Easy Bet/fold River?

[DonkSlayer 1]

2/4 on Tribeca. I haven't identified one good player at the table but I don't have a particular read on anyone. Hero is on the button with Folds to CO who calls, Hero calls, sb completes, BB checks.Flop Sb checks, BB bets $2, CO folds, Hero calls, sb folds.Turn BB checks. Hero bets $4. BB calls.River BB checks. Hero bets $4.Ok? Check behind? Fold preflop? Raise/fold flop?

[mikeysong 0]

that limp on the button is pretty loosethat said, I don't mind the call on the flop to get some more money in the potcourse you have to bet the turn, you just hit top pairand YESVALUE BET THAT RIVERdon't be afraid of the river, unless u know some *** who always calls down w/A high and then check-raises u when it hits on the river*shakes fist*BET THE RIVER

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

that limp on the button is pretty loosethat said, I don't mind the call on the flop to get some more money in the potcourse you have to bet the turn, you just hit top pairand YESVALUE BET THAT RIVERdon't be afraid of the river, unless u know some *** who always calls down w/A high and then check-raises u when it hits on the river*shakes fist*BET THE RIVER

Raise pf. Perfect rest of the way. Also if he donks raise turn.

[antistuff 0]

i cant stand those icons you use, i had to check the url to figure out its an 8 and not a q. i raise the flop for value and a free card. you have two overs, a bd straight, and a flush draw. if has has something like a6 your actually a slight favorite. i can see the pot being small as a slight argument against this as you dont mind the sb calling with just about anything, but i have a raising fetish. that was a good bet on the river. you say bet/fold but i dont think thats even an issue as you are almost never getting check raised on that river. if that happened to me there i would call out of confusion, i guess i just suck like that. ----------how are the games on tribeca? worth bonus whoring?

[109suited 0]

Raise flop. AINEC.The rest is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaantastic.

[TheCinciKid 0]

I'm not a huge fan of calling pre-flop here, but it's not terrible by any means, in fact, I probably do it myself. I tend to prefer checking behind on the river. The rest of the hand is fine.

[beans422 0]

I raise pf most of the time in this situation though I can see myself limping on the button pf as well ... I guess I'm loose like that. I'd raise flop to see where we're at, free card or have a better chance to win if we pair in case the sb or c/o have 8 or 10 with better kicker. I'd play turn and river same.

[Zach6668 513]

I'd raise flop to see where we're at...

Please don't say that again...The rest of it is right, we're raising for the free card, cleaning up outs, etc, but not to see where we're at.. we have T high.You never raise solely for information.- Zach

[beans422 0]

Please don't say that again...The rest of it is right, we're raising for the free card, cleaning up outs, etc, but not to see where we're at.. we have T high.You never raise solely for information.- Zach

I raise the flop for all 3 things I listed...and to see if we may be good if 10 pops on turn. I know we're more than likely behind with 10 high but what's wrong with seeing just how far behind we are along with getting free card and improving outs?

[Zach6668 513]

I raise the flop for all 3 things I listed...and to see if we may be good if 10 pops on turn. I know we're more than likely behind with 10 high but what's wrong with seeing just how far behind we are along with getting free card and improving outs?

I know what you meant, just making sure. We're raising this flop at minimum as a semibluff. We prety much know where we are in the hand, we need to improve to win...

[davezz5 0]

Think i might fold pre-flop here. Untill you call CO off is the only person in the pot. need more opponents to make it profitable.The CO's limp is pretty weak considering it folded round to him. Maybe re-raise to isolate and take it away on the flop, more as a variation than a standard play, just to mix it up.Raise flop(Zach6668 says it all).Turn and River perfect. This is the kind of situation that a value bet on the river is the right play

[antistuff 0]

Raise flop. AINEC.

no it is close. like really close.

[DonkSlayer 1]

I think the problem with raising the flop is that if we get 3-bet, it will hardcore shut us down and we'll have no idea when the turn gives us top pair. If we raise and the villain calls, then donkbets the turn, we've lost control again. Villain could have a very, very wide range here and there are quite a few turns that I fold to a bet and quite a few I'm checking behind on as well. If the same turn falls but the villain leads again, call? If we're ahead we don't want him to go away, right?

[mikeysong 0]

I don't htink it's necessary to raise flop. Don't we want more people in so that when we hit our flush we make $? Granted HU has a better chance of winning, up to youpreflop - what are you accomplishing by raising? Do you think 10 high is going to be ahead most of hte time? Even short handed I would think twice before making that move on the button.I would raise the turn if villain led and it was HU. If you get 3-bet, then u know u better pray for an extra 10 or spade

[Zach6668 513]

I don't htink it's necessary to raise flop. Don't we want more people in so that when we hit our flush we make $? Granted HU has a better chance of winning, up to youpreflop - what are you accomplishing by raising? Do you think 10 high is going to be ahead most of hte time? Even short handed I would think twice before making that move on the button.I would raise the turn if villain led and it was HU. If you get 3-bet, then u know u better pray for an extra 10 or spade

Meh, the best case scenario is the pot is 3 ways, so we don't have a huge equity edge if that's the case, so I'd rather clean up a few outs, if possible, and take the free card on the turn, in this case, UI.Obv, as played the turn is a bet, or even if we had raised the flop, since we improved.I don't really understand why we would ever bet/fold this river? I'm bet/calling all day long here unless he is super passive.

