Sng Death House

[Kaveros 0]

Some guy just called off 3140 of his 3800 5 handed @ the 200/400 level with 76s after I pushed and after losing a lot earlier I remember why this thread has it's name! Almost jumped up to "get even" but got back to my senses thankfully. Whew

I used to do that far too often

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7641562739: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (58129572), Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:17:26 ET - 2008/08/14Seat 1: pokerinsidecokr (7,130)Seat 2: PokerSweetie123 (2,225)Seat 6: nikkess (2,590)Seat 8: Superman170 (1,555)pokerinsidecokr posts the small blind of 100PokerSweetie123 posts the big blind of 200The button is in seat #8*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to PokerSweetie123 [4c 4d]nikkess calls 200Superman170 calls 200pokerinsidecokr foldsPokerSweetie123 ??????????????????????

[babylondonks 5]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7641562739: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (58129572), Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:17:26 ET - 2008/08/14Seat 1: pokerinsidecokr (7,130)Seat 2: PokerSweetie123 (2,225)Seat 6: nikkess (2,590)Seat 8: Superman170 (1,555)pokerinsidecokr posts the small blind of 100PokerSweetie123 posts the big blind of 200The button is in seat #8*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to PokerSweetie123 [4c 4d]nikkess calls 200Superman170 calls 200pokerinsidecokr foldsPokerSweetie123 ??????????????????????

Any reads? Seems like a super standard shove to me though

[king1305 0]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7641562739: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (58129572), Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:17:26 ET - 2008/08/14Seat 1: pokerinsidecokr (7,130)Seat 2: PokerSweetie123 (2,225)Seat 6: nikkess (2,590)Seat 8: Superman170 (1,555)pokerinsidecokr posts the small blind of 100PokerSweetie123 posts the big blind of 200The button is in seat #8*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to PokerSweetie123 [4c 4d]nikkess calls 200Superman170 calls 200pokerinsidecokr foldsPokerSweetie123 ??????????????????????

Shove and bubble when nikkess calls with 55 and you don't suck out.

[Kaveros 0]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7641562739: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (58129572), Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:17:26 ET - 2008/08/14Seat 1: pokerinsidecokr (7,130)Seat 2: PokerSweetie123 (2,225)Seat 6: nikkess (2,590)Seat 8: Superman170 (1,555)pokerinsidecokr posts the small blind of 100PokerSweetie123 posts the big blind of 200The button is in seat #8*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to PokerSweetie123 [4c 4d]nikkess calls 200Superman170 calls 200pokerinsidecokr foldsPokerSweetie123 ??????????????????????

Do you have an idea of each villains range?I think it is a check and check fold flop unless a 4 hits.Regardless of their range, if you get called preflop if you shove, there are about 2 hands you have crushed.You have enough chips to wait another round or 2 and wait for a better spot.

[sennin 0]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7641562739: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (58129572), Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:17:26 ET - 2008/08/14Seat 1: pokerinsidecokr (7,130)Seat 2: PokerSweetie123 (2,225)Seat 6: nikkess (2,590)Seat 8: Superman170 (1,555)pokerinsidecokr posts the small blind of 100PokerSweetie123 posts the big blind of 200The button is in seat #8*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to PokerSweetie123 [4c 4d]nikkess calls 200Superman170 calls 200pokerinsidecokr foldsPokerSweetie123 ??????????????????????

Take a flop and go from there, if you had both players covered by a good amount it would be a shove.

[Kaveros 0]

Take a flop and go from there, if you had both players covered by a good amount it would be a shove.

qft. if you have 4k it is autopush and a decent % of the time you win the hand there.I just think your stack is small enough that you will get donk called by the JT suited.

