bdc30 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Hey, I finally dodged a flush..This time he hits the 4...faaaaaaaakFull Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $35.40Hero: $24.65CO: $26.55Button: $51.65SB: $21.30BB: $30.45Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q Q J 9 UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: 9 4 J ($2.8, 3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2.8, Button folds, SB raises to $11.2, Hero raises all-in $23.8, SB calls all-in $9.25.Uncalled bets: $3.35 returned to Hero. Turn: 4 ($43.7, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $43.7)River: T ($43.7, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $43.7)Results:Final pot: $43.7Hero showed Qh Qc Jd 9sSB showed 4c 9d 5d Ac Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Author Share Posted August 12, 2007 Bleh. I don't mind the beats and coolers as much as I despise the extended periods where you just raise preflop and have to fold the flop, or you flop a set and have to fold when the straight hits the turn. You end up leaking chips very quickly and there's nothing you can do. After a reasonable start, that's what my session has descended to. Long periods of not winning pots. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I have to post this hand: I played it *sooo* horribly, that after the river, I just started laughing uncontrollably (think of the "weed brownies, high stakes poker" Youtube video for a mental picture of my reaction to the river card). PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)saw flop|saw showdownHero ($350.80)UTG ($268)MP ($263.50)CO ($536.70)Button ($989.65)SB ($284)Preflop: Hero is BB with , , , . 4 folds, SB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.Flop: ($24) , , (2 players)SB bets $20, Hero raises to $60, SB calls $40.Turn: ($144) (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $100, SB raises to $212, Hero calls $112.River: ($568) (2 players)Final Pot: $568Results below: SB has 5s Kd Js 2c (two pair, kings and jacks). Hero has [3d Qh Ah 4c] (a Royal Flush)Outcome: Hero wins $568. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Quick question Omaholics...Is it generally not a good idea to play hold em' and omaha at the same time? Not generally at the same time, but for example I play for a couple hours on omaha then jump into a hold em' MTT... I've made money in Omaha but I'm in my worst slump for tourneys, haven't cashed in 16 straight..-Ian Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Author Share Posted August 13, 2007 It depends on the individual.FWIW I don't usually have a problem transitioning between the two games if it's cash -> cash or tourney -> tourney, but going from PLO cash to NLHE tourney and back can take a little time to adjust. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 So that's what a two-outer feels like. Insta-tilt.PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)saw flop|saw showdownHero ($386.40)BB ($527.10)UTG ($181.50)MP ($1366.85)Button ($651.20)Preflop: Hero is SB with , , , . UTG raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero calls $12, BB calls $10.Flop: ($42) , , (3 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $40, Hero calls $40, BB folds.Turn: ($122) (2 players)Hero bets $80, UTG raises to $127.5, Hero calls $47.50.River: ($377) (2 players)Final Pot: $377Results below: Hero has [Kh 5h 4d 6d] (a full house, Sixes full of Fives)UTG has [Ac Tc 5s Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Sixes)Outcome: UTG wins $377. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 It took all of *one* round to get it back from the same villain from the above post. Pity, I was *just* about to reload.PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)saw flop|saw showdownHero ($210.90)UTG ($309)MP ($416)Button ($1360.85)SB ($697.20)Preflop: Hero is BB with , , , . UTG calls $4, 1 fold, Button raises to $16, SB calls $14, Hero raises to $68, UTG calls $64, Button calls $52, SB calls $52.Flop: ($272) , , (4 players)SB checks, Hero bets $142.9 (All-In), UTG raises to $241, Button folds, SB folds.Turn: ($557.80) (2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($557.80) (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $459.70Results below:Hero has [4h As Qh Ad] (a flush, Ace high)UTG mucked [Ac 9d Kh Tc] (two pair, Aces and Tens)Outcome: Hero wins $557.80. UTG wins $98.10. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Quads finally gets paid - weeeeFull Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $30.25UTG+1: $24.05CO: $21.75Hero: $22.70SB: $82.10BB: $17.40Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A 5 K T UTG raises to $0.85, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.Flop: Q K K ($3.5, 4 players)BB checks, UTG bets $2.2, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, BB folds.Turn: K ($10.1, 3 players)UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $10.1, Hero calls, UTG folds.River: J ($30.3, 2 players)UTG+1 is all-in $10.9, Hero calls all-in $9.55.Uncalled bets: $1.35 returned to UTG+1.Results:Final pot: $49.4UTG+1 showed Qh 7s 6s QsHero showed Ad 5d Kc Tc Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Fk this game. I can't hit when I'm drawing, They fkin never miss when I have the hand...faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaackFull Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $56.15UTG+1: $24.80CO: $34.05Button: $33.35Hero: $34.85BB: $63Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with Q Q A J UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, Hero calls, BB raises to $3.25, UTG calls, Hero calls.Flop: T 7 K ($9.75, 3 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $9.75, Hero raises all-in $31.6, BB folds, UTG calls.Turn: 6 ($72.95, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $72.95)River: T ($72.95, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $72.95)Results:Final pot: $72.95Hero showed Qh Qd Ac JcUTG showed 9c 4h Kh Kd Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Seriously thinking of playing sit n go's or holdem for a while... I can't take these beats, look at what this guy calls with on the flop and turn.Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $11.80UTG+1: $114.90CO: $25Button: $22.45SB: $18.10Hero: $40.25Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 6 9 6 Q UTG calls, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.Flop: 6 9 2 ($0.75, 3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, UTG calls, SB folds.Turn: 5 ($2.25, 2 players)Hero bets $2.25, UTG calls.River: A ($6.75, 2 players)Hero bets $3.35, UTG raises all-in $8.55, Hero calls.Results:Final pot: $23.85UTG showed 9s Ad Qs 7hHero mucks 6c 9d 6s Qc Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 *sigh*4 to 1 favourite on flop...PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)saw flop|saw showdownHero ($805.45)Button ($499)SB ($351.20)BB ($153.40)UTG ($214)Preflop: Hero is MP with , , , . 