Limit Versus No-limit Cash Games?

[Zach6668 513]

And even worse now But true. Not one of my better thought out late night forum threads

I don't think the topic itself is a bad idea.

[Zach6668 513]

yeaah i think its a fact NL is more profitable, LHE = less swings

Good one.

[SlapStick 0]

Eh, either way.It's just that you can't compare 3/6 to 3/6.It's just not the same level.I only skimmed through the rest, but there's just really a lot of misinformed, perhaps naive people out there.It's not their fault, I'm sure. The poker boom brought NLHE to the world. Can't expect most people to think anything less of the "cadillac of poker".

Im mainly just reading my own comments and trying to be cheeky.watching tennis and and drinking wine for some reason, its 7:30

[knoxxxy 0]

Good one.

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[drcossack 0]

yeaah i think its a fact NL is more profitable, LHE = less swingsHmm everyone talks about NL and LHE, does anyone actually play PLHE at higher games?

4 empty PLHE tables @ 5/10 and 10/20 (two each) on FTP, none on Stars @ the same limits.As for the thread:Play what you're comfortable with. I'm a better LHE player, so I play that. On the other hand, if I have the option between a really soft NLHE game and really soft LHE game, I pick the NLHE, simply because there's a lot more profit there (and you won't have a table full of retarded monkeys going to the river)

[looshle 6]

this is the worst thread in the history of this forumNl you make more money obviously, you can go all inwhile w'ere at it lets compare 3/6 NL to 3/6 Limit, there. its easy to see you can make more in 3/6 NL, right therefore NL is better than limit and its more profitable@!!!!

[Zach6668 513]

lol loosh... saw ya lurking, was hoping you'd reply.Wasn't expecting to lol as hard as I did when I read it tho.NH imo

[drcossack 0]

this is the worst thread in the history of this forumNl you make more money obviously, you can go all inwhile w'ere at it lets compare 3/6 NL to 3/6 Limit, there. its easy to see you can make more in 3/6 NL, right therefore NL is better than limit and its more profitable@!!!!

Worse than the shitty day thread or gmanshade's girlfriend mad at me?Ok, I see your point. Those two have redeeming comedic value.

[king_tanner 84]

I lose at both.Therefore they both are not profitable.

[king1305 0]

LOL AT OPENING THIS THREAD AT SEEING 3/6 COMPARED TO 600NL. WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWW LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.Also, who plays a game where you can't accept all in withouth to see teh floop

[Zach6668 513]

I'm thinking about concentrating on limit for about a month and come up with my own conclussion but thought i would throw it out there for some debate from good players in both games.

Fwiw, if you want to talk limit, or have specific questions or whatever, PM me your AIM or MSN info, and we can chat, or just ask in here, and I might remember to check it.(not that I'm necessarily a "good player", I just know that I'm one of only a few people in this forum who plays LHE for a living and might be of some help. )

[Cappy37 0]

I think it's a criminal that no one has really pointed out that the BR you need to be comfortable at 3/6 NLHE and 3/6 LHE may be just slightly different... I'm guessing if you have 2k behind you, you may need to experience the positive side of variance pretty quickly to survive 3/6 NLHE...

[Cappy37 0]

Fwiw, if you want to talk limit, or have specific questions or whatever, PM me your AIM or MSN info, and we can chat, or just ask in here, and I might remember to check it.(not that I'm necessarily a "good player", I just know that I'm one of only a few people in this forum who plays LHE for a living and might be of some help. )

You are just mad that you can't lock this thread, because it would do it too much justice by even fully acknowledging it's existence.

[shamhawks 0]

Fwiw, if you want to talk limit, or have specific questions or whatever, PM me your AIM or MSN info, and we can chat, or just ask in here, and I might remember to check it.(not that I'm necessarily a "good player", I just know that I'm one of only a few people in this forum who plays LHE for a living and might be of some help. )

Thanks,I might take you up on that. Will have to get with it and finally get AIM or MSN though :)I'm no stranger to limit but it has been quite a while. I have won some limit tournies, but really get bored with limit tournies. I do like limit cash games though. Heck, I started with Limit well before the boom hit.

[navybuttons 15]

I think it's a criminal that no one has really pointed out that the BR you need to be comfortable at 3/6 NLHE and 3/6 LHE may be just slightly different... I'm guessing if you have 2k behind you, you may need to experience the positive side of variance pretty quickly to survive 3/6 NLHE...

yeah, my posts got deleted. oh wait.

