Daniel's Femme Fatale

[Rowdy 0]

Good Morning Daniel: I talked to you personally this year at the WSOP on the H.O.R.S.E. day but didn't want to bother you with more than a casual introduction and I have also talked to you on here before, but I wanted to ask you a few questions if you are willing to think about my suggestion below.However, first I wanted to not post on all the threads where there are people, the few jerks/flamers on this site, making foolhardy statements like: "Daniel owed it to us to finish higher, to be more focused....why is Daniel golfing and not playing poker....Daniel's mind was too focused on success and money, on STACKED, etc. and not on poker anymore". Daniel: I am very proud of you that you have found a life that you are enjoying this year. And if you ask me, if anyone would look at your results this year, I think you had a great WSOP, finishing second in the TOC, finishing in the money out of over 8000+ people in the main event 229th, finishing in the money a few more times in the WSOP, even making a couple final tables, and all the while, keeping focus on your personal life and personal goals this year, outside of your poker career. I am so happy you are ENJOYING YOUR LIFE with your new wife, Lori, with a new hobby that you absolutely adore (GOLF) and spending some memorable time with people that you obviously enjoy surrounding yourself with that also enjoy your hobby. I think, opposite of your FLAMERS, that all of this has really added to your game and to your poker life. When you find something you love and poker is not your ONLY entire focus, then it makes poker that much more enjoyable when you are there playing, when you are not obsessed with it and it no longer becomes a grind. I know I don't have to tell you this, but please don't let anyone detract from your IMMENSE success this year. All your true FCP friends and fans think you did great, that you represented this site incredibly, and we are very proud of you. Okay, enough of that, but I really think that sometimes the jerks on this site can get under your skin, and hence, I really hate when you get to the point of doubting yourself because of some insignificant railbirds. Lastly, it is obvious by your last video blog that your feelings are hurt and you are angry. If Greg Raymer truly did say those things, I am really disappointed in him, because frankly, I don't think he is that kind of man, it didn't sound like him, and frankly, I know from several online friends we have in common that he likes and respects you very much, and frankly, I wouldn't put it past one of these jerks on here to try and hurt you by triangling something sick like this....anyway, please be open to the fact that he may not have said those things, but I do understand that you would be hurt and angry by the things that he said if indeed he did say them. This is sad how the elite 7's actions are even hurting those not involved in the suit.....I can see nothing but negative coming out of all this.... Okay, onto a positive note: A bunch of us ladies on this site want to ask you a question....Would you ever consider running a ladies PROTEGE contest and calling it something different, like the FEMME FATALE or something, showing that you can teach another woman (like you are said to have mentored Evelyn Ng into the game of poker), to prove how Daniel Negreanu can put out another protege, FEMALE, that can produce exceptional results from his mentoring, teaching, coaching, support. As you know Daniel, with the huge fields in tournaments like the protege, WSOP, WPT, etc. only being 1% to at the most 3% female/ladies, it is nearly impossible to find a female winner. Just getting to the final table or close to it is an immense success for the female players. Albeit, I am not complaining, as I love the challenge and it makes winning something with those odds that much more spectacular (i.e. like the day ever comes when there is a woman that wins or even finishes high up at the main event in the WSOP). I just want to see if you would be willing to do like you have done in the past with Evelyn Ng, like David Benyamine with his girlfriend, like Chip Jett with his wife, like Carlos Mortensen with Cecelia, like Barry Greenstein with Mimi Tran, Phil Laak and Jennifer Tilly, Michael Mizrachi and his wife, Paul Darden and his wife, etc. to take one of your female fans under your poker wing (through them having to qualify by winning a tourney online or possibly sponsoring one in Vegas or another casino somewhere, etc.). I am not trying to say you have to make a huge thing like you have done for the Protege with all the buy-ins and perks, just getting the individual instruction that you give would be ENOUGH OF A GIFT for me or any of us ladies that think the world of you.... I think it would be really incredible to see how far a lady would go that you have tutored/mentored. Look at the publicity....nowadays, anytime you see Mimi Tran it is mentioned how Barry Greenstein is her mentor, etc. It has really increased the publicity he got, just like your protege did for you, not that you need more publicity, but I think also the female aspect of caring to also mentor a lady player would be a big FEMALE FAN favorite. I also think that with your different skills than Barry's, meaning being such a people person, I think that your teaching skills would be even more effective with a female player, as they can understand and relate to you.... Well, okay, that is just my idea. I can't say that I myself wouldn't want to have this honor, as I would move heaven and earth if I could get it, but I would love to compete to be your lady PROTEGE/FEMME FATALE....just as I will keep competing in that vast field of men to claw my way as far as I can to be your PROTEGE 2. By the way, I wanted to also say that it has been very impressive the skills and obvious road to success that you have put FID-poker on, Brian Fidler your PROTEGE. He is an impressive young poker player and your fans here at FCP are proud of him also. Thanks again Daniel for all you do for us, for representing, for running cool promotions, for considering our requests, and most of all for obviously reading our forum comments and for showing us that your fans matter. Rowdy a-k-a Lorrie

