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I love Shana as much as the next guy, but that show has to go. Its brutal!Mark
What's wrong with Poker After Dark?I like it. It's got players that most people wanna watch, solid production (maybe could change the commentator, but Nejad is 'ok' I suppose), pretty good banter, and yeah, Shana too.And for a single table SNG, the structure's fairly good too. Lots of play, and not just all-ins.. like a lot of the WPT final tables.
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Poker After Dark is probably some of the best televised tournament poker coverage ever. We get to see pretty much every hand, the structure's not bad, we're not distracted by sideshows, and it provides a lot of content (new episode almost every night).Also, from what I understand, Fox Sports is still going to be doing Aussie Millions.If we could get EPT televised in the US, that'd be excellent.

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From a Global perspective, poker is continuing to grow at a rapid pace. While things in the U.S. may seem stagnant, despite what many Americans would like to believe, it really isn't the center of the universe :-) As for poker on TV in the U.S. there is still TOO MUCH of it, although the stuff that's going to remain on television should be higher quality:WSOPWPTPoker After DarkHigh Stakes PokerHeads Up Poker ChampionshipChinese Strip Poker (Starring Benyamine, Hellmuth, Raymer, and Matusow) Do we really need much more than that?
Nope, that covers it.
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I like PAD though the structure seems highly contrived. It's slow at first and then when they get in the number of hours they need blinds double every 3rd hand or something.I liked UPC: Cash Poker too. Sort of Live at the Bike kind of feel to it but they had some great commentary (occasionally).Honestly I can mostly live without WPT. They don't show a whole lot of poker and what they do is mostly all-in battles. USPC was better in my opinion though ESPN in general spends far too much time on the "characters" and to little time on the poker itself.Really the reason for declining poker on TV isn't because of declining interest it's because of declining sponsorship. With the online sites no longer throwing dollars at the networks the networks have little reason to show poker. If online poker is ever legalized in the US I'd expect the sponsors to return.

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What's wrong with Poker After Dark?I like it. It's got players that most people wanna watch, solid production (maybe could change the commentator, but Nejad is 'ok' I suppose), pretty good banter, and yeah, Shana too.And for a single table SNG, the structure's fairly good too. Lots of play, and not just all-ins.. like a lot of the WPT final tables.
I want to smash my head against the TV sometimes watching it. I think the commentary is horrible, and unless there are decent personalities at the table the table talk is usually dumb/boring. I enjoy when some of the older players are on and tell stories about stuff, or whatever. I think the women's table that one week could have been the worst week of televised poker ever :)That being said, I've never missed an episode. But I think that speaks more to my degeneracy.... :)I will never understand why people like PAD, but I know a lot of you donks do so I'm ok with it staying on. Poker Superstars on the other hand has GOT TO GO! ;)And I agree, if we could get HSP franchised kind of like Law and Order:HSPHSP Mega High Stakes $500K buyin minHSP OmahaHSP HorseetcThis would be the nuts for sure. I would need a bigger Tivo to hold it all.Mark
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From a Global perspective, poker is continuing to grow at a rapid pace. While things in the U.S. may seem stagnant, despite what many Americans would like to believe, it really isn't the center of the universe :-) As for poker on TV in the U.S. there is still TOO MUCH of it, although the stuff that's going to remain on television should be higher quality:WSOPWPTPoker After DarkHigh Stakes PokerHeads Up Poker Championship Do we really need much more than that?
True that poker is now growing on a more global level but that is typical of most trends that seem to peak overseas years after they've move through the U.S. I think it is great to see more global expansion, especially for those folks that can travel over there to play on a regular basis (i.e. pros ). But for most of us, the market here seems to be stagnanting, and declining indeed. The US poker community is in a contraction phase and I think that a lot of the easy money and fishyness has been replaced by tougher games overall. It seems that most of the casual interest, the "hey man, look at that clown! he just won several million!!! I can do that!!!" players are long gone now, and what we have left are mostly pretty serious, well educated players.And that was the main point of my comment ... that the decline of entertainment type poker shows is indicitive that the US decline is real. Better players know many of those shows sucked and were of low quality.In spite of the decline however, the overall the poker community is bigger than it's ever been. And I don't see the game ever going away. I just think that it's going to be a tougher crowd for a while.
Poker After Dark is probably some of the best televised tournament poker coverage ever. We get to see pretty much every hand, the structure's not bad, we're not distracted by sideshows, and it provides a lot of content (new episode almost every night).Also, from what I understand, Fox Sports is still going to be doing Aussie Millions.If we could get EPT televised in the US, that'd be excellent.
Agree, although PAD did get brutal at times.
I want to smash my head against the TV sometimes watching it. I think the commentary is horrible, and unless there are decent personalities at the table the table talk is usually dumb/boring. I enjoy when some of the older players are on and tell stories about stuff, or whatever. I think the women's table that one week could have been the worst week of televised poker ever :DThat being said, I've never missed an episode. But I think that speaks more to my degeneracy.... :DI will never understand why people like PAD, but I know a lot of you donks do so I'm ok with it staying on. Poker Superstars on the other hand has GOT TO GO! ;)And I agree, if we could get HSP franchised kind of like Law and Order:HSPHSP Mega High Stakes $500K buyin minHSP OmahaHSP HorseetcThis would be the nuts for sure. I would need a bigger Tivo to hold it all.Mark
LOL!. me too..... :club:
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Its just that they will take taxes out at 25% when you cash in a tourney, instead of you having to pay it later. It might have some weird implications for people that get staked, or stake people. But I don't think it makes any difference to most people, unless there is something about it I don't understand. I'm sure P5s has a writeup by now on it in their Taxes section.Mark
I don't mean to harp back to this point but that is obsurd. I heard that there was a new 25% tax coming in but taxing you as soon as you cash? How is that possible? I thought it should be taxed when you cash out, as unless I'm mistaken you can claim back your tournament buy-ins, and if you were to use that money for bigger tournament buy-ins you now couldn't. Also, I live in England, and as this is (as far as I'm aware) a strictly US tax, what happens to us foreigners who play on FT, Stars, etc?I don't mean to sound like I'm directly asking you, NoSup, I'm just venting and hoping someone can shed some light on the situation.
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<snip>And I agree, if we could get HSP franchised kind of like Law and Order:HSPHSP Mega High Stakes $500K buyin minHSP OmahaHSP HorseetcThis would be the nuts for sure. I would need a bigger Tivo to hold it all.Mark
This would be sick.Get it done please Mark!Kthxbye.
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It's not a new tax. The casinos are just going to withhold 25%. That just means they take the tax you were supposed to be paying anyway upfront. You can get some of it back if they withhold too much. And I'm pretty sure it applies only to live play in US casinos for US players.As for as TV shows go CPS was probably the best for bringing bad players to the game since it was interesting to non poker players and most of them really could play better than the people on TV.

