Jeepster80125 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Read critically, please.Who said he couldn't or shouldn't complain? I don't think 'irony' means what you think it means. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 It's not ironic if somebody does something, and then something very slightly similar happens to them at a much later date. You could chalk it up to 'justice' or 'karma' or something like that, but really it's just none of those things. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 It's not ironic if somebody does something, and then something very slightly similar happens to them at a much later date. You could chalk it up to 'justice' or 'karma' or something like that, but really it's just none of those things. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbywithani 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 That is not an example of irony at all, it was just a bad decision by the floor. It seems most people do not know what irony even is. I blame Alanis Morrissette. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 That is not an example of irony at all, it was just a bad decision by the floor. It seems most people do not know what irony even is. I blame Alanis Morrissette.One definition; "An outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been expected." Link to post Share on other sites
bobbywithani 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 One definition; "An outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been expected."How does that apply here? Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 How does that apply here?When reading the story, one might not have expected it to be someone who's admitted to unethical behavior on such a large scale*. *Not that he should've let the angle shooting go by while saying nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbywithani 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 When reading the story, one might not have expected it to be someone who's admitted to unethical behavior on such a large scale*. *Not that he should've let the angle shooting go by while saying nothing. No, that is just surprising, are mystery novels ironic? Link to post Share on other sites
sixhands 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 No, that is just surprising, are mystery novels ironic?only if you happen to be reading one on the way to committing a homicide ! Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 th Chier at the BP n gas staiotn otngiht didnt gli9veb me back 15 cents....i remenberes thi trhrea, and emjinde ohim of iy/../.olweeeeeeeeeeee Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 As played out as ZJ jokes are now, this one was still funny - from 2+2. can someone find out what % ZJ has of himself? i am quite curious. 600%? Link to post Share on other sites
dbrent2 0 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 As played out as ZJ jokes are now, this one was still funny - from 2+2.That is funny! Link to post Share on other sites
Lord_Strife 0 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 The biggest irony of it all is that none of this would happen if Harrah's would actually pay their dealers what they deserve and give the players respectable dealers in the box. As a dealer myself, there is absolutely no way in hell this should happen. The dealer should have made change before putting the river card out AND the floor person should always go to the dealer first and get the correct story so that the floor person can make the correct ruling. The amount of break in dealers at this year's series is a complete joke. Link to post Share on other sites
Exodustjs11 0 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Who cares if the guy multi accounted tourneys back in the day, its not like it has personally effected you guys and if it did then lol that sucks Link to post Share on other sites
mln_falcon 0 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Im getting tired of the guy that keeps posting his cartoons of the regulars in off-topic....Just look at poor Ron Mexico and renaedawn....tasteless!omg, LMAO Link to post Share on other sites
13CARDS 0 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I am waaay late on this, but: What did the dealer say in this? Did the dealer hear ZJ say "BET"? Although 3 other people may confirm that ZJ said "BET", the dealer needs to take a stand here on what he heard.If this was LIMIT poker, saying "BET" signifies an exact amount to be wagered. Verbal is binding. Players declare their intent to bet quite often in limit games before actually putting the chip(s) in; I know I do!! Whether or not ZJ had an oversized chip in from the previous street or not, by declaring "BET" obligates him to bet the amount of that street.If RW3 did not hear ZJ say "BET", and chose to check as he thought ZJ had done, the check would not be binding in any way; it never is. The only binding actions/declarations AFTER a bet is CALL, RAISE or FOLD. Check is not in the equation.Cards prematurely exposed (before the Floorman got there OR after) are not dead; RW3 should be warned/penalized for exposing cards with pending action AFTER the hand. RW3 would still be obligated to act (CALL/RAISE or FOLD) after ZJ's "BET".Is the basis of RW3's arguement is essentially that ZJ made an incoherent sound that RW3 took to mean "CHECK" and that lead to RW3 checking and then showing down the hand?? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 ^^^^Pure gold from 2p2. Link to post Share on other sites
GetSprung 0 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 ^^^^Pure gold from 2p2.Round of applause whoever made that. Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 ^^^^Pure gold from 2p2.The best part of this, is that they also put him sitting at the next table (top right hand corner). That's good attention to detail. Link to post Share on other sites
eYank 0 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 he had thousands of dollars seized from him isnt that enough to warrant wat he did back thenhes still a great player w/o multiple accounts Link to post Share on other sites
