The Official Obama Scorecard Thread

[akoff 0]

oh and don't forget that JFK was worse...yea great arguement there. Cain did you have a long happy hour?

[CaneBrain 95]

oh and don't forget that JFK was worse...yea great arguement there. Cain did you have a long happy hour?

No, just pointing out that about a third of our Presidents had serious personal foibles....especially some of the ones we really like.....it is a great argument. You don't have to be a good person to be a good president.

[Balloon guy 158]

No, just pointing out that about a third of our Presidents had serious personal foibles....especially some of the ones we really like.....it is a great argument. You don't have to be a good person to be a good president.

So Newt would be a good choice as president?

[CaneBrain 95]

So Newt would be a good choice as president?

No, but for completely unrelated reasons.like having Pat f-ing Buchanan tell you to tone it down: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/.../?iref=obinsite

[Balloon guy 158]

No, but for completely unrelated reasons.

So Newt is a horrible person because his ex-wife said so, but that isn't relevant when deciding his character?Then why did you bring it up?

[CaneBrain 95]

So Newt is a horrible person because his ex-wife said so, but that isn't relevant when deciding his character?Then why did you bring it up?

Because he opened the door by saying a lot of things (most of them ridiculous) about Obama (especially the Kenyan remark....and no he was not searching for Keynesian). If he wants to have a character debate with Obama, that's a bad plan. Also, you are not getting it. His cheating and his ex-wife loathing him is relevant evidence of his character OF COURSE....but character is NOT the be all end all for judging how effective a politician will be (and in some cases it is dangerously misleading).

[Balloon guy 158]

Because he opened the door by saying a lot of things (most of them ridiculous) about Obama (especially the Kenyan remark....and no he was not searching for Keynesian). If he wants to have a character debate with Obama, that's a bad plan. Also, you are not getting it. His cheating and his ex-wife loathing him is relevant evidence of his character OF COURSE....but character is NOT the be all end all for judging how effective a politician will be (and in some cases it is dangerously misleading).

So a politician's character is only relevant by the small d or r after his name?

[Balloon guy 158]

