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So now the humour starts .... :club:Party at the DOJThis video is pretty funny :ts

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The amount of times "sick" has been used in this thread, "sick brag", "sick sweat" and shit makes this thread intolerable. This isn't a surfing forum and it isn't the 1980's.
I feel the same about the word epic. Bring back rad.
GROOVYBBB%20Frankie-Annette.JPGor bitchin'bosscowabungaetc.
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Pretty good timing. McDonalds is hiring 50,000 workers in the US today.http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/19/news/compa...on=money_latest
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/20/...E73J07320110420lol@ comment:"This is great news! I wish the media would print more of these kinds of stories that show what a strong economy we have, rather than ones that are so critical.McDonalds makes very good food and they are a great American icon!Go USA! Wave the flag and love the nation"
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http://nakedapeclients.wordpress.com/2011/...er-indictments/Antigua Reacts to US Poker Indictments
This is another of those "kick the can down the road" things that each congress and administration does. Do they think we can keep ignoring our WTO commitments forever? Are we going to ignore it when the WTO says "OK, go ahead and pirate all US movies and songs since the US obviously doesn't care about free trade"? At some point the WTO will get tired of waiting, and something's gotta give. Maybe this prosecution will be the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Payment Processor Pleads Not Guiltyhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...=googlenews_wsj

Mr. Elie was arrested in Las Vegas on Friday. He was released to marry former Playboy Playmate and model Destiny Davis in Las Vegas Saturday. He voluntarily surrendered for his arraignment in New York Tuesday. Mr. Elie, as a payment processor, is alleged to have lied to U.S. banks that didn't want to process the money paid to PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker by U.S. residents for fear of violating the Internet Gambling Enforcement Act.
Mr. Cowden said he gave the prosecution a 500 gigabyte empty hard drive for them to start the process of "discovery," to show the defense what evidence they have, as Mr. Cowden said he and his client are interested in getting the case "moving."
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Interview With Steve Wynnhttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/On-the-Call-...ml?x=0&.v=1

QUESTION: Is there any interest at Wynn in moving toward Internet gambling?STEVE WYNN: We've been approached over the past several years by most of the Internet players who wanted to combine with us and take advantage of our brand, and we finally became convinced, sort of hesitantly, about PokerStars, because there didn't seem to be any interest in the government to enforce restrictions on the game of poker. ...Based upon that, we made a very tentative, conditional deal that said if the United States government makes poker legal and provides that anybody who's been dealing poker recently is acceptable -- and then if that legislation passes in Washington -- and then if you can get approved by Nevada or Jersey or whoever's the licensing authority, then we'll go into business and split it with you 50-50 and we'll put our name on it. ...This reminds me of the Volstead Act during prohibition. It said you can't drink beer. Well, people drank beer anyway. And poker's about as American as apple pie.... The situation cries for regulation so that states can get money at a time when they need money and the federal government can get some money at a time when it could use the money. It seems like an intelligent thing to sit down and regulate.
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One of my friends woke up this morning to find his bank account frozen due to "unapproved offshore wire transfers"...the only transfers he's received are from Full Tilt. Be aware kiddos, might not be a bad idea to get yourselves a cash reserve just in case.

