Dn's Broke Back

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i obviously do not know DN's diet, except for the fact that he's vegan and when he has posted about stuff he's ate, it didn't seem like too much.if you are going to be exercising almost daily, like playing golf, you need to supply your body with enough calories and protein to rebuild. you also need carbs, but most vegetarians i know do not have an issue with getting in their carbs, it's the protein that's the issue.DN, would u consider eating seafood? i know many vegetarians that do, and it's a great source of lean protein (didn't Jesus help the hungry with fish? i may be wrong, but it rings a bell).there are only so many shakes u can drink in a day, esp. if they are soy based (hormonal issue with soy).that leaves mixing and matching your food to ensure u are getting complete proteins. that takes a lot of work, most are not up to doing this day in and day out. u also need to consume enough total calories...nutrients, like the B vitamins, iron, etc are also hard for a vegan to consume naturally. just sayn' to make sure your diet is good. diet seems to be the determining factor for a lot of health issues.

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This is off topic of the diet thing, but i've always been kinda curious on what DN shoots at the golf course. When he says he plays good he don't say what he shot for the round. So if you see this DN what do you usually shoot?

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since we're going off topic...Did anyone see the 2006 WSOP episode on ESPN classic last nite?They profiled Daniel touching base with a burn victim kid. Kid was absolutely wrecked and has about zero chance at a normal life.GG Daniel.

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This is off topic of the diet thing, but i've always been kinda curious on what DN shoots at the golf course. When he says he plays good he don't say what he shot for the round. So if you see this DN what do you usually shoot?

At the end of 2006 he was a 25. His goal for 2008 was to cut whatever it was at the beginning of the year in half. If hes at all realistic that means he might have improved to a 20 and hoped to get under 10.

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When I read the thread title and who the OP was I figured this was another thread about DN being gay.

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LoLEvery All In thread is just so silly and he tries to stir up trouble.

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Cows, horses, and even elephants eat nothing but grass all day and seem to get pretty big without any health issues.

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I can't believe theres no photoshop yet

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Also DN, you probably haven't thought of this, but you can also drink water, and other things good for you besides ProPlayer energy drink. Maybe this will help you more when going tinkle, since the stream will stop etching into the sidewalls of the toilets.

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Cows, horses, and even elephants eat nothing but grass all day and seem to get pretty big without any health issues.

Train some nag with steaks and he'll be another f%^kin Secretariat.

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Als DN, you probably haven't thought of this, but you can also drink water, and other things good for you besides ProPlayer energy drink. Maybe this will help you more when going tinkle, since the stream will stop etching into the sidewalls of the toilets.

ROFL!!! literally!!! (F=futon)

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Cows, horses, and even elephants eat nothing but grass all day and seem to get pretty big without any health issues.

a perfect example of the layperson thinking they know everything.

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a perfect example of the layperson thinking they know everything.

A more perfect example of a troll who understands even less.

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i obviously do not know DN's diet, except for the fact that he's vegan and when he has posted about stuff he's ate, it didn't seem like too much.if you are going to be exercising almost daily, like playing golf, you need to supply your body with enough calories and protein to rebuild. you also need carbs, but most vegetarians i know do not have an issue with getting in their carbs, it's the protein that's the issue.DN, would u consider eating seafood? i know many vegetarians that do, and it's a great source of lean protein (didn't Jesus help the hungry with fish? i may be wrong, but it rings a bell).there are only so many shakes u can drink in a day, esp. if they are soy based (hormonal issue with soy).that leaves mixing and matching your food to ensure u are getting complete proteins. that takes a lot of work, most are not up to doing this day in and day out. u also need to consume enough total calories...nutrients, like the B vitamins, iron, etc are also hard for a vegan to consume naturally. just sayn' to make sure your diet is good. diet seems to be the determining factor for a lot of health issues.

