Stay In School

[Viking145 0]

For those of you who missed it, here is where you can find my crucial advice for the young ones:http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/artic...-stay-in-schoolIf you are going to flame, please use proper spelling and correct grammar.-Viking145

[Jordan 1]

yawn

[RabidTortuga 0]

I read this earlier today on Cardplayer. Good advice.

[natedawg2 0]

Oh sh*t, i already spent my tuition money on poker. What am i going to do now!?!? Anyone wanna stake me at school?Edit: I had to because you expected it.

[Jordan 1]

I read this earlier today on Cardplayer. Good advice.

it is. it's also kinda sad that so many people actually have to "ask" this question.it's not something like, "hey should i stay in school or play poker professionally?!!?!" like, wtf. If someone says yes/no are you going to base your decision off that? if so, don't even ask. and i doubt most people who decide to play for a living, really have to ask. you just know. ideally, if you are leaving school to play poker you are doing it cause you enjoy the game enough to see yourself doing it for the next 10-15 years of your life, where you are going to earn x amount of dollars and ideally, invest %'s of your winnings. But meh, the whole debate/theory behind it just seems so basic that people who are in college, but can't see the reward of getting a degree, going thru the process, as opposed to dropping out and playing for a living, probably have no idea of what playing for a living really is. i mean, i don't, and i feel like i've thought about this shit extensively...so excuse my first "yawn" comment...but i really lol at people who think after a few tourney scores, or a few months of success, that they are ready to drop out of school and play for a living and for the rest of their lives. just seems like a foolish and immature way to look at. but hey, that's me. ive already dropped outta school once, and it wasn't for or because of poker.- Jordan

[ThePhoenix88 0]

This artcle is sh1t. who fcuking execpz peoples to listen. word. soochol isnt imp0rtant. word. c0ngratz on teh finzish but youre teh ghey.That was hard to type. Word.I do think that what you're saying is true to a certain extent, but I don't agree with all of it.

[Chicago99 0]

I didn't read the article that carefully, BUT:The absolute best time of my life was in college. Who cannot like being surrounded by tons of people your age, drinking, etc. Do you hate going to class???? Of course. Everyone does. Even good students.Seriously, you will never find yourself in a situation again where you can be young, have so much in front of you, and have so much fun.If you are good at poker, great! But, why quit school? Play poker, hang out with your friends, and enjoy your late teens and early twenties...you won't get another chance to do that.My point isn't based on an education (which is still valid). It's based on a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be surrounded by friends your age without any real pressure. I've completed college. I've completed grad school. I've played online poker since the boom.You will have a lifetime to play poker. You will have 15 years or so to go to grad school (without being one of the weirdos who's really old in grad school). You will only have ONE chance to be a college student the same age as your peers.

[El Guapo 8]

I didn't read the article that carefully, BUT:The absolute best time of my life was in college. Who cannot like being surrounded by tons of people your age, drinking, etc. Do you hate going to class???? Of course. Everyone does. Even good students.Seriously, you will never find yourself in a situation again where you can be young, have so much in front of you, and have so much fun.If you are good at poker, great! But, why quit school? Play poker, hang out with your friends, and enjoy your late teens and early twenties...you won't get another chance to do that.My point isn't based on an education (which is still valid). It's based on a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be surrounded by friends your age without any real pressure. I've completed college. I've completed grad school. I've played online poker since the boom.You will have a lifetime to play poker. You will have 15 years or so to go to grad school (without being one of the weirdos who's really old in grad school). You will only have ONE chance to be a college student the same age as your peers.

Whats old in grad school? My mother in law got her masters and 50 and now she is a Pysicians Assistan making over 100K a year, prior to that she was Office Manger for a doctor lucky to get 12 bucks an hour.

[Royal_Tour 0]

I didn't read the article that carefully, BUT:The absolute best time of my life was in college. You will have a lifetime to play poker. You will have 15 years or so to go to grad school (without being one of the weirdos who's really old in grad school). You will only have ONE chance to be a college student the same age as your peers.

QFThonestly, even if you make 20k a month playing online poker, take a few hours a week off to enroll into college just for the experience.College/University is pretty much a must have IMO, regardless what you plan to do for hte rest of your life, its a social tool, a networking tool, a universal experience tool... (if that makes sense) and to top it off, you'll have the ability to say, I have a degree from...... or Ya i took such and such

[Chicago99 0]

Whats old in grad school? My mother in law got her masters and 50 and now she is a Pysicians Assistan making over 100K a year, prior to that she was Office Manger for a doctor lucky to get 12 bucks an hour.

