Unedited Fwp Advive

[FoxwoodsPro 0]

k this all came off the top of my head, a buddy who keeps depositing 30-50 bucks and is new to poker wants my help. I've railed his play cuz he is one of my BFFs. What do you guys think in general or get specific. Its long read if you want. no grammar responses, it was AIMstretch1430: ive decided im becomin a grinderXJoKeR15x: hjahahhahaXJoKeR15x: u made me spit all over myselfstretch1430: hahahastretch1430: im not jokin now more of this bullshit of playin shitty handsXJoKeR15x: bluffamentsstretch1430: im gonna start multitabling small stakesXJoKeR15x: oh so youll make 5 times more decisions without bluffing your stackXJoKeR15x: LOLLLLLLLLLLstretch1430: yastretch1430: is that smart?stretch1430: like roundersstretch1430: 1 big hand and hourstretch1430: an hourstretch1430: im foldin 9s full of aces everytimestretch1430: hahastretch1430: its time for me to profitXJoKeR15x: your best bet it to deposit 100XJoKeR15x: play nothing but 5 dollar sit and gos 9 handedstretch1430: i was thinkin thatstretch1430: trueXJoKeR15x: NO MATTER WHATstretch1430: how bout a couple heads upsXJoKeR15x: noXJoKeR15x: stay consistentXJoKeR15x: no tiltstretch1430: dude im good at heads upstretch1430: when i dont bluffstretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: youll have 18 tourneysXJoKeR15x: not donk it off in 5-10stretch1430: well if i play smartXJoKeR15x: you wont go 0/18 obvstretch1430: i can win mad lootXJoKeR15x: ya the right play is do 5 sngs til you got to 200XJoKeR15x: 300XJoKeR15x: then go to 10sXJoKeR15x: i dont trust u at a cash gamestretch1430: then to 50sXJoKeR15x: sorrystretch1430: lolstretch1430: i can work cash games i just get greedyXJoKeR15x: u have donkish tendencies as do I, but I only have those tendencies with 10 bucks at the tablestretch1430: and think like im god and hope for people to foldstretch1430: well if all im gonna play is 5 dollar sit and gos i might as well just buy a 30 dollar cardstretch1430: and get it up to 100stretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: with 30XJoKeR15x: thas 5 buy insXJoKeR15x: not comfortableXJoKeR15x: if you get down to under 20stretch1430: and if i win 2 out of the 5stretch1430: i have 50XJoKeR15x: HU match or cashXJoKeR15x: as alwaysstretch1430: ya ur rightstretch1430: u know me so wellXJoKeR15x: i tell you the right playXJoKeR15x: u just gotta follow throughstretch1430: ur rightXJoKeR15x: all these 30s add upXJoKeR15x: make 1 deposit of a 100XJoKeR15x: itl last 3 weeks atleastXJoKeR15x: or 3 monthsXJoKeR15x: if u stick to the planstretch1430: 30 years?stretch1430: hahastretch1430: well if i do a 100stretch1430: can i have fun every once and a whilestretch1430: and do like tourneyXJoKeR15x: with profitXJoKeR15x: and 180 tourneysXJoKeR15x: not with under a 100stretch1430: truestretch1430: damn the only problem is i cant just round up a hundo out of my ***stretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: ITS ALL TRUE MOTHER ****ERRRRRRstretch1430: i cant just take that out of the bank account mom will be like wat the ****stretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: dude i know you can compe up with an excuseXJoKeR15x: sox gameXJoKeR15x: video gamestretch1430: ill buy likie 30 dollar worth of scratch ticketsXJoKeR15x: i know i couldstretch1430: and hope to get luckystretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: play allan heads up for 50stretch1430: hahastretch1430: idk wats wrong with mestretch1430: like im good enough to win money right if i dont do stupid **** like i usually dostretch1430: yo u think i should buy a 100 dollar cardstretch1430: and play 10 dollar sit and goesstretch1430: i like them so much