out-mason-malmuth-slimy-nerdy-2-2-mod-rant-1241107/index8.html.

Mason Malmuth and moderator ProfessionalPoker were vilified for their stance, and for this I am truly sorry; in hindsight their apprehension was not a case of being apathetic or cold-hearted, but simply to protect themselves.

While I still disagree with the 2+2 policy on these types of posts and events, I do have a new outlook for the problems a massive poker forum like 2+2 has, and the logistical limitations in policing so many threads. Earlier today Mason Malmuth banned me from his forum until I apologize… well I don’t know if what I have written will suffice; I simply didn’t believe someone would actually be capable of such a thing (especially someone I had known), but apparently Mason Malmuth and others have dealt with this before.

Final Thoughts

To clarify a few other things people have discussed on the forums:

* I did offer ProfessionalPoker a chance to tell his side of the story in a follow-up article back in September; he declined this offer.

* My initial intention with the article was to point out how 2+2 has no real policy on these types of things. Some things are allowed, while others are taken down. This is still the case, and I still stand by original article calling this policy hypocritical.

* Money has already been pledged to cover any lost funds that were meant to go to 22Q, including an anonymous $3,500 donation from a member of the community –hopefully more and more will come in and the 22Q will make out even better than before.

You can donate Directly to 22Q at the following link: http://22q.org/

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Here is a link to the thread on PokerFraudAlerts.com: http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?3305-PROJEKT-SEP-**SCAM**-(Rolled-A-Jasep-Saga)/page92

Here is Johnny Sep’s (Jasep on PFA) post earlier this evening:

Hello,

I am writing everyone to come clean about some of the things you have read online about me and attempt to rectify the situation.

First let me say this, I do not feel like I am a bad person, but that is not important as I have done some bad things in my life and now I want to rectify those things and right my wrongs if possible. For years I have had a crippling gambling addiction that I have hidden from everyone in my life. I have become very good at hiding my actions and being dishonest and deceitful to people who love and trust me. I thought I had my addiction under control and hadn’t gambled a lot in recent years, but my exposure to the internet poker community, recreational gambling and access to money triggered my problem and as I began gambling again I also found myself in wholes that I continued to press to try to get out of.

I never intended to hurt anyone and my intentions were always to right everything but I realize that was my mind being clouded by my addiction. I first want to apologize to everyone affected. I took advantage of peoples trust and used that to enable my own disgusting habit. I hate the person that I became and I want to make sure that I provide the proper restitution and move on in my life and seek the treatment that I need to make sure I become the person that I want to be instead of a person that cannot look himself in the mirror or sleep at night.

I thought that I had explanation for some of the things that have been said about me, but I now realize that it is most likely me justifying my poor decisions and convincing myself that I wasn’t in the wrong, while in the back of my mind I always knew what I was doing was wrong all along.

The email that I am sending this from is one that will be checked at least once a day and I will provide a new phone number to everyone as soon as I get one. I will respond to everyone through those channels. I don’t want to hide and run from anything, I would rather take responsibility for the things I have done and provide a solution.

.- I will pay everyone everything that I owe them with interest.

- I will be entering a treatment program

I have begun the process of seeking employment. Until my debts are made good then all of my money will go toward making them good. I have downsized my life incredibly and my cost of living is at a minimum right now. I am hoping to have all debts paid off as soon as possible, it may take me 6-9 months but I assure everyone that I will make constant and consistent payments to ensure everyone is made whole. Until I have a job, my job will be to get a job.

Right now I have outstanding debts of $12,200.00. I would like the opportunity to prove that I intend to make everything right. I am willing to pay 10% interest to everyone who I have wronged. That leaves a total debt of $13,420.00. I am happy to be in regular contact with anyone that I owe money to and work to make things right.

The only thing that I ask is that you leave my family and friends alone and deal with me directly; I promise to make return contact with anyone within 24 hours of contacting me. I do not currently have constant internet access but I will have daily access to the internet as well as a phone that will be available to anyone 24/7 within a week.

I will make equal shared payments to everyone that I owe money to on a weekly or biweekly basis (depending on my pay schedule) until everyone is made whole.

Please do not take my absence from internet forums as a sign that I am not taking ownership of my mistakes, I just feel that it will not be helpful in my correcting everything to spend hours focusing on radio shows or forums instead of working to get everything squared away.

I truly apologize for my actions and I hope that even though everyone hates me right now that my actions moving forward will speak to the kind of person I am trying to become.

-Johnny Sep

And here is Johnny Sep’s self=posted, unverified, list of debts:

Projekt Sep investors: $5200

22Q: $2550

Brandon: $900

Mark: $550

Pikachar: $3000 (not including projekt sep money)

I also owe small debts to Kevin and Tim that are not included in these numbers, they are collectively less than 500.

I am done here for now, my actions will be what makes the determination of how I am viewed.

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The mods are horrible on 2+2 and they have more useless post than on any forum I've ever been on period. I started at FCP and will stay on FCP. ;)

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