BellaireDrew 2 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Villain is a 13/10/3 over 100hands. He is cappable of barreling multiple streets. I have seen him 3 bet quite alot and his range pre is probably 77+ AT+ and 67s+. What do you do on the flop and why? and what do you plan to do on the turn if it is a blank, an A. a J or T?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownCO ($49.95)Hero ($70.50)SB ($47.70)BB ($112.45)UTG ($33.05)MP ($36.85)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB raises to $7, UTG folds, Hero calls $5.Flop: ($14.75) K, 4, K(2 players)BB bets $8.6, Hero ? Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I doubt his 3bet range is that wide if he's playing 13/10, meaning we're probably up against 1010+, AQ, AK. If you've seen him barrel multiple streets, that would be our only readon for getting it in here. Standard line here is to call flop and reevaluate turn. Decide now if youre going to commit more if the turn is a blank. No use calling here and folding a blank turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Call and reevaluate turn. Link to post Share on other sites
BellaireDrew 2 Posted August 7, 2008 Author Share Posted August 7, 2008 I doubt his 3bet range is that wide if he's playing 13/10, meaning we're probably up against 1010+, AQ, AK. If you've seen him barrel multiple streets, that would be our only readon for getting it in here. Standard line here is to call flop and reevaluate turn. Decide now if youre going to commit more if the turn is a blank. No use calling here and folding a blank turn.I know it may seem wierd to give him such a big 3 bet range but he 3 bet alot, he almost never opened a pot, if he came into the pot he was 3 betting FWIWCall and reevaluate turn.what do you do on the turn cards i gave in op Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I know it may seem wierd to give him such a big 3 bet range but he 3 bet alot, he almost never opened a pot, if he came into the pot he was 3 betting FWIWOdd playstyle.. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I know it may seem wierd to give him such a big 3 bet range but he 3 bet alot, he almost never opened a pot, if he came into the pot he was 3 betting FWIWwhat do you do on the turn cards i gave in opWell obviously I'm feeling a lot better bout cards that aren't broadway (beside K's and Q's), and better yet if not clubs... but it's also dependent on turn action and how much he bets if he bets on what card. We do have that position thing. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I doubt his 3bet range is that wide if he's playing 13/10, meaning we're probably up against 1010+, AQ, AK. If you've seen him barrel multiple streets, that would be our only readon for getting it in here. Standard line here is to call flop and reevaluate turn. Decide now if youre going to commit more if the turn is a blank. No use calling here and folding a blank turn.Calling and folding the turn is fine Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I fold here because there is no way there is a ton of value in calling down here against a nit, if this was a crazy player you might have to, but even with his aggression he is going to have a hand that beats Q's a lot here.Since he is aggro he probably isn't going to stop firing either with a bluff or a made hand. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Villain is a 13/10/3 over 100hands. He is cappable of barreling multiple streets. I have seen him 3 bet quite alot and his range pre is probably 77+ AT+ and 67s+. What do you do on the flop and why? and what do you plan to do on the turn if it is a blank, an A. a J or T?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownCO ($49.95)Hero ($70.50)SB ($47.70)BB ($112.45)UTG ($33.05)MP ($36.85)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB raises to $7, UTG folds, Hero calls $5.Flop: ($14.75) K, 4, K(2 players)BB bets $8.6, Hero ?Gross. I think the flop is a raise/fold. I raise to like $22 and fold to a shove. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzzcase 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I think u should 4-bet preflop especially against an aggresive player .As played fold on the turn . Link to post Share on other sites
BellaireDrew 2 Posted August 7, 2008 Author Share Posted August 7, 2008 I think u should 4-bet preflop especially against an aggresive player .As played fold on the turn .why? Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Gross. I think the flop is a raise/fold. I raise to like $22 and fold to a shove.Raise folding acheives what exactly? He's never calling with a worse hand Link to post Share on other sites
nutzzcase 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 when u 4-bet u r taking the initiative and you are representing something strong. Now even if your opponent is very aggressive he is less likely to bet against you unless he has a hand . QQ is a strong hand but ur going to be in difficult situations everytime there is an A or K on the board. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzzcase 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 u just aliviate the pressure by 4-betting Link to post Share on other sites
BellaireDrew 2 Posted August 7, 2008 Author Share Posted August 7, 2008 u just aliviate the pressure by 4-bettingmaking it easy doesnt make us more money Link to post Share on other sites
nutzzcase 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 folding everytime there is an A or K on the board don't bring us money either Link to post Share on other sites
BellaireDrew 2 Posted August 7, 2008 Author Share Posted August 7, 2008 decided to call flop and eval turn. what do you do now?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownCO ($49.95)Hero ($70.50)SB ($47.70)BB ($112.45)UTG ($33.05)MP ($36.85)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB raises to $7, UTG folds, Hero calls $5.Flop: ($14.75) K, 4, K(2 players)BB bets $8.6, Hero calls $8.60.Turn: ($31.95) J(2 players)BB bets $11.5, Hero ? Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 decided to call flop and eval turn. what do you do now?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownCO ($49.95)Hero ($70.50)SB ($47.70)BB ($112.45)UTG ($33.05)MP ($36.85)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB raises to $7, UTG folds, Hero calls $5.Flop: ($14.75) K, 4, K(2 players)BB bets $8.6, Hero calls $8.60.Turn: ($31.95) J(2 players)BB bets $11.5, Hero ?fold and curse Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 decided to call flop and eval turn. what do you do now?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownCO ($49.95)Hero ($70.50)SB ($47.70)BB ($112.45)UTG ($33.05)MP ($36.85)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB raises to $7, UTG folds, Hero calls $5.Flop: ($14.75) K, 4, K(2 players)BB bets $8.6, Hero calls $8.60.Turn: ($31.95) J(2 players)BB bets $11.5, Hero ?I think cardcore's theorem might apply here. Shovel? Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 fold and curseez fold now Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 If villain is 3betting a lot shouldn't we be 4betting wider? I think it's a great time to 4bet. 4betting from LP against someone that 3bets out of the blinds doesn't get a ton of respect. I 4 bet to $19-21 pf.As played, I think you can call the turn, that bet is weird small. Link to post Share on other sites
BellaireDrew 2 Posted August 7, 2008 Author Share Posted August 7, 2008 If villain is 3betting a lot shouldn't we be 4betting wider? I think it's a great time to 4bet. 4betting from LP against someone that 3bets out of the blinds doesn't get a ton of respect. I 4 bet to $19-21 pf.As played, I think you can call the turn, that bet is weird small.thats what i was thinking Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 why? making it easy doesnt make us more moneyYou say the guy has a range of 77+ AT+ and 67s+ and you're not 4betting? /thread. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 As played, I think you can call the turn, that bet is weird small.Either villain is slowing down cause he doesn't have a king or the jack gave him the boat (KJ/JJ) and he's drawing you in. I'd feel better about calling the turn if I knew that villain wouldn't read our call of his small bet as weak and bluff shove the river as we would obviously be content with a check/check on the river.Tough Hand but I think that I would call the small turn bet just to get some notes on his river action. I'd fold to a shove on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 thats what i was thinkingITS BECAUSE HE IS A NIT! There is no way there is value in this hand! Link to post Share on other sites
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