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Good article from a columnist at the Chicago Sun Timeshttp://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/49...-resources.html
It doesn't sound like the government's case is all that strong. So, why are they doing this?I just keep remembering the "blackout" provision of the lame-duck bill from late last year, and who was responsible for it. Harrah's. Now, I'm not saying that Harrah's is evil, I think they just want a piece of the action, and I honestly can't blame them. The US is a few years behind the times on all of this, and Harrah's (and others) are paying the price.My guess is that this situation will develop as follows. Many of us have written our Congressmen to complain, so a little bit of action will begin to stir in Congress. One by one, other states will begin creating pacts with Nevada. These will allow their citizens to enjoy online poker with the Nevada casinos, and those states will get a share (of something). In perhaps 2 years, online poker will (for all intents and purposes), be legal in the US (I bet a couple states will still be holdouts). I'm not even sure that the federal government will need to do anything*, after all, gambling is not supposed to be regulated by the US government at all: it's an issue that was left up to the states. In fact, the Constitution actually tells the federal government to essentially "regulate commerce...among the several states", not "hinder" the interstate commerce. But of course, the federal government does all kinds of things that the Constitution never gave it the authority to do, so I guess it is possible that something could happen at that level, but ultimately, I think the next move needs to come from the states. So, bring your state representatives up to speed as well.If we had Nevada casinos operating legally right now, today, the UIGEA would fall into a completely different light, because then it's "lawful Internet gambling", but only if I'm in Nevada? In fact, I think it's going to be difficult to figure out what the UIGEA will mean once the Nevada casinos go online. I mean, if I live in Nevada, and have a bank in Michigan, they can't block the transfer of payments, so they won't be blocking any money transfers for those casinos for anyone. So, at that point, it's left up to the casino to determine who is eligible to play and who is not. Isn't that exactly what Pokerstars and Full-tilt were doing? You won't have to be physically present in Nevada in order to play. (Technologically speaking, I mean. Legally, you will have to be present, but no one will be enforcing that.) But obviously, you would need a Nevada address.*The federal government needs to update the Tax Laws regarding gambling, for reasons I've mentioned here before (let us "net" the income, please, or don't tax it at all). Short of that, let's just hope they don't start attacking us to get tax money from winning players making a few hundred bucks a year. I mean, does anyone pay "Use Tax" on their state taxes? "Yes, I bought $300 worth of stuff from Amazon last year, and I didn't pay my sales tax, so here it is." Get real.
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Good news for US players ...steps are being taken to get you your money (second link is much more easier to get information from)http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressrelea...greementspr.pdfhttp://blogs.forbes.com/nathanvardi/2011/0...eir-money-back/
“No individual player accounts were ever frozen or restrained, and each implicated poker company has at all times been free to reimburse any player’s deposited funds,” Bharara said in a statement. “This office expects the companies to return the money that U.S. players entrusted to them, and we will work with the poker companies to facilitate the return of funds to players.”
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Probably worth noting that there is no mention of UB or AP there.Press release from FTP : http://www.pokerplayer.co.uk/news/latest-n...te_back_up.html

As the poker world recovers from the incidents of Black Friday, Full Tilt Poker has just released the following statement regarding the state of play on it's .com website and any player funds still being witheld..Full Tilt Poker™ is pleased to announce that it has reached an agreement with the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York to regain the use of its worldwide domain name, www.fulltiltpoker.com.Although players in the United States will not be permitted to engage in real-money play, the agreement expressly allows for real-money play outside of the United States.In addition, the agreement represents an important first step towards returning funds to U.S. players because it allows Full Tilt Poker to utilize its domain to facilitate the withdrawal of player funds. But, unfortunately, there remain significant practical and legal impediments to returning funds to players in the immediate future. As a result of the recent enforcement action, there exists no authorized U.S. payment channel through which to make refunds; Full Tilt Poker has no accounting of the millions of dollars of player funds that were seized by the government; and the government has not agreed to permit any of the seized player funds to be returned to the players. Finally, there are numerous legal and jurisdictional issues that must be considered before poker winnings can be paid out to players throughout the United States. While Full Tilt Poker continues to believe that online poker is not illegal under federal law or in 49 states, the indictment and civil forfeiture action filed last Friday require Full Tilt Poker to proceed with caution in this area. Notwithstanding these issues, Full Tilt Poker is ready to work diligently with the United States Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of New York to try and resolve these issues and to get players their money back as soon as possible.
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Sorry but I havent read the whole thread and not sure what the exact situation is.Are US players allowed to transfer to Non US and have them facilitate a cashout?Im not sure i would want to engage in this behaviour as technically I would be engaging in "illegal" activities as well..But my cousin in the US just texted me and asked me if this would work.Cousin transfer money to me, and I ship him money on Paypal.

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Just got a POP Up From PokerStars that funds to US players are being returned and one of the girls has just cashed out on Stars

