hblask 1 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I personally don't care too much whether it was human caused. Well, its an interesting scientific question, but doesn't bear too much on the what we should do part (except that understanding how things works can help decide how best to deal with it I guess). But if it's going to get warm enough that there will be negative consequences for us, we should try to mitigate that either way. I don't refrain from using the air conditioning just because the temperature outside is a natural fluctuation vs. a man-made one.In the end, this is the question, and what the science is trying to answer, I guess. But "what to do" does not necessarily mean "prevent all change", which seems to be the major theory of the alarmists. You don't spend a million dollars to prevent a thousand dollar problem. Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists. Rising greenhouse emissions may tip off aliens that we are a rapidly expanding threat, warns a report for NASA. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists. Rising greenhouse emissions may tip off aliens that we are a rapidly expanding threat, warns a report for NASA.We should probably make every single rich person stop polluting by 1/3. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 We should probably make every single rich person stop polluting by 1/3.Why?What happens January 4th? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Looks like the environuts are losing itWarming temperatures in polar regions are causing an increasing number of polar bears to collapse from heat exhaustion, local hunters report. Jeremiah Johnson, a local hunter who tracks and kills polar bears "because they are there" has seen three of the behemoths collapse before him in just the last month. "It just isn't sporting to shoot one of these creatures when they are suffering like this", Johnson said as he recounted his attempts to revive a bear he was ready to shoot. Local TV meteorologist Sky McCloud explained, "Average annual temperatures in the area have risen from 20 degrees below zero to 15 below zero in the last 30 years, and these giant creatures simply can not withstand the excess heat."I don't think the author understand the words excess or heat..... Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 And just because you have good intentions...doesn't mean animals won't snuff your life out while you sleepThis whole ecoenquirer.com site is awesome and a parody Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 And just because you have good intentions...doesn't mean animals won't snuff your life out while you sleep Baby seals really are too cute not to protect from nature.Reminds me of the Lion Whisperer, except LW has said that he'll probably be killed by lions and that we shouldn't blame the lions when it happens. That's a weird life to live.Awwww Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I've never heard of the Lion Whisperer, however, this is exactly what happened to Grizzly Man. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I've never heard of the Lion Whisperer, however, this is exactly what happened to Grizzly Man. here Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 I think if you are living with lions or bears then your death shouldn't be too much of a surprise.This guy was living with the seals.I bet during the 'Living with Animals we love' awards dinners, he sat at the same table as the people who live with Monarch butterflies.I would hate to be him during 'Testimony Night' in heaven.Sampson: I had to fight the entire Philistine ArmyDavid: I was thrown to the lionsThis guy: I got the crap beat out of me by seals while I sleptEveryone: Wat? HAHAHHHHAHAHAHHHHhaaa Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 hereI hate you, because that video shows things that I've only dreamed of.Also, BG just made a wonderful post. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Also, BG just made a wonderful post.In recognition of his theory (that we should judge all environmentalists by the five who die at the hands of animals), I am going to now judge all gun owners based solely on the gun owners who end up shooting themselves.hahaha, people who own guns are so effing stupid: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-08-09...rges-gun-ownersExplaining how he shot himself in the dick with a tiny, pink gun must have been humiliating. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Haha, it's so ironic that gun owners don't believe in darwinism: http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/...092a490cd6.htmlStupid gun owners. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Cane, sometimes the simplest things go over your head.I was talking about BG's heaven conversation. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 In recognition of his theory (that we should judge all environmentalists by the five who die at the hands of animals), I am going to now judge all gun owners based solely on the gun owners who end up shooting themselves.hahaha, people who own guns are so effing stupid: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-08-09...rges-gun-ownersExplaining how he shot himself in the dick with a tiny, pink gun must have been humiliating. Not as humiliating as it is for president Obama for getting mocked by Iran and being unsure what to do about it. Link to post Share on other sites
phlegm 6 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Not as humiliating as it is for president Obama for getting mocked by Iran and being unsure what to do about it.He knows exactly what to do. He will say something to the effect of "If you guys dont stop mocking me, youll have to deal with Gingrich." Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Not as humiliating as it is for president Obama for getting mocked by Iran and being unsure what to do about it.YEAH WHEE IRAN'S THE BEST BRO THEY GOT HUSSEIN OFAGMA GOOD ON THAT ONE DAWG SUPER HIGH FIVE BROWHY DO YOU HATE MURKA BG Link to post Share on other sites