seemorenuts 0 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I may not know all the details about these cheaters, but my idea of paying one's debt is a lifetime ban, both online and in b&m tourneys.I am boycotting the WSOP until he gets such a ban. (That's why I don't have 12 bracelets.)Two random anecdotes tangential to cheating, welshing etc.:1. I know a guy who owes our mutual friend $25-35K for over 10 years.He's built a roll + 'net worth' of about half a million and he still won't pay our friend--not a penny, just false promises and whining.He plays in Phoenix and Las Vegas, if word got out on him welshing his name would be mud, I don't really know how embarrassing this would be to him. What should I do? I keep my nose out of other people's business, but how would you feel if you were owed this money? How would you feel if this guy borrowed money from you in Vegas but I couldn't tell you who he is?2. I've heard of this story within a professional school setting (where when you graduate, you make the most money for any category of undergrad/grad). A handful of students are accused of cheating, there is an unknown amount of proof to nail them.The story is that all of them cheated, but only two of them admitted to cheating, so guess who gets kicked out of school permanently? Yep, the two guys who admitted to cheating. The others stayed in school and today they are probably worth several millions.P.S. I take the opposite position with a guy like Men the Master. He has to suffer from insinuations about cheating after winning player of the year only 4 times. He gets no product endorsements for Coronas because of racism, and he will continue to pay for something that hasn't been proven. Contrast this to ZJ where there's proof, and people say let it go. Makes no sense to me.I know what it's like to be falsely accused of cheating. I have been an enormous outlier (performing so well--it's statistically amazing, lol, simple definition) in a free poker league.I have been accused of cheating because people don't understand how a person could do so well. What's laughable besides the fact that I have never cheated is that on about 5 or 6 occasions, they've failed to mention my accomplishments on their website and they've cheated to let my accomplishments to go unnoticed.How? Just imagine that it's near the end of the season but you want your team to have home game advantage in the playoffs, but they don't have enough points. Solution? Add an unscheduled game so your team can get enough points.That's how classy that unnamed poker league was, not to mention being racist when nonwhites do well in a season. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 and........exhale Link to post Share on other sites
yeffy 0 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 To those that were talking about why he had an oversized chip out, and that its the dealer's fault for not making change.....When you play split pot games and a hand goes heads up this is quite a normal practice. The bets do not get raked in they stay in front of the players and it is common to put a big chip out and bet with that same chip twice until you need to add more chips to make up the next bet ammount. I'm surprised that an actual dealer made this point too. If you deal split pot games you should never touch the players chips once the pot is heads up it just slows the game down. Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I may not know all the details about these cheaters, but my idea of paying one's debt is a lifetime ban, both online and in b&m tourneys.I am boycotting the WSOP until he gets such a ban. (That's why I don't have 12 bracelets.)Two random anecdotes tangential to cheating, welshing etc.:1. I know a guy who owes our mutual friend $25-35K for over 10 years. Your friend doesn't know how much money he lent out ?He's built a roll + 'net worth' of about half a million and he still won't pay our friend--not a penny, just false promises and whining.He plays in Phoenix and Las Vegas, if word got out on him welshing his name would be mud, I don't really know how embarrassing this would be to him. What should I do? I keep my nose out of other people's business, but how would you feel if you were owed this money? How would you feel if this guy borrowed money from you in Vegas but I couldn't tell you who he is?2. Why would I lend him money if I don't know who he is ? I've heard of this story within a professional school setting (where when you graduate, you make the most money for any category of undergrad/grad). What the hell are you trying to say here ? Are you saying that there is one school who's graduates all make more money than students from any other school ?I'd love to know where that school is. A handful of students are accused of cheating, there is an unknown amount of proof to nail them. When all the proof is gathered together, wouldn't that be a known amount of proof ?The story is that all of them cheated, but only two of them admitted to cheating, so guess who gets kicked out of school permanently? Yep, the two guys who admitted to cheating. The others stayed in school and today they are probably worth several millions. What is your point ? Should they be allowed to stay in school because they admitted it ? Should the other students be kicked out too even if it was not proven that they cheated? If your point is that it was proven that they all cheated but some of them did not get kicked out you should say that directly. P.S. I take the opposite position with a guy like Men the Master. He has to suffer from insinuations about cheating after winning player of the year only 4 times. He gets no product endorsements for Coronas because of racism Are you sure it's because of racism ? Could it be because of the allegations of cheating ? Is there any possibility that it's because no one outside of the poker world has ever heard of him ? and he will continue to pay for something that hasn't been proven. Contrast this to ZJ where there's proof, and people say let it go. Makes no sense to me.I know what it's like to be falsely accused of cheating. I have been an enormous outlier (performing so well--it's statistically amazing, lol, simple definition) in a free poker league. Huh ?I have been accused of cheating because people don't understand how a person could do so well. What's laughable besides the fact that I have never cheated is that on about 5 or 6 occasions, they've failed to mention my accomplishments on their website and they've cheated to let my accomplishments to go unnoticed.How? Just imagine that it's near the end of the season but you want your team to have home game advantage in the playoffs, but they don't have enough points. Solution? Add an unscheduled game so your team can get enough points.That's how classy that unnamed poker league was, not to mention being racist when nonwhites do well in a season.If you are going to write a novel, could you make it more coherent next time ? Link to post Share on other sites
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