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Everything you said hinges on this one sentence....

The poker world is no worse than any other world.
... and that sentence is wrong. The poker world is way, way, WAY worse than 'other worlds' in terms of lack of integrity, predatory personality types, general shitbagginess. For you to think that tells that you don't have much experience in that world, beyond very superficial stuff. It doesn't mean that all poker players are bad, but poker has always been a magnet for a certain dysfunctional personality type that brings with him/her a whole host of other associated personal failings that most sane people want nothing to do with.I've been interested in a lot of things in my life. I'm a 'man of interests'. My interests define who I am at any given space in time. I've been a drunkard, a drug addict. I've participated in the higher levels of the advertising world, commercial art/design. I've been a comedian, a gangsta, a peacenik, a gun nut, a racist, a traveler, a prisoner, a professional poker player, a collector, a mechanic, a classical guitarist, an enabler and a paid archivist. I've been a shut-in, a bartender, a speculator. I'm the sort of dude who has books written about his eccentric and intensely interesting, well-varied life. For whatever disadvantages living a non-standard life has brought, it has afforded me the precious advantage of understanding everything about the human animal. Of all the groups and troupes and niches, tribes and cliques and coteries I've been a part of or observed (from the inside or out), poker players register at the absolute apex of 'undesirable types'. They actually beat out prisoners by a fair margin.
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See, here's where I disagree with you completely. How is it "over" for poker cheats? What has ever come Doyle Brunson's way other than fame and a huge economic windfall? hell, he even dabbled in securities fraud with a fake WPT buy out back in the day (and how he never got fined or charges brought against he for that, I 'll never know). What punishment has Russ Hamiltion, a man people know, for a fact , stole millions from the poker community? THe man still travels the country playing poker. He still hustles golf in vegas. Exactly zero has ever happened to Russ. Daniel himself called Men the Master out, on several occasions, for being caught with tournament chips in a cooler at Foxwoods. What ever happened to men, other than becoming a minor poker celebrity and Poker Cribs visiting his house? What poker rooms has he been banned from? what tournaments is he not allowed to play? Who the hell even remembers that incident anymore? Howard and Jesus might go to jail because they broke the law, but it was securities laws that they broke, not any laws governing poker itself. If two or more players collude against you, nothing legal happens to them. They can get barred from a poker room. Banned from an online account. But another account is a finger tip away. A new poker room is just down the street.. At least, with corporate fraud, embezzlement and the like, there are laws against it. Fines that can be levied. Theoretical punishments. THey may not be enforced, but the laws are there. There's NOTHING illegal about marking a deck of cards at a casino. Nothing illegal about getting on skype with 3 friends and colluding in an online room. No punishments. No consequences. At least, when Doyle was coming up there was at least some threat that an angry oil man was going to come after him with a gun for cheating him. BUt now, there's not even that threat. Hamilton can yuk it up on the golf course with lane flack and no one does shit. He can play 2-5 in a casino, and the only thing these poker geeks will do is embarrass him and then blog about it on 2+2 as if they are some kind of hero. if one of these online pros that Russ stole 100's of K from had an speck of steel in them, Russ would be buried in the desert. But they are all a bunch of pussies, crying about how dishonest AP/UB was, and Russ gets to keep laughing at them all and conning golfing fish. That's what drives me crazy about these 2+2 vigilantes. THey are great at uncovering cheats. Great at exposing them. Great poking holes in stories, researching who people are, great at all kinds of that sort of thing. But you know what they are shit at? Actually doing something about it. So you exposed a cheat. Cool. Now what? He gets a new account and cheats again. Cool. That to me is why I view poker on it's highest levels with such skepticism. There is no consequence for cheating. Public scorn of computer geeks not a deterrent. Having nasty threads written about you is not a deterrent. So, with no real consequences, all we have to protect ourselves from cheats is hoping that the better angels of the human spirit will prevail and that everyone will elect not to cheat. Good luck with that.
If the headline : "Ferguson/Lederer are gunned down at their homes" in the next month, would anyone in the poker world be surprised?
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At least, with corporate fraud, embezzlement and the like, there are laws against it. Fines that can be levied. Theoretical punishments. THey may not be enforced, but the laws are there. There's NOTHING illegal about marking a deck of cards at a casino. Nothing illegal about getting on skype with 3 friends and colluding in an online room. No punishments. No consequences. At least, when Doyle was coming up there was at least some threat that an angry oil man was going to come after him with a gun for cheating him. BUt now, there's not even that threat. Hamilton can yuk it up on the golf course with lane flack and no one does shit. He can play 2-5 in a casino, and the only thing these poker geeks will do is embarrass him and then blog about it on 2+2 as if they are some kind of hero. if one of these online pros that Russ stole 100's of K from had an speck of steel in them, Russ would be buried in the desert. But they are all a bunch of pussies, crying about how dishonest AP/UB was, and Russ gets to keep laughing at them all and conning golfing fish. That's what drives me crazy about these 2+2 vigilantes. THey are great at uncovering cheats. Great at exposing them. Great poking holes in stories, researching who people are, great at all kinds of that sort of thing. But you know what they are shit at? Actually doing something about it. So you exposed a cheat. Cool. Now what? He gets a new account and cheats again. Cool.
Great Statement IMO. People talk a big game these days, especially online, but carry the smallest of twigs.