phlegm 6 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 In recognition of his theory (that we should judge all environmentalists by the five who die at the hands of animals), I am going to now judge all gun owners based solely on the gun owners who end up shooting themselves.hahaha, people who own guns are so effing stupid: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-08-09...rges-gun-ownersExplaining how he shot himself in the dick with a tiny, pink gun must have been humiliating.This thread is about dumb enviromentalist.You can start a thread about dumb gun owners. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 The new pipeline that President Obama shot down will definitely qualify for this thread.My brother works large pipeline projects around the country. He worked on a similar line from the Shale fields to Chicago.I talked to him yesterday and he told me that China will be buying this oil since the US is not wanting it. They will build a pipeline from the shale fields to the west coast and ship that oil to China.So the environment is saved exactly ZERO percent, the same strip mining will happen, a mulit hundred mile pipe line will be laid, and the oil will be burned into the environment ( with much lower restrictions in China )What a stupid thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 The new pipeline that President Obama shot down will definitely qualify for this thread.My brother works large pipeline projects around the country. He worked on a similar line from the Shale fields to Chicago.I talked to him yesterday and he told me that China will be buying this oil since the US is not wanting it. They will build a pipeline from the shale fields to the west coast and ship that oil to China.So the environment is saved exactly ZERO percent, the same strip mining will happen, a mulit hundred mile pipe line will be laid, and the oil will be burned into the environment ( with much lower restrictions in China )What a stupid thing to do.That wasn't the particular environmental issue, actually. Well, not the main one that prevented it from being built. It probably isn't salient to you, but as a Nebraska it's extremely salient to me. The pipe line was planned to go right over the deepest part of the Ogallala aquifer, which is the largest underground fresh water lake in the world. it provides irrigation water right in the heart of the bread belt, from south dakota, to texas. But the biggest, deepest part of it is in Nebraska, right where the pipeline was planned to cross. There is already a pipe line that goes around the aquifer, but in an attempt to save money the company wanted the new pipeline to be a straight shot from oil fields to the gulf, which would go right over it the aquifer. There was a great amount of debate, if there was a spill, if it would poise a threat to the aquifer. With most environmentalists saying it would, and industry sponsored science saying it posed no threat. That was the issue about the pipeline.I have no issue at all drilling for oil. You want to drill, drill away. I do have an issue running a huge oil pipe over Nebraska's most valuable natural resource. I think it showed a lot of foresight to protect that kind of freshwater resource, which will only become more and more valuable as our nation's population increases and clean freshwater decreases. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Cancelling the pipeline can help prevent abuses like this..On the other hand, experts are predicting $5/gal gas this summer. I know the pipeline wouldn't be done in time to affect this summer's prices, but each year it is delayed is another year of inflated prices.So this one is a tough call. If the only way it can be built is to threaten and steal people's land, then high gas prices just reflects the actual price of gas. Artificially keeping prices low by passing the costs on to a few landowners who happen to live in the wrong place seems a bit immoral. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 Cancelling the pipeline can help prevent abuses like this..On the other hand, experts are predicting $5/gal gas this summer. I know the pipeline wouldn't be done in time to affect this summer's prices, but each year it is delayed is another year of inflated prices.So this one is a tough call. If the only way it can be built is to threaten and steal people's land, then high gas prices just reflects the actual price of gas. Artificially keeping prices low by passing the costs on to a few landowners who happen to live in the wrong place seems a bit immoral.These pipes are buried, grazing lands will be closed for a short time, but they won't have their land access removed for ever. Plus they will have to leave easements. I'm not positive about this, but I do know this isn't like the Alaskan pipe line where the pipes are above ground.And for the record, if I had land they wanted to use, I would be screaming as loud as possible to maximize my pay off.How much can 40 acres in farmland Oklahoma cost? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 That wasn't the particular environmental issue, actually. Well, not the main one that prevented it from being built. It probably isn't salient to you, but as a Nebraska it's extremely salient to me. The pipe line was planned to go right over the deepest part of the Ogallala aquifer, which is the largest underground fresh water lake in the world. it provides irrigation water right in the heart of the bread belt, from south dakota, to texas. But the biggest, deepest part of it is in Nebraska, right where the pipeline was planned to cross. There is already a pipe line that goes around the aquifer, but in an attempt to save money the company wanted the new pipeline to be a straight shot from oil fields to the gulf, which would go right over it the aquifer. There was a great amount of debate, if there was a spill, if it would poise a threat to the aquifer. With most environmentalists saying it would, and industry sponsored science saying it posed no threat. That was the issue about the pipeline.I have no issue at all drilling for oil. You want to drill, drill away. I do have an issue running a huge oil pipe over Nebraska's most valuable natural resource. I think it showed a lot of foresight to protect that kind of freshwater resource, which will only become more and more valuable as our nation's population increases and clean freshwater decreases.You don't have to be a global warming alarmist to want to prevent pollution.If there is any reasonable threat of leakage, I would imagine the Governor can step in and insure it going around.On the other hand...it is Nebraska...come on, its not like its California... Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 You don't have to be a global warming alarmist to want to prevent pollution.If there is any reasonable threat of leakage, I would imagine the Governor can step in and insure it going around.I think you're envisioning a small lake or something. At it's deepest it's a quarter of a mile deep, and the over all aquifer is about the size of california. Here, let me give you a visual aid..The blue line is the existing pipeline that while it does pass over part of the aquifer, it is a shallow and deep portion of it. Here's a topographical map of the aquifer, notice that the deepest part of it is right where the proposed pipeline would cross itI know you were being glib about Nebraska, but the aquifer provides water for several state's irrigation, not just Nebraska, which is an agricultural concern for the country. and, in general the nation's long term security interests are tied into having abundant clean fresh water. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 Then shoot, dilution will take care of any spills. Link to post Share on other sites
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