Look, I'm not sure you understood my point. Yes, you can make a lot of money out of grad school. Why else go? My point was that young people (i.e. 17-22) have only one chance to have fun in college. I would gladly trade my salary to be 15 years younger and be in college all over again.Seriously, you have your whole life to make money. You only get one shot at being young and in college.

[El Guapo 8]

Look, I'm not sure you understood my point. Yes, you can make a lot of money out of grad school. Why else go? My point was that young people (i.e. 17-22) have only one chance to have fun in college. I would gladly trade my salary to be 15 years younger and be in college all over again.Seriously, you have your whole life to make money. You only get one shot at being young and in college.

I'm not sure you understood mine, I am not disagreeing with you about that, You said something about being the old guy in grad school. I want to know what you consider old for grad school. Because most people in grad school, unless they are luck enough to have the time/finances to do it right after undergrad are in their 30's in grad school from what I have seen.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

i hated schooldrop out and run in traffic who cares

[Jordan 1]

i really hope that i enjoy all stages of my life and dont want to go back to when i was in "college" as those were the "golden" days or w/e.not a jab at any of you older guys that do, as i know what you mean by looking back at those days and wanting to go back...but my outlook on life, i hope to be, is that im doing something i enjoy at all times of my life, not that is always possible...but i hop e that as i get older, ya the younger times were fun, but so the maturing process and whatever isn't a total bummer and you can make of it what you want.maybe that's idealist...but that's my aim.and if i weren't in school right now i'd be traveling around for a while and doing whatever, but that's just me and what i enjoy doing...and hopefully will have bits and pieces of that in my future after i graduate (i'd like to work and travel outside the states for a while after i grad).i feel like i didn't explain this well at all.- Jordan

[Chicago99 0]

I'm not sure you understood mine, I am not disagreeing with you about that, You said something about being the old guy in grad school. I want to know what you consider old for grad school. Because most people in grad school, unless they are luck enough to have the time/finances to do it right after undergrad are in their 30's in grad school from what I have seen.

What!I did a JD-MBA full time and a partime Master's in CS. The average age for JD had to be 24-25, the average age for MBA 28 or so, and the average age for CS 25 or so.I can only think of 2 people who were older than 30 when they started (several were 30 or 31 when they graduated).But, to say that the average person starting grad school is in their 30's is inaccurate, at least where I went to school.

[doublemeup 0]

For those of you who missed it, here is where you can find my crucial advice for the young ones:http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/artic...-stay-in-schoolIf you are going to flame, please use proper spelling and correct grammar.-Viking145

I take offense to that statement.

[Zach6668 513]

Jordan.You're deep.<3

[El Guapo 8]

What!I did a JD-MBA full time and a partime Master's in CS. The average age for JD had to be 24-25, the average age for MBA 28 or so, and the average age for CS 25 or so.I can only think of 2 people who were older than 30 when they started (several were 30 or 31 when they graduated).But, to say that the average person starting grad school is in their 30's is inaccurate, at least where I went to school.

Maybe, but I graduated from college at 24, I was young for most of my classes and that was undergrad. The days of 18 year olds goinf striaght to school and getting out in 4 years in almost over. I only know one person who graduated in 4 years. and she did 18 units a semester and summer school, didn't work and parents paid for everything.The only way I see what you are describing at your major universites where the kids are on scholarship or have wealthy parents who can pay for them to go to shcool only + their living expenses.

[chgocubs99 0]

Maybe, but I graduated from college at 24, I was young for most of my classes and that was undergrad. The days of 18 year olds goinf striaght to school and getting out in 4 years in almost over. I only know one person who graduated in 4 years. and she did 18 units a semester and summer school, didn't work and parents paid for everything.The only way I see what you are describing at your major universites where the kids are on scholarship or have wealthy parents who can pay for them to go to shcool only + their living expenses.

I don't agree with this at all. I work with mostly young people and probably 75% of them at least had student loans to get through college. I went to a small school and 90%+ of the students were 18-22 years of age and almost everyone had a part time job and did not have their living expenses paid for at all. I can't speak for grad school students because I didn't go, but a quick google search showed Chicago's numbers to be pretty accurate. Also, I graduated in 4 years and took 15 hours every semester, and had to take two summer classes for two classes I dropped, and worked 20-30 hours ever week. I may be in the minority there but I can't imagine it's THAT rare.

