Limping Table

[wyo96 0]

Played in a .50 - $1 NL cash game last night. Buyin was $20 to $60 and it was 7-9 handed. Several people had bought in more than once and 3 players had $100+ in front of them.It seamed that 80% of the hands were limped. 7-9 to the flop, some one get lucky and win the pot. I continued to limp, even with poor hands. Any raise of less than $10 got 4-5 callers.Would you ever not limp in a table like this? Is the chance to hit a trash hand and win $25+ worth the risk?I limped along last night, but my trash hands never hit, and my good hands got ran over. I think I was ok to play along, but apprecate feed back. I will play again tonight.Any thoughts on a limp heavy table?Thanks.ps. you will see I don't have many posts, but I read parts of FCP every day.

[Dagata 0]

You could straddle when you can, or just bump it up, it looks like the game isnt being taken as seriously as it should.if you're getting so many limpers just keep bumping it up in later positions, they're playing so much junk, so if you get 6 other's in the pot, making it $10 to go isnt bad, because of all the dead money you're creating, since you'll take down most of them pots after the flop or even pre-flop, it should cover for you when they play back or you miss/they hitgetting people to straddle might help tighten the game up.

[Zach6668 513]

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO TIGHTEN THE GAME UP?!!??!?!!??!/1

[cubbybri 0]

Straddle is an option but I'm not overally familiar with games with straddles.I like seeing some flops but you should still be playing tighter than the table average. Dump the very junky and when you play specualtive hands... do it with decent position.Make sure you get value early with your premium hands.Be willing to play your strong draws hard as well.Variance is going to be high on these types of tables but if you play your nut making hands hard and are willing to get away from the OP and TP hands... when you do win, the pots should be huge and you should enjoy the fact that there is a lot of action.

[Zach6668 513]

You guys understand that straddling is designed to LOOSEN tighter tables... right?

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Since you no longer need to put your opponents on quality hands, you need to loosen your own starting range. I'd be raising a little more often than usual preflop, rather than just limping - this establishes your control. Also this helps ensure that when you DO catch quality cards you will be able to get some value from the hand. If you miss the Flop be prepared to cut & run - someone else likely did catch at least part of the Flop.

[wyo96 0]

Thanks for the feedback. Looks like I need to be more agressive, but the varience was brutal. I had the best hand on the flop several times and could not get people off of 2nd pair (2 pr by river) less than nut flush draws (10 6 suited) and gut shot straights. I think most of what I experienced was varience, but I will try some new ideas tonight.By the way this is a game in a bar, so the quality of play is BAD. I was one of two players who was not drunk. I know eventually my abilty will win out, but I have never played a table with so much limping.

[Zach6668 513]

You do NOT want them to fold 2nd pair! (as long as you're betting enough)

[Actuary 3]

You do NOT want them to fold 2nd pair! (as long as you're betting enough)

maybe OP tries to bluff with less than mid pair too often?*************if you want to play every hand, you need to consider all the money you put in post flop, chasing and/or betting with the worst hand.People think of limping in these multihand pots as only a one way street to massive implied odds. But, you better play good post flop or you'll spew and have no clue where you are in the hand

[timwakefield 68]

It sounds like you need to decide if you want to play friendly and mindless like they all seem to, or if you want to play poker to win some money. I'm not saying you should be all serious and break out the moneymaker sunglasses, but you can't be worried about what people will think about the crazy new guy who bets huge every time he bets and only sees 3 flop per orbit. If a $6 preflop raise gets 5 callers, make it $12 and always bet big when you hit. Also it sounds like you really need to buy in for the maximum, and be ready to rebuy.Note: If it's just a really friendly drunk-ass bar game then you should just have fun and donk it up for $20 .

[Abbaddabba 0]

If they're spreading .50/1 at a bar, it's a safe bet that it's raked heavily proportionate to the rake. The establishment has to justify the risk of running an underground cardroom, and trust me when i say that htey wont be doing this for a buck or two a hand. If what you posted isnt some serious levelling, it's safe bet that you're not that much better than the average player.And if you put two and two together, you get what will sure to be many frustrating nights of lost paycheques and bitter 'omg he's a donkey' rants.

[Actuary 3]

If they're spreading .50/1 at a bar, it's a safe bet that it's raked heavily proportionate to the rake. If what you posted isnt some serious levelling, it's safe bet that you're not much better than the average player.And if you put two and two together, you get what will sure to be many frustrating nights of lost paycheques and bitter 'omg he's a donkey' rants.

Hi playa

[Abbaddabba 0]

That was a classic 'abbaddabba' post, is what you're thinking.Yeah, it's a downer. But im not trying to be insulting. There're tons of underground games that are next to unbeatable because of the rake structure. 5/5NL 10% no cap rake actually exists. Proportionate to the stakes, im guessing this .50/1NL game could conceivably be worse. You have to start phrasing the rake in terms of BUYINS/100 instead of BB/100.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Doing the same thing as everyone else is a break-even proposition before rake. You should play a lot of hands if you're beating them with your post-flop play. Even under this theory, dump your k7o UTG and so forth. Beating them with superior preflop play is easy and profitable but maybe not optimal.

[wyo96 0]

FYI... It is a legal above ground game with no rake. Wyoming allows "home games" in bars and other establishments. It specifically does not allow the bar to take a rake, nor promote the game, just a allows players to get together at a public place. The bar may sell food and drinks to the players. This law just changed last year.Played again last night and had a better table, less limping and a little less chasing. I also play more agressive with good hands, thanks to the advise here yesterday. Was up 4 buyins in 4.5 hours.

[Zach6668 513]

Again, I'd like to clarify...Limping and chasing are two things that make a table good...

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Again, I'd like to clarify...Limping and chasing are two things that make a table good...

I was just about to post this almost verbatim.Why do people not seem to realize that: YOU WANT PEOPLE CHASING AND CALLING YOU WITH LESSER CARDS AND GENERALLY MAKING THE WRONG DECISIONS!?!?!?!?You want them "sucking out" because that means thay are making poor decisions that put them in positions where they HAVE to suck out and administer a "Bad Beat". If you do not understand this and ACTIVELY SEEK IT OUT - that fishy smell at your table is YOU.(Much more descriptive post than "+1")

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

I Guess I've Ranted on this before:http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...=77181&st=0

Sure this is the "Captian Obvious" observation of the day....but why do so many average players (I think the very good players understand long term +ev) hate playing with poor players? I was talking with a reasonably experienced player the other day about a local casino and he commented: "I don't like plaing there, too many lousy players - that gets realy old" He went on to say that he'd rather play at another casino where the players were better.Isn't that sort of the point?!? Finding poor players and taking their mobney at the tables?Ok, yes it is nice to be able to make a play and have the other player act as s/he "should" - instead of making a poor call and wind up rivering your butt. However, these are "opportunities" to teach them the wrong lesson. They learn to call you in the incorrect situations. That is just a temporary transfer of chips that'll be coming back as equilibrium will require.Thoughts?

[maniacinaction4 0]

just value bet when you have the nuts and DO NOT BLUFF, DOn't even try to!!!!! They're not losing anything, they will call you down with anything for their 3 or 4 dollars or so. Flop your sets, straights, and flushes, you'd get paid off.DO NOT BLUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[antistuff 0]

Played again last night and had a better table, less limping and a little less chasing. I also play more agressive with good hands, thanks to the advise here yesterday. Was up 4 buyins in 4.5 hours.

if you think that is a better table you have a very serious misunderstanding about poker.