1 fold, Hero calls $4, Button raises to $18, 1 fold, BB calls $14, Hero calls $14.Flop: ($56) , , (3 players)BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $20, BB folds, Hero raises to $114, Button calls $94.Turn: ($284) (2 players)Hero bets $282, Button raises to $367, Hero calls $85.River: ($1018) (2 players)Final Pot: $1018Results below:Hero has [Qh Kc Qd 4c] (a full house, Queens full of Aces)Button has [Kh 3s Ah Qc] (a full house, Aces full of Queens)Outcome: Button wins $1018. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 I thought I was beaten here when I saw the river, til I realized I had 3's full. Something almost got broken...What do you guys think of the turn shoveling?Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $19.70UTG+1: $40CO: $54.95Button: $62.40SB: $41.55Hero: $49.25Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 3 3 Q J UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.Flop: 8 3 K ($2.5, 5 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $1.25, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG folds.Turn: 2 ($7.5, 4 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $7.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $30, UTG+1 raises all-in $38.25, Hero calls.River: 2 ($84, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $84)Results:Final pot: $84Hero showed 3s 3d Qh JdUTG+1 showed Kc 2s 7d 4d Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 I am on ***SUPER MONKEY TILT*** right now.I am getting owned by the ***BIGGEST FISH*** on stars right now. He's playing 93/9/0.7 through 42 hands. Calls *everything*, raises *only* when he has a *monster hand*......and yet he has taken me for $1,400 so far...*sigh*EDIT: He just took $500 off some one else. Man he is *luck*-owning this tableEDIT 2: He just busted a tight shark for $500.i swear, this guy runs hotter than Mark! Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Played ~800 hands of $50 plo. I much prefer that level to $25, for a number of reasons. Bigger pots, more players putting money in the middle, looser play in general.. $25 can be pretty nitty. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Is it even worth raising with aces in low limit omaha?Aces have only won 3 times the past 10 hands I have been dealt them... Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Author Share Posted August 13, 2007 Is it even worth raising with aces in low limit omaha?Aces have only won 3 times the past 10 hands I have been dealt them...It depends on the rest of your raising range. If you're raising a wide range then raise aces almost every time. If you're not raising much preflop then limping is ok with trashier aces (AA72 rainbow for example).A sample size of 10 isn't nearly enough to give any indication whatsoever of how well/badly you are playing AAxx, but I'm sure you realise that. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 It depends on the rest of your raising range. If you're raising a wide range then raise aces almost every time. If you're not raising much preflop then limping is ok with trashier aces (AA72 rainbow for example).A sample size of 10 isn't nearly enough to give any indication whatsoever of how well/badly you are playing AAxx, but I'm sure you realise that.Oh I know that.... I just like to bitch and complain..Generally i'm not very agressive pre-flop.. I raise my big hands and occasionally get clever with a modest hand, lol those are the ones that usually generate the most profit...Here's a good example.. Just got Dealt Ad2dAc5c in EP... Didn't raise this time, straight cards fell on the flop, had to dump it to betting.. sigh.. at least i got away cheaply.. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 That's one thing I'd like to get MORE aggressive with it raising preflop. What types of hands do you guys raise? I've got about 6k hands in this month, and my pfr is only around 6%. I think it should be higher at these games and limits. I'm running about 27/6/1.7 fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 I love raising with double suited connectors.. hmm those are deliciousQuestion... How do I get PokerEv to work.. or how do I load my hands on to it? Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 PokerEV takes your hands directly from your pokertracker database - do you use PTO?Pahud is another tool I've found greatly useful.I know what you're saying about raising double suited connectors and such. Where I fall off is what to do when faced with either a re-pot, or on a whiffed flop. Usually I just check/fold, but I'm wondering if a little more wreckless aggression can get paid off enough to make it worthwhile. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 PokerEV takes your hands directly from your pokertracker database - do you use PTO?Pahud is another tool I've found greatly useful.I know what you're saying about raising double suited connectors and such. Where I fall off is what to do when faced with either a re-pot, or on a whiffed flop. Usually I just check/fold, but I'm wondering if a little more wreckless aggression can get paid off enough to make it worthwhile.Ahhhh it needs pokertracker.. i need to get that first and foremost.. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Author Share Posted August 13, 2007 Sorry, I just feel an insatiable need to point this out - Reckless means 'indifferent to or disregardful of consequences'.Wreckless means 'without a wreck'.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I will open raise with hands like AsJcTs5d (three high cards with a suited ace) in most positions, or with hands like 5689ss. If I'm against a LAG player (over about 15% PFR) I will also consider reraising these hands in position. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 LMAO..Played for 3 hours today.. lost another 3 buy ins..Only got 50 bucks left on AP... not enough to play any omaha..Simply ridiculous.. 1 guy took 2 of the buy ins by calling with absolutely nothing on the flops and backdooring flushes each time.. Last time I am dealt KK1010ss hit the second nut flush on the river, he hits runner runner for the nut flush.. of course I go broke... Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 One for bud&simo...Normally I'm 4-tabling $25max, but last night I was 2-tabling $50 max. I find that accomplishes two things - one, I pay more attention to the table that I'm on and two - it holds my interest more, since the stakes are a little higher and I can pay closer attention with less tables on the go.Does this way of thinking make any sense? What's the potential effect on rakeback and bonuses by playing this way - does it make any difference at all? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Author Share Posted August 13, 2007 You're far more likely to go broke playing 2 $50 tables than with 4 $25 tables.I don't know how it will impact rakeback though. Link to post Share on other sites
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