Really?? This is the biggest myth about vegetarianism/veganism. Protein is not an issue. If you live in the western world and have access to a grocery store there is no problem. The problem is with getting TOO MUCH protein in the US, not too little.Sorry, but that's another myth. You don't need to mix and match foods in a sitting. You can eat a variety of foods throughout the day or even over many days and still get "complete proteins".It seems like you're getting all your ideas from 1950's meat & dairy industry talking points.Iron? The foods with high iron content are:Soybeans, Blackstrap molasses, Lentils, Spinach, Quinoa, Tofu, Bagel, Tempeh, Lima beans, Swiss chard, Black beans, Pinto beans, Turnip greens, Chickpeas, Potato, Kidney beans, Prune juice, Beet greens, Tahini, Veggie hot dog, Peas, Black-eyed peas, Cashews, Brussels sprouts, Bok choy, Bulgur, Raisins, Almonds, Apricots, Veggie burger, Watermelon, Soy yogurt, Tomato juice, Green beans, Kale, Sunflower Broccoli, Millet, Sesame seeds.B Vitamins are easy to get except for B12 but again in the western world, almost everything is fortified with it anyway.There is a question about soy and it affecting your hormones and as a vegan I try not to eat too much of it. Fermented soy like Tempeh seems to counteract that hormone issue though. Also, the average American is getting a ton of soy (and corn) in everything they eat because of the subsidies those crops get. That's the main problem with the volume of soy we eat, not the occasional tofu burger. The Chinese have been eating soy for thousands of years and seem to be populating pretty well (one of the issues raised is sperm count). However, they've been eating natural and fermented soy, not soy isolate or soy protein isolate in every candy bar, energy bar and packaged food.Many world class athletes have been vegetarian/vegan so I think Daniel's poker playing schedule won't require intense dietary scrutiny.

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Really?? This is the biggest myth about vegetarianism/veganism. Protein is not an issue. If you live in the western word and have access to a grocery store there is no problem. The problem is with getting TOO MUCH protein in the US, not too little.Sorry, but that's another myth. You don't need to mix and match foods in a sitting. You can eat a variety of foods throughout the day or even over many days and still get "complete proteins".It seems like you're getting all your ideas from 1950's meat & dairy industry talking points.Iron? The foods with high iron content are:Soybeans, Blackstrap molasses, Lentils, Spinach, Quinoa, Tofu, Bagel, Tempeh, Lima beans, Swiss chard, Black beans, Pinto beans, Turnip greens, Chickpeas, Potato, Kidney beans, Prune juice, Beet greens, Tahini, Veggie hot dog, Peas, Black-eyed peas, Cashews, Brussels sprouts, Bok choy, Bulgur, Raisins, Almonds, Apricots, Veggie burger, Watermelon, Soy yogurt, Tomato juice, Green beans, Kale, Sunflower Broccoli, Millet, Sesame seeds.B Vitamins are easy to get except for B12 but again in the western world, almost everything is fortified with it anyway.There is a question about soy and it affecting your hormones and as a vegan I try not to eat too much of it. Fermented soy like Tempeh seems to counteract that hormone issue though. Also, the average American is getting a ton of soy (and corn) in everything they eat because of the subsidies those crops get. That's the main problem with the volume of soy we eat, not the occasional tofu burger. The Chinese have been eating soy for thousands of years and seem to be populating pretty well (one of the issues raised is sperm count). However, they've been eating natural and fermented soy, not soy isolate or soy protein isolate in every candy bar, energy bar and packaged food.Many world class athletes have been vegetarian/vegan so I think Daniel's poker playing schedule won't require intense dietary scrutiny.

Outstanding post......but don't forget the Elephants.

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a perfect example of the layperson thinking they know everything.

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A more perfect example of a troll who understands even less.

Game, set, and match.Man, these pretzels are making me thirsty

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Really?? This is the biggest myth about vegetarianism/veganism. Protein is not an issue. If you live in the western world and have access to a grocery store there is no problem. The problem is with getting TOO MUCH protein in the US, not too little.

the issue in the US is with meat-eaters who do not exercise, they are the ones consuming too much protein, not the vegetarians. how are the vegetarians overloading on protein?

Sorry, but that's another myth. You don't need to mix and match foods in a sitting. You can eat a variety of foods throughout the day or even over many days and still get "complete proteins".

'mixing and matching' vs 'variety', lets not play with semantics. i also never mentioned anything about 'in a sitting'.but mixing and matching over many days? if you can provide legit proof i'll accept that.our bodies do have a pool of proteins that it can draw from when needed, but that is assuming the pool is adequate in the first place.

It seems like you're getting all your ideas from 1950's meat & dairy industry talking points.Iron? The foods with high iron content are:Soybeans, Blackstrap molasses, Lentils, Spinach, Quinoa, Tofu, Bagel, Tempeh, Lima beans, Swiss chard, Black beans, Pinto beans, Turnip greens, Chickpeas, Potato, Kidney beans, Prune juice, Beet greens, Tahini, Veggie hot dog, Peas, Black-eyed peas, Cashews, Brussels sprouts, Bok choy, Bulgur, Raisins, Almonds, Apricots, Veggie burger, Watermelon, Soy yogurt, Tomato juice, Green beans, Kale, Sunflower Broccoli, Millet, Sesame seeds.

define 'high iron content'. the iron in non-animal sources is a type that is harder for our body to utilize, therefore more goes to waste. our bodies evolved to utilize meat sources more efficiently.also, how many cashews, almonds, beans, chard, etc would u have to eat to equal an animal-based food? do 5 cups of beans equal the protein in a small steak? fish? chicken? i think u would need to consume unreal amounts of these foods, but i may be wrong.