[shamhawks 0]

I think it's a criminal that no one has really pointed out that the BR you need to be comfortable at 3/6 NLHE and 3/6 LHE may be just slightly different... I'm guessing if you have 2k behind you, you may need to experience the positive side of variance pretty quickly to survive 3/6 NLHE...

Good point and i was going to bring it up and should of used the example of say 3/6 limit to 1/2 nlI'm not a high stakes player, but find myself comfortable up to $1/2nl but have felt comfortable up to $4/8 limit even though i play 20 times more NL

[Flushgarden 0]

LHE is mind numbingly boring at the lower levels there is no room for creativity...but if you have a 1k BR you can extract more money faster in 2/4 LHE than in .25/.50 NL....at least I can anyway.

[checkymcfold 0]

you know that FCP has gone to shit when someone answers all the relevant questions on page one and gets ignored due to having a smasharoo avatar.LHE and NLHE are different games, and various players with various skillsets will do better at either one, accordingly. winrates relative to bankroll are going to be surprisingly similar, and LHE players are going to experience larger swings relative to bankroll in the short term at most of the limits you guys are playing. higher up, the swings are probably similar, too.done. again.

[Cappy37 0]

yeah, my posts got deleted. oh wait.

you know that FCP has gone to shit when someone answers all the relevant questions on page one and gets ignored due to having a smasharoo avatar.

checky.

[loxo 0]

Good point and i was going to bring it up and should of used the example of say 3/6 limit to 1/2 nlI'm not a high stakes player, but find myself comfortable up to $1/2nl but have felt comfortable up to $4/8 limit even though i play 20 times more NL

Still not really comparable.Not at all really.Lots of people would say you need a minimum of 20 buyins to play a NL level, 20x $200 (1-2NL) = 4k. Those same people would generally say you needed a minimum 300 BB's to play limit holdem at 3/6, (300x6) = 1800. These are pretty broad but as a general rule they are ok. In reality the 1/2 NL game will play at least twice as big as the 3/6 limit game on most occasions and often bigger.Basically the games you are comparing should not really be compared. That being said you will derive the most profit from playing the game you have the biggest edge in within your roll.

[E-Cart6 0]

Durrr is teh_good at NL. and made millions.which I think is much "easier" to do in a NL game than in LHE.

Distribution is 93% HU LHE, 4% HU NL and 3% other LHE.

Copied from 2+2 2007 Graph Thread.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

say someone's edge was the same in a 3/6 NL game vs. a 3/6 LHE game, the NL game would be more profitable, but it is a function of game size more than anything else. the 3/6 NLHE is probably about 6 or 7 times bigger than the 3/6 LHE game.start the equation with bankrolls. a $1000 bankroll should be 20 buy-ins for .25/.50 NLHE. a decent players winrate at that level should be about 4ptbb/100 or $4/100. that same $1000 bankroll for LHE would be enough for 1/2LHE. a good player's winrate at 1/2 LHE would be about 2ptbb/100 or $4/100. i know you didn't want hands, but the hands per hour is really similar.assuming you can play the same amount of tables, etc. the games are pretty comparable. however, multi tabling NLHE may be easier so that has some consideration.also, it's my opinion, that the LHE games are softer than the NLHE games online today so as you improve and move up a large winrate will still be sustainable. live, the NLHE games are probably softer.

navybuttons post needs to be repeated since it's spot on in every way and about the only thing saving this thread.The 10/20 and up limit holdem games on the internet today are as soft or softer than they have ever been but they aren't as plentiful as in the "good old days" since most new players are playing NL. This is expecially true if you aren't American and can play at sites that are mostly European although the limit games at Poker Stars can also be quite good as well.Remember that a 10/20 limit game has blinds that are 5-10 while a 10/20 NL have blinds of 10-20 so the NL game is larger just from the blinds not even including the betting structure. If you want to compare the size and winrates of NL to Limit a NL game is probably anywhere from 4-6 times larger than a Limit game. For example I consider the 25/50 Limit games that I mostly play in comparable to 5/10 NL.