[photojenn 0]

As another woman poker player I think having a woman Protege Contest is a great idea. Daniel -- I met you at the WSOP while you were signing autographs on Sunday. I won your jersey (and you signed it for me) while playing in your Full Contact Poker Sit and Go's at the WSOP booth. In fact, everyone was very shocked that the final two players on our table were both women. They said that was the first time for that to happen during all the sit and go's they were playing. I was also surprised at how much of a dude fest the WSOP exop was. I UNDERSTAND now when I tell people I play poker for a hobby why I get such werid looks. Way to many models and Paridise Poker booth was just downright scary. :)Keep up all the wonderful work you are doing. I completely agree with you that all the bracelet races they had after the start of the WSOP was very silly. I mean should just anybody be able to win a bracelet ? There are plenty of tournaments going on in the casinos around Vegas during that same same so i don't see the need in having them. Maybe what would be better is to have some workshops put on by professional players for people to attend after the start of the WSOP. And I also agree that there are way to many hold-em events at the WSOP. I love playing other poker games...such as HORSE or Omaha or even RAZZ. Best of luck, Jennifer

Good Morning Daniel: I talked to you personally this year at the WSOP on the H.O.R.S.E. day but didn't want to bother you with more than a casual introduction and I have also talked to you on here before, but I wanted to ask you a few questions if you are willing to think about my suggestion below.However, first I wanted to not post on all the threads where there are people, the few jerks/flamers on this site, making foolhardy statements like: "Daniel owed it to us to finish higher, to be more focused....why is Daniel golfing and not playing poker....Daniel's mind was too focused on success and money, on STACKED, etc. and not on poker anymore". Daniel: I am very proud of you that you have found a life that you are enjoying this year. And if you ask me, if anyone would look at your results this year, I think you had a great WSOP, finishing second in the TOC, finishing in the money out of over 8000+ people in the main event 229th, finishing in the money a few more times in the WSOP, even making a couple final tables, and all the while, keeping focus on your personal life and personal goals this year, outside of your poker career. I am so happy you are ENJOYING YOUR LIFE with your new wife, Lori, with a new hobby that you absolutely adore (GOLF) and spending some memorable time with people that you obviously enjoy surrounding yourself with that also enjoy your hobby. I think, opposite of your FLAMERS, that all of this has really added to your game and to your poker life. When you find something you love and poker is not your ONLY entire focus, then it makes poker that much more enjoyable when you are there playing, when you are not obsessed with it and it no longer becomes a grind. I know I don't have to tell you this, but please don't let anyone detract from your IMMENSE success this year. All your true FCP friends and fans think you did great, that you represented this site incredibly, and we are very proud of you. Okay, enough of that, but I really think that sometimes the jerks on this site can get under your skin, and hence, I really hate when you get to the point of doubting yourself because of some insignificant railbirds. Lastly, it is obvious by your last video blog that your feelings are hurt and you are angry. If Greg Raymer truly did say those things, I am really disappointed in him, because frankly, I don't think he is that kind of man, it didn't sound like him, and frankly, I know from several online friends we have in common that he likes and respects you very much, and frankly, I wouldn't put it past one of these jerks on here to try and hurt you by triangling something sick like this....anyway, please be open to the fact that he may not have said those things, but I do understand that you would be hurt and angry by the things that he said if indeed he did say them. This is sad how the elite 7's actions are even hurting those not involved in the suit.....I can see nothing but negative coming out of all this.... Okay, onto a positive note: A bunch of us ladies on this site want to ask you a question....Would you ever consider running a ladies PROTEGE contest and calling it something different, like the FEMME FATALE or something, showing that you can teach another woman (like