How Obama ThinksBarack Obama is the most antibusiness president in a generation, perhaps in American history. Thanks to him the era of big government is back. Obama runs up taxpayer debt not in the billions but in the trillions. He has expanded the federal government's control over home mortgages, investment banking, health care, autos and energy. The Weekly Standard summarizes Obama's approach as omnipotence at home, impotence abroad.The President's actions are so bizarre that they mystify his critics and supporters alike. Consider this headline from the Aug. 18, 2009 issue of the Wall Street Journal: "Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling." Did you read that correctly? You did. The Administration supports offshore drilling--but drilling off the shores of Brazil. With Obama's backing, the U.S. Export-Import Bank offered $2 billion in loans and guarantees to Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras to finance exploration in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro--not so the oil ends up in the U.S. He is funding Brazilian exploration so that the oil can stay in Brazil.More strange behavior: Obama's June 15, 2010 speech in response to the Gulf oil spill focused not on cleanup strategies but rather on the fact that Americans "consume more than 20% of the world's oil but have less than 2% of the world's resources." Obama railed on about "America's century-long addiction to fossil fuels." What does any of this have to do with the oil spill? Would the calamity have been less of a problem if America consumed a mere 10% of the world's resources?The oddities go on and on. Obama's Administration has declared that even banks that want to repay their bailout money may be refused permission to do so. Only after the Obama team cleared a bank through the Fed's "stress test" was it eligible to give taxpayers their money back. Even then, declared Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, the Administration might force banks to keep the money.The President continues to push for stimulus even though hundreds of billions of dollars in such funds seem to have done little. The unemployment rate when Obama took office in January 2009 was 7.7%; now it is 9.5%. Yet he wants to spend even more and is determined to foist the entire bill on Americans making $250,000 a year or more. The rich, Obama insists, aren't paying their "fair share." This by itself seems odd given that the top 1% of Americans pay 40% of all federal income taxes; the next 9% of income earners pay another 30%. So the top 10% pays 70% of the taxes; the bottom 40% pays close to nothing. This does indeed seem unfair--to the rich.Obama's foreign policy is no less strange. He supports a $100 million mosque scheduled to be built near the site where terrorists in the name of Islam brought down the World Trade Center. Obama's rationale, that "our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable," seems utterly irrelevant to the issue of why the proposed Cordoba House should be constructed at Ground Zero.Recently the London Times reported that the Obama Administration supported the conditional release of Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber convicted in connection with the deaths of 270 people, mostly Americans. This was an eye-opener because when Scotland released Megrahi from prison and sent him home to Libya in August 2009, the Obama Administration publicly and appropriately complained. The Times, however, obtained a letter the Obama Administration sent to Scotland a week before the event in which it said that releasing Megrahi on "compassionate grounds" was acceptable as long as he was kept in Scotland and would be "far preferable" to sending him back to Libya. Scottish officials interpreted this to mean that U.S. objections to Megrahi's release were "half-hearted." They released him to his home country, where he lives today as a free man.One more anomaly: A few months ago nasa Chief Charles Bolden announced that from now on the primary mission of America's space agency would be to improve relations with the Muslim world. Come again? Bolden said he got the word directly from the President. "He wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science and math and engineering." Bolden added that the International Space Station was a model for nasa's future, since it was not just a U.S. operation but included the Russians and the Chinese. Obama's redirection of the agency caused consternation among former astronauts like Neil Armstrong and John Glenn, and even among the President's supporters: Most people think of nasa's job as one of landing on the moon and Mars and exploring other faraway destinations. Sure, we are for Islamic self-esteem, but what on earth was Obama up to here?Theories abound to explain the President's goals and actions. Critics in the business community--including some Obama voters who now have buyer's remorse--tend to focus on two main themes. The first is that Obama is clueless about business. The second is that Obama is a socialist--not an out-and-out Marxist, but something of a European-style socialist, with a penchant for leveling and government redistribution.

[CaneBrain 95]

So a politician's character is only relevant by the small d or r after his name?

to me it is just a tiny piece of the puzzle for anyone. I find Gingrich's ideas to be the problem.However, I find it is one party ® that always wants to make character the issue even though their candidates are no better or worse in that department than the other side.

[Balloon guy 158]

to me it is just a tiny piece of the puzzle for anyone. I find Gingrich's ideas to be the problem.However, I find it is one party ® that always wants to make character the issue even though their candidates are no better or worse in that department than the other side.

So there is no purpose in trying to promote goodness and family, because politicians are scum.Maybe they see how damaging a life without morals is and they therefore have a better perspective on why it is bad for the whole country?

[Balloon guy 158]

Another reason to vote Palin 2012

[CaneBrain 95]

How Obama ThinksThe President continues to push for stimulus even though hundreds of billions of dollars in such funds seem to have done little. The unemployment rate when Obama took office in January 2009 was 7.7%; now it is 9.5%. Yet he wants to spend even more and is determined to foist the entire bill on Americans making $250,000 a year or more. The rich, Obama insists, aren't paying their "fair share." This by itself seems odd given that the top 1% of Americans pay 40% of all federal income taxes; the next 9% of income earners pay another 30%. So the top 10% pays 70% of the taxes; the bottom 40% pays close to nothing. This does indeed seem unfair--to the rich.

A great example of cherry picking and false assumptions. What would the unemployent rate be at now without the stimulus? 11%? Or are they making the case without it, umemployment would have definitely gone down?And again, yes the top 10% pay a large majority of taxes.....which seems perfectly fair since they have a large majority of the wealth.I would expect nothing less from a party that claims that 250k plus earners were the ones hardest hit by the economic collapse: "We can't let the people who've been hit hardest by this recession and who we need to create the jobs that will get us out of it foot the bill for the Democrats' two-year adventure in expanded government," McConnell said on the Senate floor. Yeah, I am sure the rich are the ones suffering the most.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

How Obama Thinks

Do I have to actually go into why this article is horrible, or is it trivially obvious enough? Judges?