B Vitamins are easy to get except for B12 but again in the western world, almost everything is fortified with it anyway.

so assuming that everything is fortified with B12 is OK? our bodies evolved to require a nutrient that u can only get from animal sources. so where would a vegan get their B12 from? is relying on fortified foods enough?

There is a question about soy and it affecting your hormones and as a vegan I try not to eat too much of it. Fermented soy like Tempeh seems to counteract that hormone issue though. Also, the average American is getting a ton of soy (and corn) in everything they eat because of the subsidies those crops get. That's the main problem with the volume of soy we eat, not the occasional tofu burger. The Chinese have been eating soy for thousands of years and seem to be populating pretty well (one of the issues raised is sperm count). However, they've been eating natural and fermented soy, not soy isolate or soy protein isolate in every candy bar, energy bar and packaged food.

The chinese also, on average, are way more physically active than north americans, maybe that has something to do with it.what i was getting at was that many in north america think soy is the answer for everything, and it's not. as u mentioned we are not consuming it in the same way as cultures that have been eating it for centuries, and we are starting to see the effects (and i specifically mentioned soy protein shakes).

Many world class athletes have been vegetarian/vegan so I think Daniel's poker playing schedule won't require intense dietary scrutiny.

it's not the poker playing, i mentioned the golf. he golfs almost everyday (it seems). that's a lot of pounding on a body. i am positive that world class athletes are more careful with what and how they eat than most of the population, that should be a given. they can eat properly, and supplement properly.

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the issue in the US is with meat-eaters who do not exercise, they are the ones consuming too much protein, not the vegetarians. how are the vegetarians overloading on protein?'mixing and matching' vs 'variety', lets not play with semantics. i also never mentioned anything about 'in a sitting'.but mixing and matching over many days? if you can provide legit proof i'll accept that.our bodies do have a pool of proteins that it can draw from when needed, but that is assuming the pool is adequate in the first place.define 'high iron content'. the iron in non-animal sources is a type that is harder for our body to utilize, therefore more goes to waste. our bodies evolved to utilize meat sources more efficiently.also, how many cashews, almonds, beans, chard, etc would u have to eat to equal an animal-based food? do 5 cups of beans equal the protein in a small steak? fish? chicken? i think u would need to consume unreal amounts of these foods, but i may be wrong.so assuming that everything is fortified with B12 is OK? our bodies evolved to require a nutrient that u can only get from animal sources. so where would a vegan get their B12 from? is relying on fortified foods enough?The chinese also, on average, are way more physically active than north americans, maybe that has something to do with it.what i was getting at was that many in north america think soy is the answer for everything, and it's not. as u mentioned we are not consuming it in the same way as cultures that have been eating it for centuries, and we are starting to see the effects (and i specifically mentioned soy protein shakes).it's not the poker playing, i mentioned the golf. he golfs almost everyday (it seems). that's a lot of pounding on a body. i am positive that world class athletes are more careful with what and how they eat than most of the population, that should be a given. they can eat properly, and supplement properly.

Still doesn't explain the Elephants.

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Ive had back problems my whole life (being a golf pro and playing since I was 10). Im pretty sure his diet has nothing to do with it. Its the constant torque his back and back muscles go through during the golf swing. Stretching is key, but sometimes that doesnt prevent it. These injuries are very common in NEW golfers (1st 2 to 3 years of playing). Once his back muscles learn to handle the torque on a daily basis he will have to deal with the pain and discomfort...we all do. He will be fine.

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the issue in the US is with meat-eaters who do not exercise, they are the ones consuming too much protein, not the vegetarians. how are the vegetarians overloading on protein?

I wasn't talking about vegetarians. I was talking about the avg American. Whether they excercise or not, a lot of animal protein is shown to be unhealthy.

'mixing and matching' vs 'variety', lets not play with semantics. i also never mentioned anything about 'in a sitting'.but mixing and matching over many days? if you can provide legit proof i'll accept that.our bodies do have a pool of proteins that it can draw from when needed, but that is assuming the pool is adequate in the first place.

