66 With Minraise In Front

[jmbreslin 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 500/1000 Blinds 125 Ante (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comBB (t5145)UTG (t19860)Hero (MP1) (t4250)MP2 (t20555)CO (t9655)Button (t8565)SB (t10150)Hero's M: 1.79Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6, 6UTG bets t2000, Hero???66 too marginal here? At this point we're down to 14 left, top 12 pay, and I'm sitting 10th. Obviously I have zero fold equity against the bigstack. The only note I have on him is that he recently minraised 77 as the bigstack. Let it go and wait for first-in?

[Agent 008 0]

It's either playing this hand, or the next hand.Shove.

[cdipierr 0]

Meh. I think I might fold in this spot only because of the bubble. I'd at least time bank it and see if the other table manages to lose someone.

[jmbreslin 0]

The problem with this spot is I know the bigstack is calling with 100% of his range here, so I have zero fold equity, and there is still a whole table to act after me. 66 is not going to hold up well multiway.

[SwolyswoND 1]

I think with only 4.5 BB left you gotta ship this, hoping that most other players behind you will get out of the way with marginals like KJ, AT etc since the betting will be reopened to the PFR and they would set themselves up to be squeezed. You have no FE left even if you open ship the next hand, so try to iso the PFR here and win the race.

[Mercury69 3]

The problem with this spot is I know the bigstack is calling with 100% of his range here, so I have zero fold equity, and there is still a whole table to act after me. 66 is not going to hold up well multiway.

This...I think any two high cards is calling and there's no escaping it. It's very close (for me) but I think I'm folding this and hoping for a couple of Broadway cards next hand.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Snapshove ainec. You need to be ready to quick-click with a stack this low so people are folding things like 77-99 and A7+ pretty easily.

[TrueAce13 18]

I think this is really close as well, either option is fine tho i think

[Mercury69 3]

Snapshove ainec. You need to be ready to quick-click with a stack this low so people are folding things like 77-99 and A7+ pretty easily.

Are you taking into account the guy who raised to 2K UTG who is totally not folding? And how about the one or two people who really will wake up with a hand here (5 left to act) who might try to come along for the ride?Whatever the case, you are racing at best and are probably a 4 to 1 dogAlso, ftr, snap-clicking this kind of stack gets you no respect at all.

[rrumsey 0]

i cant tell you how instantly i shove this,.... but im a lagtard in similar spots so i would mind shoving like 910s in this spot

[jmbreslin 0]

Snapshove ainec. You need to be ready to quick-click with a stack this low so people are folding things like 77-99 and A7+ pretty easily.

No they don't, this is a $1.10 tourney. People are calling with those hands all day long. I wouldn't be at all surprised if I shoved and ended up with a 4-way pot. Happens all the time in these.

[outsider13 0]

I think you basically need to ask yourself what is important here. Do I want to min-cash this thing or do I want to win this thing? in 90s, min cashes don't mean a whole heck of a lot. Obv it's better than nothing, but I think you need to have big finishes in order to be profitable in these. If you fold here, you are basically folding to the money. If you ship, you are back in it....potentially.I say gamboool!

[SwolyswoND 1]

I think you basically need to ask yourself what is important here. Do I want to min-cash this thing or do I want to win this thing? in 90s, min cashes don't mean a whole heck of a lot. Obv it's better than nothing, but I think you need to have big finishes in order to be profitable in these. If you fold here, you are basically folding to the money. If you ship, you are back in it....potentially.I say gamboool!

+1 so many times.I play the $6 90-mans a ton, and you can't even let mincashing cross your mind. So many players tighten up near the bubble b/c they want to cash, and that's when you gotta make a play for a stack big enough to give you a chance to win. You will not turn a good ROI in these unless you play to win, not to cash. Very different from SNGs.

[cdipierr 0]

+1 so many times.I play the $6 90-mans a ton, and you can't even let mincashing cross your mind. So many players tighten up near the bubble b/c they want to cash, and that's when you gotta make a play for a stack big enough to give you a chance to win. You will not turn a good ROI in these unless you play to win, not to cash. Very different from SNGs.