[babylondonks 5]

I think this is the best I've ever had anyone run against me in a period of about 7 handsPokerStars Game #19607376304: Tournament #102061641, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1000/2000) - 2008/08/14 - 07:37:02 (ET)Table '102061641 3' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: Rasant789 (13101 in chips) Seat 6: linda (16105 in chips) Seat 7: time2pokeher (38294 in chips) Rasant789: posts the ante 100linda: posts the ante 100time2pokeher: posts the ante 100linda: posts small blind 1000time2pokeher: posts big blind 2000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to time2pokeher [3s 3c]Rasant789: folds linda: raises 14005 to 16005 and is all-intime2pokeher: calls 14005*** FLOP *** [7h Jc 6d]*** TURN *** [7h Jc 6d] [Jh]*** RIVER *** [7h Jc 6d Jh] [7d]*** SHOW DOWN ***linda: shows [Jd Qd] (a full house, Jacks full of Sevens)time2pokeher: shows [3s 3c] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)linda collected 32310 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 32310 | Rake 0 Board [7h Jc 6d Jh 7d]Seat 2: Rasant789 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: linda (small blind) showed [Jd Qd] and won (32310) with a full house, Jacks full of SevensSeat 7: time2pokeher (big blind) showed [3s 3c] and lost with two pair, Jacks and SevensPokerStars Game #19607415671: Tournament #102061641, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1000/2000) - 2008/08/14 - 07:40:51 (ET)Table '102061641 3' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: Rasant789 (7318 in chips) Seat 6: linda (12786 in chips) Seat 7: time2pokeher (47396 in chips) Rasant789: posts the ante 100linda: posts the ante 100time2pokeher: posts the ante 100linda: posts small blind 1000time2pokeher: posts big blind 2000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to time2pokeher [Ah 5c]Rasant789: folds linda: raises 10686 to 12686 and is all-intime2pokeher: calls 10686Rasant789 said, "n hand"*** FLOP *** [Js Ks 6c]time2pokeher said, "ty"*** TURN *** [Js Ks 6c] [Td]*** RIVER *** [Js Ks 6c Td] [6h]*** SHOW DOWN ***linda: shows [Kh Jh] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)time2pokeher: shows [Ah 5c] (a pair of Sixes)linda collected 25672 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 25672 | Rake 0 Board [Js Ks 6c Td 6h]Seat 2: Rasant789 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: linda (small blind) showed [Kh Jh] and won (25672) with two pair, Kings and JacksSeat 7: time2pokeher (big blind) showed [Ah 5c] and lost with a pair of SixesPokerStars Game #19607425700: Tournament #102061641, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2008/08/14 - 07:41:48 (ET)Table '102061641 3' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: Rasant789 (8418 in chips) Seat 6: linda (22422 in chips) Seat 7: time2pokeher (36660 in chips) Rasant789: posts the ante 150linda: posts the ante 150time2pokeher: posts the ante 150linda: posts small blind 1500time2pokeher: posts big blind 3000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to time2pokeher [As 8c]Rasant789: folds Rasant789 said, "KK is hard"linda: raises 19272 to 22272 and is all-intime2pokeher: calls 19272*** FLOP *** [3s 6d Jh]*** TURN *** [3s 6d Jh] [7d]*** RIVER *** [3s 6d Jh 7d] [Td]*** SHOW DOWN ***linda: shows [Tc 7c] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)time2pokeher: shows [As 8c] (high card Ace)time2pokeher said, "lol"linda collected 44994 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 44994 | Rake 0 Board [3s 6d Jh 7d Td]Seat 2: Rasant789 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: linda (small blind) showed [Tc 7c] and won (44994) with two pair, Tens and SevensSeat 7: time2pokeher (big blind) showed [As 8c] and lost with high card AcePokerStars Game #19607446705: Tournament #102061641, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2008/08/14 - 07:43:48 (ET)Table '102061641 3' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 6: linda (47442 in chips) Seat 7: time2pokeher (20058 in chips) linda: posts the ante 150time2pokeher: posts the ante 150linda: posts small blind 1500time2pokeher: posts big blind 3000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to time2pokeher [6s 6d]linda: raises 44292 to 47292 and is all-intime2pokeher: calls 16908 and is all-inUncalled bet (27384) returned to linda*** FLOP *** [Js 7h Ac]*** TURN *** [Js 7h Ac] [Td]time2pokeher said, "sigh"*** RIVER *** [Js 7h Ac Td] [2d]*** SHOW DOWN ***time2pokeher: shows [6s 6d] (a pair of Sixes)linda: shows [4s Ah] (a pair of Aces)time2pokeher said, "gg"linda collected 40116 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 40116 | Rake 0 Board [Js 7h Ac Td 2d]Seat 6: linda (button) (small blind) showed [4s Ah] and won (40116) with a pair of AcesSeat 7: time2pokeher (big blind) showed [6s 6d] and lost with a pair of Sixes

[jmbreslin 0]

qft. if you have 4k it is autopush and a decent % of the time you win the hand there.I just think your stack is small enough that you will get donk called by the JT suited.