[bigcoled 1]

You gotta go where the game is the juciest... best thing you can do at a live game is spend some time getting to know the regulars, know who's coming in and out, and find your easiest targets... NL has a greater swing rate, so if you're playing on a shortish bankroll, limit is the way to go, less at risk on each hand... However my favorite games are the NL games with 3-4 players to every flop, every hand it gets raised 5x BB and I'm going to be able to outplay after the flop, where the players underbet when they're weak, bet normally if they're strong, check if they're super strong (or giving up/depending on the player), and then once you have them good and tilted, all-in when they have ace high... For me I like games with alot of action preflop where it doesn't matter what situation I'm in preflop, 9/10 I can outplay the player after the flop whether the play is to fold, raise, call, call down to make a bluff on the turn or the river, the players are aggressive preflop and are completely blind to post flop play... It comes down to knowing your opponents and finding profitable games for the style of poker you are best at playing... You want to hang out with daniel negreanu, you want to be friends with him, but you do not want to play poker with him...there are much easier games out there, there is no pride in poker... if the sharks are in the 10-20 game, you have to go down to the 5-10 game, not only do you stand a better chance to make a profit, but a better chance to make a larger profit in all reality... The only time limit is the way to go for a skilled player is if you are running on a low bankroll that needs to be protected, sometimes i will play limit if i feel i am running bad just until I feel comfortable again, or if you are just learning the game... learning to play omaha? Start out at limit, get used to seeing the hands people are holding/playing/making, don't jump into a pot limit or no limit game, same would go for an omaha player coming to hold'em, or any other games... Limit is a great learning game, and a great game for plays to revert back to when they feel they've lost their way, in essence a grounding point... No limit is the game to play when you are comfortable and confident... Choose wisely and never be afraid to swallow your pride....

[Zach6668 513]

LHE is mind numbingly boring at the lower levels there is no room for creativity...but if you have a 1k BR you can extract more money faster in 2/4 LHE than in .25/.50 NL....at least I can anyway.

Really? A great player can be creative at any level. I suppose the FR LHE is pretty mindless though, but it is in no way more boring than FR NL. FR LHE = more decisions than FR NL. Wonder why people can 16-table NL and only 6-table LHE?I literally want to slit my wrists every time I sit down to play NL. I always wonder wtf I was thinking, lol.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

You gotta go where the game is the juciest... best thing you can do at a live game is spend some time getting to know the regulars, know who's coming in and out, and find your easiest targets... NL has a greater swing rate, so if you're playing on a shortish bankroll, limit is the way to go, less at risk on each hand... However my favorite games are the NL games with 3-4 players to every flop, every hand it gets raised 5x BB and I'm going to be able to outplay after the flop, where the players underbet when they're weak, bet normally if they're strong, check if they're super strong (or giving up/depending on the player), and then once you have them good and tilted, all-in when they have ace high... For me I like games with alot of action preflop where it doesn't matter what situation I'm in preflop, 9/10 I can outplay the player after the flop whether the play is to fold, raise, call, call down to make a bluff on the turn or the river, the players are aggressive preflop and are completely blind to post flop play... It comes down to knowing your opponents and finding profitable games for the style of poker you are best at playing... You want to hang out with daniel negreanu, you want to be friends with him, but you do not want to play poker with him...there are much easier games out there, there is no pride in poker... if the sharks are in the 10-20 game, you have to go down to the 5-10 game, not only do you stand a better chance to make a profit, but a better chance to make a larger profit in all reality... The only time limit is the way to go for a skilled player is if you are running on a low bankroll that needs to be protected, sometimes i will play limit if i feel i am running bad just until I feel comfortable again, or if you are just learning the game... learning to play omaha? Start out at limit, get used to seeing the hands people are holding/playing/making, don't jump into a pot limit or no limit game, same would go for an omaha player coming to hold'em, or any other games... Limit is a great learning game, and a great game for plays to revert back to when they feel they've lost their way, in essence a grounding point... No limit is the game to play when you are comfortable and confident... Choose wisely and never be afraid to swallow your pride....

No offense bigcoled but your advice and analysis is appreciated but off in many respects.Just keep in mind that Limit and No Limit are different games. They take a different approach. I'm an experienced poker player but most of my experience is at limit holdem. I would be a fish in a 5/10 NL game online while the 5/10 NL players would be at a disadvantage in my 25/50 limit game unless they have a lot of limit experience. Limit may appear to be simpler than No Limit but you actually have more decisions to make in an average limit session than you do in an average NL session with capped buyins. That's one of the reasons that it's easier to multi-table NL than it is to multi-table Limit.