[Balloon guy 158]

School = suckersBut it is the only way corp America can place a value on you as an unknown entity.Good luck, but school will hold you back from the real money.That's what the founder of Dell said in a commencment speech, not me.

[cubsfan44 0]

School = suckersBut it is the only way corp America can place a value on you as an unknown entity.Good luck, but school will hold you back from the real money.That's what the founder of Dell said in a commencment speech, not me.

As a college drop out and a business owner for 4 years I can safely say QFT

[Viking145 0]

I humbly submit gentlemen that the point of my piece is that it is not all about the money. There is a value to be placed on education that is not measured simply in dollars.(As an aside, it is going to be hard to effectively make the argument that school holds a person back from the "real money.")

[ROBBBIGG 0]

I humbly submit gentlemen that the point of my piece is that it is not all about the money. There is a value to be placed on education that is not measured simply in dollars.(As an aside, it is going to be hard to effectively make the argument that school holds a person back from the "real money.")

to say you can be successful without school in a certain field is not the same as saying college "holds you back" in that field

[scram 1]

Seriously, you will never find yourself in a situation again where you can be young, have so much in front of you, and have so much fun. You will only have ONE chance to be a college student the same age as your peers.

This is totally true."Youth is wasted on the young" , as they saying goes. By the time they realize it, it will be too late, as it was for the rest of us.One day, you're lining up 18 year old hotties two and three at a time to **** them over the back of a dorm couch, before you know it, the closest you get to girls like that without paying an hourly rate is internet porn.

[potatoman 0]

Although I'm sure I'd be a better player today had I starting playing poker at 18/19 instead of being 24/25, knowing myself now as well as I do, I am so glad I didn't play a hand of poker until after I graduated university. Had I discovered the game, there's no way I would have gotta the most out of my education/social life. Instead of burning all that thirst for knowledge stuff on my studies, I would have burned it (not to mention some of my student loan) on poker. I'd be a better player, but definitely a much more dull, shyer version of myself. To be honest, I would have had a hard time finishing my program (B- average or you're out) if I had poker on the brain.Also, 18-22 = less tilt control for sure...It would have taken me much longer to learn from my mistakes, they would have been more expensive and I'd be chasing after the money instead of concentrating on becoming a better player.Obviously, there are many extremely young, talented poker players thriving today. Some with more intelligence and maturity than I had when I was their age. But obviously there's a large number of young/immature players chasing pipe dreams, needlessly wasting money and time on a game, when they could be working hard to make themselves better people. Not for society's sake or some BS like that. But helping themselves become what it is they want to be. More confident. More intelligent. Less naive. More social. Whatever. University, college, etc, can help you achieve that kind of stuff.I wouldn't preach at the general poker population that dropping out of college to play poker is stupid or not a responsible decision. I could only recommend making that decision carefully, and as someone already mentioned, the poker game isn't going anywhere, and you may be better equipped to handle the financial and emotional swings of the game with a solid post-secondary education and a few more years of life experience.

[chgocubs99 0]

Although I'm sure I'd be a better player today had I starting playing poker at 18/19 instead of being 24/25, knowing myself now as well as I do, I am so glad I didn't play a hand of poker until after I graduated university. Had I discovered the game, there's no way I would have gotta the most out of my education/social life. Instead of burning all that thirst for knowledge stuff on my studies, I would have burned it (not to mention some of my student loan) on poker. I'd be a better player, but definitely a much more dull, shyer version of myself. To be honest, I would have had a hard time finishing my program (B- average or you're out) if I had poker on the brain.Also, 18-22 = less tilt control for sure...It would have taken me much longer to learn from my mistakes, they would have been more expensive and I'd be chasing after the money instead of concentrating on becoming a better player.Obviously, there are many extremely young, talented poker players thriving today. Some with more intelligence and maturity than I had when I was their age. But obviously there's a large number of young/immature players chasing pipe dreams, needlessly wasting money and time on a game, when they could be working hard to make themselves better people. Not for society's sake or some BS like that. But helping themselves become what it is they want to be. More confident. More intelligent. Less naive. More social. Whatever. University, college, etc, can help you achieve that kind of stuff.I wouldn't preach at the general poker population that dropping out of college to play poker is stupid or not a responsible decision. I could only recommend making that decision carefully, and as someone already mentioned, the poker game isn't going anywhere, and you may be better equipped to handle the financial and emotional swings of the game with a solid post-secondary education and a few more years of life experience.

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