you are said to have mentored Evelyn Ng into the game of poker), to prove how Daniel Negreanu can put out another protege, FEMALE, that can produce exceptional results from his mentoring, teaching, coaching, support. As you know Daniel, with the huge fields in tournaments like the protege, WSOP, WPT, etc. only being 1% to at the most 3% female/ladies, it is nearly impossible to find a female winner. Just getting to the final table or close to it is an immense success for the female players. Albeit, I am not complaining, as I love the challenge and it makes winning something with those odds that much more spectacular (i.e. like the day ever comes when there is a woman that wins or even finishes high up at the main event in the WSOP). I just want to see if you would be willing to do like you have done in the past with Evelyn Ng, like David Benyamine with his girlfriend, like Chip Jett with his wife, like Carlos Mortensen with Cecelia, like Barry Greenstein with Mimi Tran, Phil Laak and Jennifer Tilly, Michael Mizrachi and his wife, Paul Darden and his wife, etc. to take one of your female fans under your poker wing (through them having to qualify by winning a tourney online or possibly sponsoring one in Vegas or another casino somewhere, etc.). I am not trying to say you have to make a huge thing like you have done for the Protege with all the buy-ins and perks, just getting the individual instruction that you give would be ENOUGH OF A GIFT for me or any of us ladies that think the world of you.... I think it would be really incredible to see how far a lady would go that you have tutored/mentored. Look at the publicity....nowadays, anytime you see Mimi Tran it is mentioned how Barry Greenstein is her mentor, etc. It has really increased the publicity he got, just like your protege did for you, not that you need more publicity, but I think also the female aspect of caring to also mentor a lady player would be a big FEMALE FAN favorite. I also think that with your different skills than Barry's, meaning being such a people person, I think that your teaching skills would be even more effective with a female player, as they can understand and relate to you.... Well, okay, that is just my idea. I can't say that I myself wouldn't want to have this honor, as I would move heaven and earth if I could get it, but I would love to compete to be your lady PROTEGE/FEMME FATALE....just as I will keep competing in that vast field of men to claw my way as far as I can to be your PROTEGE 2. By the way, I wanted to also say that it has been very impressive the skills and obvious road to success that you have put FID-poker on, Brian Fidler your PROTEGE. He is an impressive young poker player and your fans here at FCP are proud of him also. Thanks again Daniel for all you do for us, for representing, for running cool promotions, for considering our requests, and most of all for obviously reading our forum comments and for showing us that your fans matter. Rowdy a-k-a Lorrie

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

To be blunt, i think that a woman protege contest would be demeaning. Women want to be viewed as equals to men at the poker table, and I don't know how much of a great accomplishment finding the best woman on FCP would be, when there don't appear to be many in the first place. A woman made the protege 1 final table, and did very well considering how card dead she was. With fidler's cards, she could easily have been the protege.Daniel said he thinks the title of "best woman player" for Jen H is demeaning because she's one of the best players period. From discussions I've had with some very outspoken women on issues like this, it would seem that in an activity where there is no physical limitation based on gender (ie. weightlifting), that being the "best woman" at something is almost insulting, as there's no reason a woman can't be the best overall at that same activity. The protege promotion is easily one of the best promotions I've seen from an online site, but it's still that - a promotion. The protege is a marketing tool to bring people to the site, so they will play here outside of the promotion, and generate rake for the owners of FCP. It's not a secret, and it doesn't take an advanced degree to figure it out. Clearly Daniel and the staff put their hearts and souls into the Protege contest, and genuinely want him / her to do well. However, from a business perspective, I don't think the effort and prizes involved would justify the women players that would join the site. Anyway, interesting idea at the very least.