I've been interested in a lot of things in my life. I'm a 'man of interests'. My interests define who I am at any given space in time. I've been a drunkard, a drug addict. I've participated in the higher levels of the advertising world, commercial art/design. I've been a comedian, a gangsta, a peacenik, a gun nut, a racist, a traveler, a prisoner, a professional poker player, a collector, a mechanic, a classical guitarist, an enabler and a paid archivist. I've been a shut-in, a bartender, a speculator. I'm the sort of dude who has books written about his eccentric and intensely interesting, well-varied life. For whatever disadvantages living a non-standard life has brought, it has afforded me the precious advantage of understanding everything about the human animal.
Well-versed in life. You've probably gained WAAAY more life experience than the guy who spent 4+ years in college then punches the clock at a corporate job for 20+ years. Living outside the box. I like it. (Can be a good and bad thing). That's why I don't understand why people knock the internet kids for moving out of the country to keep playing a game and are good enough/lucky enough to profit from it and not harm anyone. (Other than the gambling degens, but that will happen anywhere.) If a 20-something can move to another country and experience it and support themselves for a year or two then move on to "Normal Life", what's the problem with that? How many internet 20-somethings were living in their parent's basement, sucking off their parents being a loser at online poker but calling themselves a "Professional" before black friday. Those people are no different than than 20-something drug addicts that their parents just will not cut them off until it is too late and they have lost their entire life's work and their kid as well before they get their head out of the sand. Give the guys who moved away credit for having ambition. Something that lacks these days in young america. Just my opinion.
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You're awfully needy in this thread Rose. Demanding on what Daniel should do for you, as if he owes you anything. perhaps, if instead of you making co-dependant demands of him..why don't you give him some incentive to contribute to the forum. Maybe if you did something nice for him, he'd be inclined to make more appearances, say hi to you. Maybe if you made him, say.. a nice piece of pottery, he'd feel obligated to chit chat with you.
I didn't to want to sound demanding, I was hoping to see the forum back to the way it was. So I guess I was disillusioned by that thought. Would like to see the Strat section moved to general poker and hope he would get back to basics He does not owe me or anyone here anythingJust a thought on how we can save this forum if he just made an odd apperance, talk about changes in poker, or poker stratgery like he did in the past. Well if Daniel doesn't say Hi or not talk to me again, it's his choice. He is a nice kid here like the rest of you. Most of the people here.Let the haters hate, you will go far in this worldenough said
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If the headline : "Ferguson/Lederer are gunned down at their homes" in the next month, would anyone in the poker world be surprised?
I would not be surprised at all, but if it was some internet player that did it I would be shocked to my core. If they got gunned down, I would assume it was because they flipped and were about to testify against someone hard. I would not assume Jimmy Fricke and nanonoko decided to keep it gangster.
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Less Rose talking jibberish more rose making pottery imo.
pottery imoI rather cook , so I can send Vegan dishes lol
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that fuckin school is for goddamn losers and i hope anyone who went there dies of aids.
Edit: I just saw that NIU was reprieved later on. I rescind my huskie anger.As to FCP, it died for me twice, once on black friday, the other time being when Rose and Dixie accounted for greater than 25% of the daily posting. I assure you it had nothing to do with DN.
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Yeah Rose, DN has sent quite a pms to a lot of us discussing his disdain with some of your posts. That's probably a large reason for why he's done at FCP.
I did get a similar PM from Daniel
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pottery imoI rather cook , so I can send Vegan dishes lol
hmmm maybe some vegan cookies would do the trick. It's a little late for christmas, but valentine's day is just around the corner, maybe some vegan heart sugar cookies?
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He sent me a pm. We were discussing the women poker players on FCP and your name was brought up
Edit: I just saw that NIU was reprieved later on. I rescind my huskie anger.As to FCP, it died for me twice, once on black friday, the other time being when Rose and Dixie accounted for greater than 25% of the daily posting. I assure you it had nothing to do with DN.
Yeah Rose, DN has sent quite a pms to a lot of us discussing his disdain with some of your posts. That's probably a large reason for why he's done at FCP.
I did get a similar PM from Daniel
**** YOU ALL. DANIEL WOULD NOT STOOP THIS LOW TO PM LOSERS LIKE YOU WITH ONE EXCEPTION OF SERGE IT'S YOUR KNOW IT ALL DOUCHEBAG ATTITUDES TOWARDS EVERYONE WHO TRIES AND GET INVOLVED IN THIS FORUM THAT CAUSED IT TO DIEHAVE A ****IN HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL
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Y'all are hilarious! I barely have over 600 post to your almost 3000 Max I doubt I account for 5% of the post on here and you love me and you know it! LOL at DN PMing any of you fools! Poker forums other than the biggest ones have all pretty much died. A lot people attempt to make valid posts but get turned off quickly by some of the same douchebag, know it all bull shit like some of the stuff in this very thread. You have to have a thick skin to stick around on these forums, or just be a masochist, and most people don't have thick enough skins and they quickly leave after being flamed one too many times. How can you expect anymore from a bunch young, smart guys with the social skills of a garden slug? That's the problem in a nutshell, it was never more obvious than when online players tried to start playing live after Black Friday, they were so ridiculously socially awkward they could barely function out from behind a computer. It's also the reason so many of them (some of you all, not you Kobe) can't do anything but play poker online since it takes a certain amount of "normal" social skill to function in the normal working world. You try behaving in person the way to do on forums and you'll find yourself knocked out on the floor somewhere. Maybe if some of you would stop going out of your way to be so God Damned nasty to everyone it might help!

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