PokerStars and Full Tilt Will Use Domain Names to Return U.S. Player FundsWednesday, 20 April 2011 10:56The U.S. Department of Justice says it will allow PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker to use their web sites to facilitate the withdrawal of U.S. players’ funds. The agreements made with PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker will allow the continued use of their domain names to facilitiate the return of U.S. player funds and to continue to offer services to non U.S. players. Both poker sites have agreed not to allow real money poker games for U.S. players and to allow for independent monitoring of their compliance.Eleven people, including the founders of PokerStars, Full Tilt and Absolute Poker, were charged Friday with bank fraud, money laundering and online gambling. The U.S. Department of Justice is seeking at least $3 billion in civil money-laundering penalties and forfeiture.
http://jgarywise.com/2011/04/poker-apocaly...nd-ftp-domains/Poker Apocalypse: DOJ restoring Stars and FTP domains.Posted: 20th April 2011 by JGaryWise in PokerTags: DOJ, FullTiltPoker, Poker, PokerStars0The DOJ has just issued a press release that explains that fultiltpoker.com and pokerstars.com have been returned to their respective companies to facilitate the return of players’ money:https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=...Hw3H4&hl=en
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Sorry but I havent read the whole thread and not sure what the exact situation is.Are US players allowed to transfer to Non US and have them facilitate a cashout?Im not sure i would want to engage in this behaviour as technically I would be engaging in "illegal" activities as well..But my cousin in the US just texted me and asked me if this would work.Cousin transfer money to me, and I ship him money on Paypal.
afaik, US players are currently unable to transfer at all
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http://www.womanpokerplayer.com/pokernews/...heir-money.htmlPPA: U.S. Department of Justice Rightly Answers Poker Players’ Demand to Return their MoneyWednesday, 20 April 2011 11:12John Pappas, Executive Director of the Poker Players Alliance (PPA), the leading poker grassroots advocacy group with more than one million members nationwide, issued the below statement on the agreement between the Department of Justice and online poker operators Full Tilt Poker and PokerStars to give American poker players access to their money in their accounts.“The poker players have spoken, and it seems the U.S. Government has heard their cries. But players are still in pain. While today’s action allows players on two of the three online poker sites to access their funds, this is just a small victory in the ongoing fight to protect Americans’ rights to play poker online. Even with today’s announcement, millions of Americans are being denied their hobby, avocation and in many cases their livelihood because they remain unable to play poker on the Internet.“Over the past few days, PPA members sent more than 65,000 emails and letters, and made thousands of phone calls to the DoJ, the Administration and Congress demanding access to the money in their online accounts and condemning the DoJ’s declaration of war on poker.ppa“Online poker players have been the true victims of the DoJ’s action, and it is good to see the DoJ recognizing that fact and working with Full Tilt Poker and PokerStars to get players their money. Yet, the fight to protect American’s freedom to play poker online is not over.“Now more than ever, poker players are uniting against the vague laws that continue to obstruct their right to play this game of skill in any format. Americans from all walks of life enjoy this great game, from stay at home moms to disabled veterans to the thousands of average Americans who earn or supplement their income through online poker winnings and they continue to tell their stories through online forums, the media, and calls and letters to Congress.read more from link
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I didn't see these posted, but they are both interesting reads. The first one on Pokerstars lobbying plans in NV written after Black Friday.http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/apr/2...plan-went-awry/This one was written in March.http://www.casinoscamreport.com/2011/03/25...-on-their-menu/

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a bit of humor for everyone, obama is having a townhall in about an hour and a lot of regs are posting questions hoping to get his attention and answers. guess who just showed upErik RylandMr, President, sir..When are you going to regulate ONLINE POKER in the USA sir?2 seconds ago

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a bit of humor for everyone, obama is having a townhall in about an hour and a lot of regs are posting questions hoping to get his attention and answers. guess who just showed upErik RylandMr, President, sir..When are you going to regulate ONLINE POKER in the USA sir?2 seconds ago
Next one is probably:GmanshadeCan you do something about the tax charged on a Case of Poker Energy Drink?
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Durrrr put a great post on the townhall wall for Pres. Obama today. He wants ppl to rewtweet share and like... http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?stor...122119071195720
really doubt he addresses it unfortunately, but we can hope :club:
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Durrrr put a great post on the townhall wall for Pres. Obama today. He wants ppl to rewtweet share and like... http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?stor...122119071195720
That "question" is awful.I recently was on a uso tour to two countries in the middle east. It was a very rewarding experience, and i was surprised by the insane amount of interest our troops have in poker. I expected most of the troops to have barely played before and maybe seen poker on tv once, while having no idea who most of us were, but I was way off. At... each event we had 100 people who signed up in time, and more who wanted to play but were unhappy that they couldn't get in. All the bases were randomly chosen, and for 3 of the 4 tournaments, less than 1200 people were eligible to signup. So this means far over 8% of servicemembers really enjoy poker from our sample size. Irrelevant stuff.Why then, 2 days after this tour, did the department of justice go after online poker, while at the last base, multiple soldiers are still playing online and trying to bring freedom to the world- yet when they come home they'll be unable to play.Confusing as hell. Is he questioning the timing of it? Did you know about the doj's action on friday?Really?Is there anything you plan to do about it?This is the only thing anybody actually cares about.And if you're actually writing something to be answered by the President of the United States, couldn't you take the time to make it at least look a little more formal?
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