LycoPoker54 0 Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 how do you guys play small/medium pocket pairs before the flop? will you always call a medium sized raise, or are there spots where you will fold to a 6X big blind bet? im really not sure how to play these, any help would be much appreciated Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 It depends.Seriously.Way to vague to answer.Poker is situational.Post specific hands in the appropriate forum. Link to post Share on other sites
LycoPoker54 0 Posted June 29, 2007 Author Share Posted June 29, 2007 i realize its a vague question. i was just wondering if there is any rule of thumb, or anything like that Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 There are no rules of thumb in poker.This is why we say "do not ask vague, unanswerable questions". Link to post Share on other sites
sixhands 0 Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 There are no rules of thumb in poker.This is why we say "do not ask vague, unanswerable questions".Why? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Cuz I said so?:PJust because, it's an exercise in futility to try to assign a preset series of rules to poker. Every single hand is different, and should be approached as such.Especially because I'm certain OP is talking about NLHE.Also, the fact that he even failed to enlighten us to which poker game he was talking about makes me think that he's narrowminded, or new to the game, and looking for that get rich quick thing, and a preset strategy that just doesn't exist. (This makes no sense to anyone but me because I worded it poorly... it's not an insult towards OP or anyone.) Link to post Share on other sites
LycoPoker54 0 Posted June 29, 2007 Author Share Posted June 29, 2007 i play .25/.50 NL on pokerstars, full ring. it was just a question, no need to jump down my throat and make assumptions about my game. we can just end this thread here, im clearly not going to get an answer. maybe this is because there is no answer, or because it varies too much. thanks anyway tho Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 That's my point.There is no answer because every situation is independent. Link to post Share on other sites
LycoPoker54 0 Posted June 29, 2007 Author Share Posted June 29, 2007 fair enough, thanks for your input Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Ok, to clear it up.You "could" come up with some set rules, but it would be selling yourself significantly short.Therefore, I tend to push the situational thing.It'll only take away from your development as a poker player to try to play by certain preset rules. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 I generally make sure they have 15-20 times the bet size to call the raise. I hate folding pairs preflop, I generally don't do it unless someone goes allin :)I think that is what you are looking for, but as Zach so astutely pointed out that is just a vague guideline. Link to post Share on other sites
sixhands 0 Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Cuz I said so?:PJust because, it's an exercise in futility to try to assign a preset series of rules to poker. Every single hand is different, and should be approached as such.Especially because I'm certain OP is talking about NLHE.Also, the fact that he even failed to enlighten us to which poker game he was talking about makes me think that he's narrowminded, or new to the game, and looking for that get rich quick thing, and a preset strategy that just doesn't exist. (This makes no sense to anyone but me because I worded it poorly... it's not an insult towards OP or anyone.)Hypothetically, if you made it a rule to always shove when you are facing one raise of 3 x the BB and you had enough chips to possibly induce a fold.What would the possible outcomes be or is this just a retarded question?Discuss Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Hypothetically, if you made it a rule to always shove when you are facing one raise of 3 x the BB and you had enough chips to possibly induce a fold.What would the possible outcomes be or is this just a retarded question?DiscussWell, it's certainly not unforseable that a certain "fixed" set of rules could produce a +EV return, however, my point is that it's almost certainly not going to produce the optimal result.I don't think there are any retarded questions. Some just are no answerable. Link to post Share on other sites
sixhands 0 Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 Well, it's certainly not unforseable that a certain "fixed" set of rules could produce a +EV return, however, my point is that it's almost certainly not going to produce the optimal result.I don't think there are any retarded questions. Some just are no answerable.I agree that it may not produce an optimal result in the long run. If you take a look at the SAGE theory though, that is based on certain "fixed" criteria and is expected to produce optimal results.This is of course counting on the fact that both players are abiding by these rules. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingman008 0 Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 Well, it's certainly not unforseable that a certain "fixed" set of rules could produce a +EV return, however, my point is that it's almost certainly not going to produce the optimal result.I don't think there are any retarded questions. Some just are no answerable.If the object of Poker is too make money, isn't any strategy that has a guaranteed +ev be the optimal one.If we treat every situation differently doesn't that significantly impact that % of time we are correct?While on some situations we may be more +ev (Does that make sense) other times wouldn't we be losing money? Link to post Share on other sites
pragtyro 0 Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 I don't think there are any retarded questions.Never worked in customer service eh? Link to post Share on other sites
T-Dot-poker 0 Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 Put it this way. If everyone limps in and you have a pocket pair....always raise it up to see where everyone really is. If anyone goes over the top all in....then lay it down. If not...you get your callers and see the flop. Once the flop comes (if you miss your card)...you fire another continuation bet...that must be big enough to represent a huge overpair. At that point it you see where your opponents are. However, it is situational because you don't know how they will react to your raises...but you still want to raise to see and then react to their responses. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 If the object of Poker is too make money, isn't any strategy that has a guaranteed +ev be the optimal one.multiple optimal strategies.okey dokey Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Never worked in customer service eh?lol, actually I did. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Cuz I said so?:PJust because, it's an exercise in futility to try to assign a preset series of rules to poker. Every single hand is different, and should be approached as such.Especially because I'm certain OP is talking about NLHE.Also, the fact that he even failed to enlighten us to which poker game he was talking about makes me think that he's narrowminded, or new to the game, and looking for that get rich quick thing, and a preset strategy that just doesn't exist. (This makes no sense to anyone but me because I worded it poorly... it's not an insult towards OP or anyone.)Zach likes to use big words Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Biggest problem with the OP - it doesn't say whether we're talking about ring games or tournaments. Also, who opens to 6x in a cash game online? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Calling 10% of your stack to hit a set is -EV against any opponent.Calling 5% is usually +EV against most opponents. Link to post Share on other sites
pocket3s 0 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 I try to limp and I will call for less than 7 percent of my chips. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Can you please stop bumping old *** threads?Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
cubbybri 0 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Can you please stop bumping old *** threads?Seriously.Thank you.i think someone is trying to make a rush for 200.I wonder why? Link to post Share on other sites
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