[Canada 0]

Preflop: Fold or raise. Without reads let it go.As played, in this unraised multiway pot in postion, not raising the flop is criminal.You could have as many as 16 outs including backdoors, but none of them are to the nuts.Cleaning up outs is just too valuable here, plus taking control of the hand for free cards or fold equity is a huge added bonus.If we get 3-bet and the SB is still in I would seriously consider capping the flop.The way the flop went bet the turn and value bet the river.As to a river c/r with the way the action went I would be looking at a call against donks

[antistuff 0]

Preflop: Fold or raise. Without reads let it go.As played, in this unraised multiway pot in postion, not raising the flop is criminal.You could have as many as 16 outs including backdoors, but none of them are to the nuts.Cleaning up outs is just too valuable here, plus taking control of the hand for free cards or fold equity is a huge added bonus.If we get 3-bet and the SB is still in I would seriously consider capping the flop.The way the flop went bet the turn and value bet the river.As to a river c/r with the way the action went I would be looking at a call against donks

the pot is small enough where cleaning up outs is not that valuable here. my thinking on the flop raise is that you are a favorite on the flop if he has a 6 but a dog on the turn if you dont hit, so raise for a free card.really though its super close. if you just call youre going to get checked to on the turn a lot anyway.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

I don't htink it's necessary to raise flop. Don't we want more people in so that when we hit our flush we make $? Granted HU has a better chance of winning, up to youpreflop - what are you accomplishing by raising? Do you think 10 high is going to be ahead most of hte time? Even short handed I would think twice before making that move on the button.I would raise the turn if villain led and it was HU. If you get 3-bet, then u know u better pray for an extra 10 or spade

You are forcing retard CO to hit the flop. He open limps in CO and you dont want to exploit this? If you play bad post flop dont raise. If you play at all reasonable raise it everytime.

[mikeysong 0]

and if sb and bb call? (Most cases BB calls for 1 more bet)your hand isn't very good 3 way, or 4 way in worst case scenario. If you know BB is tight and will fold almost everytime, then go for it. It's still a gamble that I think is unnecessary to take.but, "You are forcing retard CO to hit the flop." very solid concept

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

and if sb and bb call? (Most cases BB calls for 1 more bet)your hand isn't very good 3 way, or 4 way in worst case scenario. If you know BB is tight and will fold almost everytime, then go for it. It's still a gamble that I think is unnecessary to take.but, "You are forcing retard CO to hit the flop." very solid concept

Of course its an uneccessary gamble, but so is entering this pot at all. I think it is perfectly fine if sb and bb come along. What was ionce an isolation play has now turned into multiway pot and you have a decent multiway hand w/ position. Act accordingly.

[antistuff 0]

and if sb and bb call? (Most cases BB calls for 1 more bet)your hand isn't very good 3 way, or 4 way in worst case scenario. If you know BB is tight and will fold almost everytime, then go for it. It's still a gamble that I think is unnecessary to take.but, "You are forcing retard CO to hit the flop." very solid concept

your hand is actually very good 4 way. if you raise and the SB calls youde prefer for the BB to call also. a call here after one limper is pretty loose, although i dont think its horrible. if the sb will always complete and they all suck i think its pretty ok actually. a raise here is good if you can really run circles around the CO. but its not to force him to hit a flop. its to get him heads up with posistion with a marginal hand. figure to be behind what he's limping with, so you need to know youre that much better than him to make up for it.

[iggymcfly 0]

There are two plausible lines here:1) Raise the flop to get a free turn card, and check any non T, 8, or spade on the turn.2) Call the flop with the intent of raising any remotely scary turn card to try to get BB to lay down a smallish pair.Since we're playing 2/4 and BB led into a multi-way pot, I think #1 is clearly the best here. The turn is an automatic bet with what is almost certainly the best hand as is the river.The fact that anyone's even considering checking the river here is sickening. I mean the only way we're beat is if BB rivered a jack. What are the odds of that? Less than 10%. And then if he did river a jack, he'd probably donk it half the time. Why would anyone consider checking behind this river? That's just taking a big bet and throwing it in the trash can. Oh, and f*ck bet/fold. This is a bet/call. We have a better hand than what BB is likely to put us on, and there's a very good chance he just missed a draw. Unless you have a really strong read, you should never lay this down for one BB in a relatively large pot.

[Canada 0]

the pot is small enough where cleaning up outs is not that valuable here. my thinking on the flop raise is that you are a favorite on the flop if he has a 6 but a dog on the turn if you dont hit, so raise for a free card.really though its super close. if you just call youre going to get checked to on the turn a lot anyway.

You have a monster draw and you should be pushing here so this pot will be 8-10 BB by the river, that is not a small pot.Every spade above a 10 you fold, every card above an eight and every 7 or 2 you fold increases your equity. Its very likely that the SB is holding 2 of these cards. You may even get the best hand to fold if they only have bottom pair.Even a 6% increase in equity pays for itself with the added bonus of fold equity against the BB or free card plays

[DonkSlayer 1]

You have a monster draw

I don't really think so. You're acting like I had AsKs and just called on the button. Ya'll only know that the BB is weak here because he checked the turn...we had no idea what he had on the flop. I'm leading out from the bb on that flop whether I have a naked 6, 2 pair or a set.

[Canada 0]

I don't really think so. You're acting like I had AsKs and just called on the button. Ya'll only know that the BB is weak here because he checked the turn...we had no idea what he had on the flop. I'm leading out from the bb on that flop whether I have a naked 6, 2 pair or a set.

You have more outs than AsKs