Why would 4k chips make a difference? The bigstack has already folded, and Hero has one stack covered and the other one almost covered. Either way both villains would be putting their tourney lives on the line with a call. Plenty of FE here on the bubble, no? Granted it's a free look at the flop, but the chances of being able to take this down postflop with 44 are so, so slim.

[Kaveros 0]

Why would 4k chips make a difference? The bigstack has already folded, and Hero has one stack covered and the other one almost covered. Either way both villains would be putting their tourney lives on the line with a call. Plenty of FE here on the bubble, no? Granted it's a free look at the flop, but the chances of being able to take this down postflop with 44 are so, so slim.

The only difference it makes is that if you get called and lose the hand you are not ****ed like you would beif you only had 2k and lost the hand. With 4k we can try and take a shot to knock someone outby moving in preflop and if it doesnt work then we are left in a situation where we are in ok shape, the shapewe are in as it is which is why i think it is ok to check and check fold the flop if no 4 hits.

[makeyourself 0]

Also if you shovel there you will 80% of the time get called imo, regardless of what stakes your playing. People get married to KJ and such and will just call you and even if they call you with 710o your still only marginal favourite. Don't risk your SNG life on such a marginal spot, and you don't need the blinds right now. You can wait for a better place to put your chips in. Also alot of people do limp strong, in the hopesomebody shovels etc. I would shovel if you had like AJ because it plays so well against villans range if you do get called. With the blinds being so high it doesn't matter if you have 1200 or 2000 the three of you are still all short. I think you can wait for a better spot. Plus if you check you let yourself flop a 4 for free and stack anybody who has limped strong and would have called your shovel. And it also keeps the action going and the hope that one of the others knock each other out.obviously if you were not the bb and say it folded to you in the sb you would shovel the 44's.

[Kaveros 0]

not trying to turn this into a bad beat thread but for real, what a retard:Full Tilt Poker Game #7675959648: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (58386135), Table 1 - 250/500 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:13:21 ET - 2008/08/16Seat 5: Cam Llewellyn (9,048)Seat 8: coolhand17x (4,452)coolhand17x posts the small blind of 250Cam Llewellyn posts the big blind of 500The button is in seat #8*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Cam Llewellyn [9d 6h]coolhand17x calls 250Cam Llewellyn checks*** FLOP *** [4s 5h 7c]Cam Llewellyn checkscoolhand17x bets 500Cam Llewellyn raises to 8,548, and is all incoolhand17x calls 3,452, and is all inCam Llewellyn shows [9d 6h]coolhand17x shows [9c Tc]Uncalled bet of 4,596 returned to Cam Llewellyn*** TURN *** [4s 5h 7c] [2c]*** RIVER *** [4s 5h 7c 2c] [9h]Cam Llewellyn shows a pair of Ninescoolhand17x shows a pair of Ninescoolhand17x wins the pot (8,904) with a pair of Nines*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 8,904 | Rake 0Board: [4s 5h 7c 2c 9h]Seat 5: Cam Llewellyn (big blind) showed [9d 6h] and lost with a pair of NinesSeat 8: coolhand17x (small blind) showed [9c Tc] and won (8,904) with a pair of NinesI probably should have moved in on the flop but i was playing more thanone table so something slipped i guess.