[CaneBrain 95]

Scotland wants to send a terrorist home to Libya. The obama administration says that he should only be released within Scotland if anything. Scotland releases him to Libya. Somehow, that's Obama's fault I guess. Great article.

[akoff 0]

Scotland wants to send a terrorist home to Libya. The obama administration says that he should only be released within Scotland if anything. Scotland releases him to Libya. Somehow, that's Obama's fault I guess. Great article.

smartest thing i have seen from you in awhile. You are starting to come around.

[Balloon guy 158]

A great example of cherry picking and false assumptions. What would the unemployent rate be at now without the stimulus? 11%? Or are they making the case without it, umemployment would have definitely gone down?And again, yes the top 10% pay a large majority of taxes.....which seems perfectly fair since they have a large majority of the wealth.I would expect nothing less from a party that claims that 250k plus earners were the ones hardest hit by the economic collapse: "We can't let the people who've been hit hardest by this recession and who we need to create the jobs that will get us out of it foot the bill for the Democrats' two-year adventure in expanded government," McConnell said on the Senate floor. Yeah, I am sure the rich are the ones suffering the most.

Spoken like a true liberal.Yes, let's soak the rich, they do nothing for the economy.What, the rich are getting pinched and tightening up.So what, that doesn't effect anything.Except jobs.Oh and the economy.And tax revenuesBut the rich...they are worthless to the economic strength of a country.We should take everything away fom them and give it to the poor, because then they will spend the money once and create a wonderful bubble.Wait..where did all the money end up after they spend it? Oh the rich got it again. Let's take it away again then. Got to keep this utopia going.

[mk 11]

Let it be said, just for the record, that I fucking hate taxes.

[brvheart 1,752]

Let it be said, just for the record, that I fucking hate taxes.

Well all those people buying beer with your money sure appreciate you.

[El Guapo 8]

Let it be said, just for the record, that I fucking hate taxes.

Republican

[Balloon guy 158]

Know who else hates taxes?Sarah Palin

[akoff 0]

Spoken like a true liberal.Yes, let's soak the rich, they do nothing for the economy.What, the rich are getting pinched and tightening up.So what, that doesn't effect anything.Except jobs.Oh and the economy.And tax revenuesBut the rich...they are worthless to the economic strength of a country.We should take everything away fom them and give it to the poor, because then they will spend the money once and create a wonderful bubble.Wait..where did all the money end up after they spend it? Oh the rich got it again. Let's take it away again then. Got to keep this utopia going.

i smiled, i cried, i laughed...now i have to get ready to go play golf.

[strategy 4]

i smiled, i cried, i laughed...now i have to get ready to go play golf.

just FYI, if I had to do what you're doing now, I'd consider it punishment.

[strategy 4]

Poll: Nearly Half Oppose Tax Hikes on WealthyThe survey showed that by 54 percent to 44 percent, most people support raising taxes on the highest earnersI chuckled at the title vs. actual poll data.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

Poll: Nearly Half Oppose Tax Hikes on WealthyThe survey showed that by 54 percent to 44 percent, most people support raising taxes on the highest earnersI chuckled at the title vs. actual poll data.

Fox News: When, instead of news, you want the incoherent babble of the ignorant.

[SweetDee 0]

Fox News: When, instead of news, you want the incoherent babble of the ignorant.

The article is actually decent, and the address isn't the actual title, that must have been changed to generate hits. Also, Poverty highest since 1994. OBAMA **** YEAH!!!http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/16...te-jumps-level/If this were true during Bushs presidency this is all we would hear about for weeks from most media. Remember when unemployment at around 5.5 percent or whatever it was was catastrophic? -1000 for Obama for hating poor people, but I will give him +995 for at least doing something effective with that hate, so it's only a -5 overall, because, let's face it, who really gives a shit anyway?