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[sloshr 0]

In California it is very common for a player to bluff and muck when called. If this leaves one player in the showdown, he wins. I have seen this hundreds of times. Any player may request to see the hand, but if that is not done, the winner has no obligation to show.Also, you cannot "play the board" without showing your cards. If you muck, and someone else shows their hand, you lose. The application of these rules combined mean that, at least in California, in a heads up pot, if you claim you are playing the board and muck your cards, and the other player is still holding his cards, he actually wins without showing his cards, even if the board is AKQJT. Usually, however, the dealer will protect you and tell you to show your cards.

[aadams_22 3]

I'm pretty sure in a hold'em tournament you have to show two cards to win any part of the pot at showdown.

the other guy mucked therefore there is no showdown. he has relinquished his right to any part of the pot

ding ding ding

[Dogpatch 2]

no love for this?? NH

Plenty of love, see my sig.AND ARE WE REALLY STILL DISCUSSING THIS SHIT!!!If only one player has cards.... THAT PLAYER WINS THE POT!!!!!!!

[GabeTheKid 0]

I was playing a home game the other night with people who have been playing poker for 3-4 years now, so we all should know the general rules of the game...or so I thought. I was definitely confused at this ruling, but maybe I'm just an idiot.I'll start out with useless information just to set the situation up. We were playing a 6 handed table in the middle stages of a 27-person tournament. I'm on the button, and everyone limps around to me. I look down at AA and limp like an idiot (but that's not the point here). The BB raises to 4x the BB, and it folds around to me, and I call...SB folds. The flop comes TT3 rainbow, and he bets out and I call being weary that he might have hit trips. Turn is a blank, and we both check (now I'm not sure what he's doing). River is another blank, no flush draws or straight draws on the board, but he bets half his stack. I think about it for a bit since the checking on the turn showed some weakness in his hand (maybe he has a 3 or low pocket pair). I finally say "This may be a very stupid call, but I'm gonna make it. I call." At that point he instamucks his hand, pretty much letting me know he was completely bluffing at it and was embarrased to show whatever junk he was holding. At that point I assume the pot is mine and throw my cards in face down while reaching for all the chips. An old guy at the table stops me dead. "Son, you mucked your hand too. Neither one of you wins the hand. It's a split pot." I couldn't tell what other people though about it, but of course the guy who mucked first agreed with the old guy. It was still early in the game, and I didn't want to be a whiny ***** at the table, so I let it go since I got my chips back.I can't seem to think that's a good ruling, but then again that's the first time someone's ever mucked at a showdown. According the tournament rules, do you have to table the winning hand at showdown or can you muck after the hand is what I considered dead? With my thinking, once he threw in his cards, the pot was mine.

first off, that's about the most passive way you can play AA (aka. worst way to play AA ever). About the ruling, I don't think he should get half the pot although i'm not sure of the actual rule in that situation.

[Money022 0]

Not sure if this was already mentioned as I only read the first page. There was a hand in HSP where the Unibomber was in this same situation. A player bet the river, Phil Laak calls. His opponent intantly mucked his hand and the dealer started pushing the chips to Phil. Phil then threw his hand into the other cards face down. DN then chimed in and told Phil he had to show his hand and Phil grabbed the pile of cards and fished out his hand showing it face up. The commentators mentioned that some rooms require the player who's taking down the pot to show their hand while others do not. Regardless I believe Phil would have still taken down the pot as his opponent clearly mucked his hand first.Either way I think in this situation the pot should go to the player who mucked their hand last. It's clear the opponent in either situation has conceded the pot and it shouldn't matter if the winning player shows their cards or not. Even if it's not the winning hand, the first player has made the mistake of not tabling their cards and given themselves a chance to win.

[Foulky 0]

^^^^^^^Already explained this, and still waiting for a comment.

I have two questions to ask on this topic #1 does that fact that this is a MTT and not a cash game effect the ruling at all_ Because from what I know you have to show a winning hand in a tourney to win a pot because this prevents against collusion forms like chip dumping. As you all know in a tourney a pot against two players affects all the players at the table as well as in the entire tourney. In cash games thats not the case, the other players at the table are not negatively effected by chip dumping. In a tourney like the OP was playing I believe the ruling would be a split pot, but maybe not.·2 I don´t remember but I believe in Season Two of High Stakes Poker Phil Laak played a pot against Minh LY, and Minh bluffed the river and Phil called, and Minh mucked his had, and as the dealer was pushing him the pot Phil also mucked his hand without showing. Daniel then interjected that Phil had to show a winning hand, so Phil reached for his cards and turned his hand over. And no one disagreed with what Daniel said. That was a cash game in Vegas, so I would expect that Daniel would know the rule... but maybe not, idk just wondering. Opinions would be appreciated.

[13CARDS 0]

#1. Cash game or tournament play, doesn't matter, in a conceeded pot, the last player with cards wins the entire pot. No one that mucked their hand may lay claim to any portion of a pot. If only one person has cards remaining, AT ANY TIME DURING THE HAND (including SHOWDOWN), that person wins the pot. I cannot seriously believe there are poker players on this forum (and others!) arguing this point.#2. Let's remember one thing about televised poker... it IS television! There are a lot of things that you witness on HSP that would not normally happen in a regular game. Players handling the deck, handling each others cards, running it twice, etc... these things do not happen tyoically in a B&M. People that try these things in my poker room soon learn they are not DN, Eli, Antonio or Phil (any of the Phils!).

[Boxster 0]

el oh el muckamentsI've been in situations where people give their perspective of a ruling.. one that they "heard at the casino" or "heard at another home game" and if it's not something I've heard to be true unanimously on these forums or in the countless poker articles I've read... I will argue my case till the bitter end. I would honestly request my buy-in back and leave. I suppose in your case it depends on the relationship you have with people in this game, but man... what an idiotic ruling.If that old guy would have told me that, I would have laughed so hard, and raked in the pot. I wouldn't even have given his comment any thought... hoping he was joking.

What a stupid ruling. I would totally agree with you. I would get up and ask for my buy in back and just leave with this stupid ruling.

[Hockey Guy 4]

Actually went to the Casino last night and this happened to me. The dealer wanted me to show my cards & i refused(no other player asked or cared). he called the floorman over we explained the situation of what happened and he ruled in my favor with a chuckle i might add. i took the pot & didn't show

[myenemy 0]

LESSON:Do not give the dealer your cards until the dealer has given you the pot. Wordds to live by...in poker and in purchasing narcotics!

... So as soon as there is only one person left at the table with live cards he automatically has to win the pot, I can see no other logical outcome here, because any other solution would be awarding part of the pot to a person without live cards.

I agree with both of the above BUT Ive heard it ruled, in a casino in AC, that with a called bet on the river, SOMEONE's hand must be tabled to ship the pot. PS. I didnt read past page 1 of this thread.

[13CARDS 0]

I agree with both of the above BUT Ive heard it ruled, in a casino in AC, that with a called bet on the river, SOMEONE's hand must be tabled to ship the pot.

So what would be done "in AC" if the OP situation happened? Just leave the chips for the next hand? Or chop the pot?

[Ryan_Sanders 0]

the other guy forfeited the pot by mucking his hand. it is now your choice whether or not you wish to showdown your hand. it's your pot either way.

EXACTLY