[bigbrennan 0]

not trying to turn this into a bad beat thread but for real, what a retard:Full Tilt Poker Game #7675959648: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (58386135), Table 1 - 250/500 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:13:21 ET - 2008/08/16Seat 5: Cam Llewellyn (9,048)Seat 8: coolhand17x (4,452)coolhand17x posts the small blind of 250Cam Llewellyn posts the big blind of 500The button is in seat #8*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Cam Llewellyn [9d 6h]coolhand17x calls 250Cam Llewellyn checks*** FLOP *** [4s 5h 7c]Cam Llewellyn checkscoolhand17x bets 500Cam Llewellyn raises to 8,548, and is all incoolhand17x calls 3,452, and is all inCam Llewellyn shows [9d 6h]coolhand17x shows [9c Tc]Uncalled bet of 4,596 returned to Cam Llewellyn*** TURN *** [4s 5h 7c] [2c]*** RIVER *** [4s 5h 7c 2c] [9h]Cam Llewellyn shows a pair of Ninescoolhand17x shows a pair of Ninescoolhand17x wins the pot (8,904) with a pair of Nines*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 8,904 | Rake 0Board: [4s 5h 7c 2c 9h]Seat 5: Cam Llewellyn (big blind) showed [9d 6h] and lost with a pair of NinesSeat 8: coolhand17x (small blind) showed [9c Tc] and won (8,904) with a pair of NinesI probably should have moved in on the flop but i was playing more thanone table so something slipped i guess.

I am not sure how it is a bad beat when you were 32% to win?

[babylondonks 5]

I am not sure how it is a bad beat when you were 32% to win?

I think it's that the villain called off a rather large stack with 10 high

[david_keena 0]

I just got a laptop and downloaded FT (for some reason my desktop won't work with FT) and all i have to say is i love the 90 man KO T DS.Thats all i have to say for now untill i take 1 down

[Jariso13 1]

I <3 18 men turbos...

[makeyourself 0]

bumped because I just lost my mind along with alot of money today :)Never. Ran. So. Bad. In. One. Day. Of. Sit. And. Go's.

[Gallo 1]

We're not folding here correct? Even with a shorter stack right?Full Tilt Poker Game #7707841804: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (58622427), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:58:36 ET - 2008/08/18Seat 1: snooze24 (1,240)Seat 4: SnoozeAlarm (7,240)Seat 8: lvgmb (3,070)Seat 9: GalloFX (1,950)snooze24 posts the small blind of 60SnoozeAlarm posts the big blind of 120The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GalloFX [9h Ac]lvgmb foldsGalloFX raises to 360snooze24 foldsSnoozeAlarm raises to 7,240, and is all inGalloFX has 15 seconds left to act

[bigbrennan 0]

We're not folding here correct? Even with a shorter stack right?Full Tilt Poker Game #7707841804: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (58622427), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:58:36 ET - 2008/08/18Seat 1: snooze24 (1,240)Seat 4: SnoozeAlarm (7,240)Seat 8: lvgmb (3,070)Seat 9: GalloFX (1,950)snooze24 posts the small blind of 60SnoozeAlarm posts the big blind of 120The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GalloFX [9h Ac]lvgmb foldsGalloFX raises to 360snooze24 foldsSnoozeAlarm raises to 7,240, and is all inGalloFX has 15 seconds left to act

I don't like the raise, as if this happens you are faced with an awkward decision.I'd rather take the decision away from you and put it on the blinds by shoving from the button. How has SnoozeAlarm got all those chips? Is he TAG or LAG is the main question. If you expect him to show up here with KQ / KJ / QJ / 22,33,44,55,66,77,88 then call. Anything else and your drawing to three outs for your life. I can't comment on whether or not its a call or fold without knowing SnoozeAlarm's range, but I would have shoved from the button here rather than raise.

[makeyourself 0]

foldy foldy foldy foldy. Tbh i think u just fold to the reraise, as the dude above says i just shovel there cos its pretty obvious the big stack is doing the right thing and pushing everybody else about. Edited: as i see that this is a 9 man and not a 6 man.Basically you know that the big stack will be pushing any raise as there are 4 of you left with 3 paid and a few short stacks. So if you wanna play A9, just shovel. Personally I just wait for a better spot as there is another dude who is shorter than you.With your stack and given the situation just fold or push all the time, because you don't have the chips to raise. If the bb was the same stack as you i would auto shovel as his range of calling u 4 handed is pretty low.

[jmbreslin 0]

He's not in push/fold territory yet with 16BB. The only reason I'd be reluctant to raise in that spot is because of the bigstack in the BB. You'd much, much rather raise with the smaller stacks in the blinds. If he's a tight player then fine, but my guess is he isn't very tight with that stack size.As played it's an easy fold to the reraise. It's unlikely he's doing this with a worse Ace, so the best case scenario is something like KQ against which you're less than 60/40. Then you have to throw in all the other hands you're behind and in terrible shape against, such as better Aces and PPs.