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It's not a new tax. The casinos are just going to withhold 25%. That just means they take the tax you were supposed to be paying anyway upfront. You can get some of it back if they withhold too much. And I'm pretty sure it applies only to live play in US casinos for US players.
Ok, fair enough. I thought it was online as well.
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Ok, fair enough. I thought it was online as well.
Sorry about that, I probably didn't explain well. Didn't mean to scare anyone. Yeah like John said, its just a use law, for live tourneys. Not cash games, and not online stuff. And you have to pay that tax anyway, cause right now they report that tourney score to the IRS, so you have to claim it when you do your taxes anyway. This is just a way for the govt to get their money from you faster... :)Mark
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OK, since we are on the subject of taxes, I have a question. How do the taxes work if I win something online? As these sites are not in the US, is any winnings reported to the IRS? If so, is it when you win or when you cash out? Not that I have won tons, but I have cashed out a couple thousand this year and have seen no mention of taxes. If they do not report this to the IRS, do I still owe tax?

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OK, since we are on the subject of taxes, I have a question. How do the taxes work if I win something online? As these sites are not in the US, is any winnings reported to the IRS? If so, is it when you win or when you cash out? Not that I have won tons, but I have cashed out a couple thousand this year and have seen no mention of taxes. If they do not report this to the IRS, do I still owe tax?
Ahhhhhh...the ULTIMATE high stakes gam-boooooooool, lol. :club:
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OK, since we are on the subject of taxes, I have a question. How do the taxes work if I win something online? As these sites are not in the US, is any winnings reported to the IRS? If so, is it when you win or when you cash out? Not that I have won tons, but I have cashed out a couple thousand this year and have seen no mention of taxes. If they do not report this to the IRS, do I still owe tax?
You know Al Capone went to prison for not paying tax on his earnings from prostitution, illegal gambling halls, and boot legging. Not for doing those things, for not paying taxes on the money he made from doing those things.I hire mechanics to fix my car, cause they are good at it.The IRS is good at getting what's owed to them. Very good.They are slow, but they are good.My bet that the future of poker in the next 2-3 years is the number of online players that get hit with huge tax bills, then when they pull out money to pay the taxes, they get taxed again for that money. Uncle Sam's rake is 38-50% for people making over $150K(?) a year depending on where you live.Be afraid of the tax monster. and vote republican
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From a Global perspective, poker is continuing to grow at a rapid pace. While things in the U.S. may seem stagnant, despite what many Americans would like to believe, it really isn't the center of the universe :-) As for poker on TV in the U.S. there is still TOO MUCH of it, although the stuff that's going to remain on television should be higher quality:WSOPWPTPoker After DarkHigh Stakes PokerHeads Up Poker Championship Do we really need much more than that?
we are, and no one else can tell us otherwise. You need to get back here, those Europeans have been rubbing off on you too much!
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Well I am just a causual player, not doing it for a living or making any kind of big bucks like that. I think I have a profit total so far this year of maybe 2K. This is just a rough estimate as I do not keep any sort of official records of this. I guess it's time for me to start keeping a log. Thanks for all of your input.

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