[mrs_c 0]

Sorry Rowdy, photojean.... but I tend to agree more w/ naked_cowboy on this issue. Women only events are great. I've played them before and I think they serve an important purpose by exposing women to tournaments in a fun, competitive environment, that is supposed to be less threatening......I honestly believe as fun as these events are, they can limit us as poker players. Every poker player develops a well-rounded game by playing all types of people. We are not 1% of a field competing against all the males.... we are single players competing against every person at our table... finding the best response in each situation to neutralize our opponents. I didn't qualify as the token woman in the Protege contest... I qualified because I beat my simi-final table which I had no idea of the gender of the participants.Besides, if I only played women... I'd be broke... Take care...- Fern

[chrozzo 19]

a poker tournamnet only for women, sounds sexist..i mean, you dont hear of any men- only tournaments do you?

[riverbender 0]

OMG no way could he do a women only thing. If he did that we'd have 20 "DN is gay" threads!Seriously though, I do understand the want of a girls only kinda thing. I tire of the constant "I'd stick it in her" (as if she'd let you!! LMAO ) in the middle of a hand analysis. Might be part of the reason why there are apparently so few women here and elsewhere. The atmosphere is certainly not a friendly one most of the time. It's a guy thing I guess.IMO being a woman at the table can sometimes be an advantage. I too would be offended by a girls only thing. And Like Mrs C, I have no problems beating the boys up at the tables.At the tables men and women, old and young, beauty and the beast are all equals. The only thing that counts are one's abilities. Hard to find that anywhere else these days.

[SeanPhillippi 0]

a poker tournamnet only for women, sounds sexist..i mean, you dont hear of any men- only tournaments do you?

I would guess too many to count. How many home games are for "just the boys"?

[yergan 0]

I would guess too many to count. How many home games are for "just the boys"?

What do you think would happen if DN said that the Protege is only for guys?**** would hit the fan big time.

[chrozzo 19]

I would guess too many to count. How many home games are for "just the boys"?

yeah that phrase certainly sounds officialthere are NO men only tournaments, per any official rules

[acesfull333 0]

my .02...I can see both sides of this...on the one hand, there's nothing about the Protege contest that is biased towards men... a woman has an equal chance with any man... however, given the sheer number of men that will play versus women, it's unlikely that a woman will be able to win (just like the pros versus amateurs in the ME)...now, if DN wanted to do something to promote women in poker, then I think a 'femme fatale' protege contest would be a great idea!!! and I wouldn't be surprised to see him do something like this in the future.. DN's always been a leader in promoting poker and having more ladies involved in the game would certainly be a good thing!

[canadapoker5 0]

A player like Daniel is not out there just to make money. He wants to help the game grow and if you can make money in the process, I do no fault him i`m sure there are many people that would do that. Most people don`t let negative press bother them and I am sure Daniel isn`t worried by what may be considered idiotic commentsI think the Femme Fatale Women-Only Protege idea in a post I read is a great way to further show equality in sports.

[tizzerd 0]

how bout we just do something totally crazy and off the wall........lets have one tournament for EVERYBODY and whoever is the best? wins? i know it sounds crazy but i dunno the cards dont care if you have a weiner or not so just play and try to be the best.

[Fatty McSlim 0]

Women can play as good as men if they practice at it, so having a special Protege contest just for them would simply make it harder on the men who play co-ed for the prize.

[chrozzo 19]

most bad drivers are womenscientific fact

[JeremyG 0]

most bad drivers are womenscientific fact

Actually it's the other way around, historically women's auto insurance rates were lower but then came "equality" so instead of loweirng men's rates, they raised womens. :)Anyway for a women's protege contest... I couldn't care less but if you do it online I can guarantee you'll have men playing, if one happens to win he'll transer the seat to a woman.My wife plays in (and does very well) the women's WSOP Circuit events but not because she feels she's "not as good" as men, the reason is that she knows she is much better than most women players. It's a MUCH softer field, and that's coming from here. She could play and do well with the men, or she can play, and have a much better chance to win, with the women. Also she finds that she likes playing in tourneys with less players, and the women's events always have less entrants.

[chrozzo 19]

Actually it's the other way around, historically women's auto insurance rates were lower but then came "equality" so instead of loweirng men's rates, they raised womens.

Dammit

[Ramocita 0]

This is a great idea!