I haven't played any 90s, so I don't know the ideal strat by far, but I'm curious here. I agree that you want to make deep cashes, and that should certainly dominate your thinking on the whole, but isn't there an exception to be made once you're 2 off the bubble and you're not the short stack? You've invested a lot of time to get here, so the cash seems important at that point. If this were still with like 25 left, then I feel it's different, but in this particular spot, can't you fold knowing that pretty much any random hand is going to be 65/35 at worst whereas here we're likely to be 80/20? Yes, it sucks to have to push the next hand with Q6 or something, but it's probably more live than this.

[outsider13 0]

I haven't played any 90s, so I don't know the ideal strat by far, but I'm curious here. I agree that you want to make deep cashes, and that should certainly dominate your thinking on the whole, but isn't there an exception to be made once you're 2 off the bubble and you're not the short stack? You've invested a lot of time to get here, so the cash seems important at that point. If this were still with like 25 left, then I feel it's different, but in this particular spot, can't you fold knowing that pretty much any random hand is going to be 65/35 at worst whereas here we're likely to be 80/20? Yes, it sucks to have to push the next hand with Q6 or something, but it's probably more live than this.

You can go on runs of 15-20+ of not cashing at all in these, so a min cash isn't going to make up for these types of streaks. As I said, if you think that mincashing is important, by all means you can fold here and probably cruise to the cash.As for the range, yeah we have roughly 50% equity in this pot (depending on stats/reads) assuming we fold out others when we shove. That's enough for me.

[Mercury69 3]

I think you basically need to ask yourself what is important here. Do I want to min-cash this thing or do I want to win this thing? in 90s, min cashes don't mean a whole heck of a lot. Obv it's better than nothing, but I think you need to have big finishes in order to be profitable in these. If you fold here, you are basically folding to the money. If you ship, you are back in it....potentially.I say gamboool!

That's a better case for shoving. And I think that even in slightly higher buy-ins, people are doing a lot of calling this stack size with speculative hands, like any two suited Broadway, most PP's, that kind of thing.

[SwolyswoND 1]

I haven't played any 90s, so I don't know the ideal strat by far, but I'm curious here. I agree that you want to make deep cashes, and that should certainly dominate your thinking on the whole, but isn't there an exception to be made once you're 2 off the bubble and you're not the short stack? You've invested a lot of time to get here, so the cash seems important at that point. If this were still with like 25 left, then I feel it's different, but in this particular spot, can't you fold knowing that pretty much any random hand is going to be 65/35 at worst whereas here we're likely to be 80/20? Yes, it sucks to have to push the next hand with Q6 or something, but it's probably more live than this.

I would gladly bubble a 90 man MTT by taking a 40/60 chance which would give me a top 5 stack (and a reasonable chance at top 3ing), as opposed to folding and waiting to mincash in 9th. Every time.

[cdipierr 0]

I would gladly bubble a 90 man MTT by taking a 40/60 chance which would give me a top 5 stack (and a reasonable chance at top 3ing), as opposed to folding and waiting to mincash in 9th. Every time.

Yeah, me too if it was 40/60. But realistically aren't we more like 25% here considering the initial raise and the likely callers behind.

[SwolyswoND 1]

Why are there likely callers behind? And even if so, whatever, just gives us a chance to triple up even. I'll gladly take that 25% chance you speak of if the payout is a triple or quad up.Mincashing sucks so hard you can't even understand it. Don't play scared on the bubble people.

[jmbreslin 0]

Why are there likely callers behind?

'Cause it's a $1.10 and effective stacks are getting very shallow. Just to give you an idea, last night in a 45-turbo I almost quadrupled up when we were down to 2 tables - a shorter stack shoved, I re-shoved to isolate with my AA, and got calls from 2 other shorter stacks behind! Ended up in a 4-way pot against TT, QJ, and 95s (or something along those lines). Went from ~3800 to ~15000 in one hand.If I felt confident that I could get heads-up with the raiser, I'd shove in a heartbeat. But the risk of a multiway pot with 66 forced me to think about this one.

[HighwayStar 8]

I really don't think you get overcalled all that much here near a bubble. Not with stacks this shallow. I'd say you're at least 80% to be in a heads up all in.

[SwolyswoND 1]

Agreed, I think a lot of people are overestimating the # of overcallers we get here.