[makeyourself 0]

He's not in push/fold territory yet with 16BB. The only reason I'd be reluctant to raise in that spot is because of the bigstack in the BB. You'd much, much rather raise with the smaller stacks in the blinds. If he's a tight player then fine, but my guess is he isn't very tight with that stack size.As played it's an easy fold to the reraise. It's unlikely he's doing this with a worse Ace, so the best case scenario is something like KQ against which you're less than 60/40. Then you have to throw in all the other hands you're behind and in terrible shape against, such as better Aces and PPs.

I disagree with your analagy of hes not in push or fold yet, not because of HIS stack size. But the stacks of others. The big stack WILL be shoving nearly every raise you make whether it be on the button or not. Also lol if you think hes not doing shoving here with 89s etc. and other v marginal hands. Maybe not in a 10$ sng but usually he would be doing this with a huuuuge range. Take the option away from him. Maybe he shouldn't push, but a hand that he raises with will be the hand he goes to war with the big stack with. Basically you can't be just doing standard raises on the big stacks big blind... its not going to work if he has a clue. Also yes, he has 16bb, but if he opens for 3bb when he wants to play any marginal hand he will soon be the lowest stack and picked on to come 4th, and if this is turbo then the blinds will increase soon enough. IMO hes playing very soon a 10bb stack and is short currently. Play tight and just play premium hands and hope others get tangled up and u can then open up with 3 left. Don't go throwing your chips away opening with A9 otb for 3bb. Just shovel it and take the blinds if you must.

[jmbreslin 0]

First, we need a read on villain to determine how likely he is to be pushing widely here. There are lots of players who actually become very tight to conserve their big stack on the bubble, waiting for it to burst before they start opening up on the smaller stacks. Hero should have some info on how active this guy has been on the bubble.Second, I actually agree with you that folding is better than raising, unless we have a read that the bigstack is tight and has been backing down to big raises. The thing I don't like about pushing 16BB here is that it looks like a blatant steal that doesn't want to get called and Hero won't be in good shape against the range of hands that the bigstack might call with. I think I'd rather raise and fold than push here since Hero will still have 13BB to work with.

[Gallo 1]

Ok here's my take. Hopefully, I'm able to convey my thoughts properly. I don't really have any read on the villain and honestly I don't know how he got his stack.1. Are you looking to win or make the money? I don't think either one really matters at the moment as I really don't have a secure spot anyway. Besides, I'm not really worried about bubbling out.2. Some hands ago, I did shove on the villain when he raised PF and I was in the BB. I had QQ.3. I had been playing fairly tight early on, but had begun to pick up the aggressiveness a bit when we got down to 4.With 16BBs I don't think that we are in shove or fold mode yet. If I fold, then I am. And even if I do shove, I'm only really getting called by a hand that crushes me. By me just raising in this spot I'm allowing the villain to hopefully make a mistake and shove with a wide range, as he should. Anything that villain is shoving here I either have dominated or am racing against, but I don't think I am behind and more than likely ahead of whatever he is shoving here. I don't think he shoves AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ. I think he r/r instead of shoving with those hands and possibly a few more.So given the 3 things I stated above and my thought process on what villain could have, I called.

[Gallo 1]

He's not in push/fold territory yet with 16BB. The only reason I'd be reluctant to raise in that spot is because of the bigstack in the BB. You'd much, much rather raise with the smaller stacks in the blinds. If he's a tight player then fine, but my guess is he isn't very tight with that stack size.As played it's an easy fold to the reraise. It's unlikely he's doing this with a worse Ace, so the best case scenario is something like KQ against which you're less than 60/40. Then you have to throw in all the other hands you're behind and in terrible shape against, such as better Aces and PPs.

Agree with push/fold mode, not there yet. I understand with raising the smaller stacks in the blinds, but most of the time the big stack is in there with them or he is raising. So I have to pick my spots. I don't think it's an easy fold to the shove. And even though it is a r/r, I see it more as a shove and not that strong of a hand that has me totally crushed.