The protein combining theory was first put forth by Frances Moore Lappe in the 70's. It has since been debunked, and even she herself has retracted the theory. Complete protein is about getting the 9 essential amino acids that the body does not make itself. It is not necessary to combine proteins at any regular intervals to achieve this. If you have 2 to 3 meals a day and get satisfactory amounts of only 6 of the amino acids, then the next day or the next day you can eat another variety of proteins. I guess "many days" was an exaggeration but again, if you're eating enough calories throughout the day (and it's not just junk food) then it's virtually impossible to have any protein problem whatsoever. It doesn't take much thought at all. I have been vegan for 6 years and never consciously combine proteins...I never even think about it! I just eat what I want basically. I'm also a very physically active person.A good article: http://www.ivu.org/faq/protein.html

define 'high iron content'. the iron in non-animal sources is a type that is harder for our body to utilize, therefore more goes to waste. our bodies evolved to utilize meat sources more efficiently.also, how many cashews, almonds, beans, chard, etc would u have to eat to equal an animal-based food? do 5 cups of beans equal the protein in a small steak? fish? chicken? i think u would need to consume unreal amounts of these foods, but i may be wrong.

Please read this.http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.htm

so assuming that everything is fortified with B12 is OK? our bodies evolved to require a nutrient that u can only get from animal sources. so where ould a vegan get their B12 from? is relying on fortified foods enough?

Well modern farming practices have changed the way humans who don't eat meat get Vitamin B12. Since it's a bacteria, it used to grow on fermented soy, even on vegetables that were using natural animal manure. It's also found naturally in small amounts on a specific seaweed. Another natural place to find it is Nutritional Yeast....it's also known to be active B12 from that source. So you can get it from unfortified sources but every cereal, non-dairy milk etc is fortified with it so I don't think it's much of an issue especially since our own bodies make a portion of it and can store it for up to 30 years.

The chinese also, on average, are way more physically active than north americans, maybe that has something to do with it.what i was getting at was that many in north america think soy is the answer for everything, and it's not. as u mentioned we are not consuming it in the same way as cultures that have been eating it for centuries, and we are starting to see the effects (and i specifically mentioned soy protein shakes).it's not the poker playing, i mentioned the golf. he golfs almost everyday (it seems). that's a lot of pounding on a body. i am positive that world class athletes are more careful with what and how they eat than most of the population, that should be a given. they can eat properly, and supplement properly.

Can't disagree with much of that. I don't think everybody thinks soy is the answer though. I think it's because the govt subsidizes it so farmers are obviously going to put it in everything and market it as a wonder plant. I've run 2 marathons the past couple years including Boston 07 and all I changed in diet was increase my calories. I never supplement.Btw, we seem to have this debate quite a lot. The "animal cruelty" thread went quite deep into all these issues, so I don't really feel like repeating everything again. I responded not realizing we'd gone down this road before. Then it seemed like deja vu so i looked back at some old posts.

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I know there are those that think dairies in America and chicken houses in America are cruel but what about all those small farmers that take care of their animals? I guess I don't understand the vegan concept of not eating dairy if that's the reasoning behind it. To me I want to support the small farmers here in my area and so I do buy at farmer's markets and local dairies. And from people who raise free range chickens. To me that makes more sense then choosing to eliminate a whole food group. Are you all telling me that there's no farmer's markets in Las Vegas area?

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animal cruelty in food production, what a ridiculous reason to be vegan.

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animal cruelty in food production, what a ridiculous reason to be vegan.

I quit playing live poker because of dealer cruelty.I sleep good at night

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I quit playing live poker because of dealer cruelty.I sleep good at night

Now that live poker is smoke free you can go back again. Just to be sure that the guilt isnt too distracting though, be sure to play only at Casinos that use free range dealers that can deal slowly, have automatic shufflers and drink free Fiji water. Offering a wrist massage during hands that youre sitting out would be nice too.

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I know there are those that think dairies in America and chicken houses in America are cruel but what about all those small farmers that take care of their animals? I guess I don't understand the vegan concept of not eating dairy if that's the reasoning behind it. To me I want to support the small farmers here in my area and so I do buy at farmer's markets and local dairies. And from people who raise free range chickens. To me that makes more sense then choosing to eliminate a whole food group. Are you all telling me that there's no farmer's markets in Las Vegas area?

I believe dairy is bad for you so I don't eat it even if it does come from a small family farm. I think dairy from a factory farm is especially bad for you. I obviously like the idea of local farmers treating their animals well and producing food to be as healthy as possible.