betterXJoKeR15x: THINKKKKKKKXJoKeR15x: ASSSSSSSSSXJoKeR15x: you play 5 dollar oneXJoKeR15x: win 5 profit atleast then play a 10 XJoKeR15x: LIKE I SAID PLAY WITH PROFITTTTXJoKeR15x: if you lose stick to 5sXJoKeR15x: AVOID GOING BROKEstretch1430: so wat ur sayin is if im under 100 only play 5 dollar sit and goesstretch1430: and maybe the occasional 3 dollar 45 person?XJoKeR15x: yesXJoKeR15x: over 100 you can take shots at 10sXJoKeR15x: but once 100 hits back to 5stretch1430: trueXJoKeR15x: avoid depositing againstretch1430: ur rightstretch1430: im sick of itXJoKeR15x: but no HU no cashXJoKeR15x: just theseXJoKeR15x: they are softstretch1430: okay if i get over 200 then can i do the occasional HUXJoKeR15x: if you wantXJoKeR15x: i dont really think you good at themXJoKeR15x: honestlystretch1430: dude if i dont play like a ******stretch1430: thats how i got up to 150XJoKeR15x: you DONT BET RIGHTTXJoKeR15x: and thats hugeeeeeeeeeeeeestretch1430: ur the one that told me to stick to themstretch1430: well when dont i bet rightstretch1430: when i bluffXJoKeR15x: no when you min raise, when hes obv gonna callstretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: pot of 120 you dont bet 30 stretch1430: i can learnXJoKeR15x: you bet 50-100 depending on the flopXJoKeR15x: every hand has a "FLOP TEXTURE" you need to recognize thatXJoKeR15x: you need to put your opponent on a range of hands and bet accordinglystretch1430: truestretch1430: aight so say u put ur opponent on a flush draw on the flopstretch1430: u bet he callsstretch1430: the flush draw comes out wat do u dostretch1430: if ur first to actXJoKeR15x: k depends on your hand and your readXJoKeR15x: top pair avg kicker heads up is strongXJoKeR15x: so you want to protectXJoKeR15x: you bet 1/2 to 3/4 the flop, if the flush comes he bets you try to get a readXJoKeR15x: did you put him on a flush draw or is he taking advantage of your checkXJoKeR15x: are you getting the right price to callXJoKeR15x: 200 pot he bets 50XJoKeR15x: easy callXJoKeR15x: he bets 200 go with your readstretch1430: see my problem is like i dont think i just reraise big to try to scareXJoKeR15x: that is a leak of your i noticedXJoKeR15x: think of it this way what does this raise do, if he calls what hand would he call with that i can beat if he raises same tthought processstretch1430: aight tell me wats wrong with my gamestretch1430: everything wrongstretch1430: like top 3 thingsstretch1430: in orderstretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: amount of bet XJoKeR15x: understanding flop textureXJoKeR15x: putting your opponent ona range instead of basically playing just your 2 cards and not thinking of hs 2stretch1430: truestretch1430: aight help my confidence wat do i do goodXJoKeR15x: its not what you do good these are 3 huge leaksXJoKeR15x: correct them and your goodstretch1430: well help my confidencestretch1430: wat dont i need to work on that muchstretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: hand selectionXJoKeR15x: u have good hand selection just protect it morestretch1430: truestretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: you can make plays but you need to understand why your making plays and why your opponent would believe youXJoKeR15x: youve made some ****ed up plays with just ace high on the riverXJoKeR15x: thats the worse thing ive seen you dostretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: and when you make a play have a read and understand the pot size so its not an nsta callXJoKeR15x: 500 pot guy bets 50 you make a play and raise to 300stretch1430: even if i just have ace highstretch1430: lolXJoKeR15x: so he is getting 250 to win 900XJoKeR15x: wont workstretch1430: aightstretch1430: questionstretch1430: something i really like dont play consistantly stretch1430: in the early positionstretch1430: obviousl raise with AK and high pocket pairsstretch1430: but how do i play middle to low pairsstretch1430: 2 face cards with niether being acesstretch1430: and like middle suited connectoresXJoKeR15x: your playing .05.010- i limp with ak first 33 percent of time, if your playing with a small role, I limp with the face cards and suited connectors, cuz if you raise and get called you have no idea where your att, I call the 3x or 4x raise with connectors pocket pairs but fold with A 2 - 10, so you know someone MAY have some strength XJoKeR15x: people get paid a lot more with deceptive cards that witth AQ -A 10stretch1430: aigh so say i have Axstretch1430: and i limp under the gunXJoKeR15x: but I play AK-AJ to 3x a raise a lot, but flop texture comes into play after, and I can release AJ on a A 10 5 boardstretch1430: and someone raisesXJoKeR15x: and you need to tooXJoKeR15x: fold unless its suited and you can see a flop relatively cheeapXJoKeR15x: if you dont flop trips 2 pair or flush draw you fold most of timstretch1430: so wat is the lowest Ax that u will play preflop after a substantial raiseXJoKeR15x: get off cheap because you dont want to invest much in a hand like this with just top pairXJoKeR15x: unsuited JXJoKeR15x: maybe 10 if its heads upXJoKeR15x: besides that a foldstretch1430: so say i have top pair after the flopstretch1430: say the flop is K 10 4stretch1430: do i raise substantialstretch1430: and just win it thereXJoKeR15x: kickerstretch1430: say its K9XJoKeR15x: position is it suited back door flush flush drawstretch1430: no flush drawXJoKeR15x: HU?stretch1430: nostretch1430: like 3-4stretch1430: handedXJoKeR15x: are you first 2 3rd to actstretch1430: yesXJoKeR15x: first to act with k9 you check, since your prob in blinds, what kind of hands not in the blinds would see a flop K 10 k j kq , jq pocket pairsXJoKeR15x: no value in betting that flop, with k9 id assume I was beat until it was checked aroundXJoKeR15x: then if non scared card comes on turn I bet flop to see whgere im atstretch1430: aight say ur either last or second to last to actstretch1430: and its checked to uXJoKeR15x: pot is a dollar 2nd or last to act bet .75 to protect and find out where your atXJoKeR15x: not ****ing 20 cents!!!!!!!!!stretch1430: aight say i have a hand like A10 on that flopstretch1430: no flush drawXJoKeR15x: same play 3/4 or 4/4 to actXJoKeR15x: you need informationstretch1430: yastretch1430: so i betXJoKeR15x: check you get no infoXJoKeR15x: small bet not muchstretch1430: aight say im first 2 to actstretch1430: check?XJoKeR15x: with k 9stretch1430: nostretch1430: A10XJoKeR15x: ya defXJoKeR15x: then if they bet 1/2 pot or less easy callXJoKeR15x: thinking you have 6 outs to win a huge pot cheaplystretch1430: damn im studying more about poker than calculusstretch1430: hahaXJoKeR15x: its not the same thing lolstretch1430: aight u said earlierstretch1430: ud play Ax suited if it were cheapstretch1430: would u play Kx sutied if it cost the samestretch1430: or maybe QxXJoKeR15x: limp or call min raiseXJoKeR15x: depending on X im looking for 1 specific thing on flopXJoKeR15x: sp i call with Q 8 and q 10 5 flop I get away easyXJoKeR15x: all depending on read as wellXJoKeR15x: cant be to definitivew without knowing your opponentXJoKeR15x: but you make same plays against all opponentsXJoKeR15x: which IS A HUGE LEAKstretch1430: icstretch1430: so should i mix up my play from time to timestretch1430: like say on the turn of the river check when first to act instead of raisingXJoKeR15x: yes of couse its a read and feel thingstretch1430: or betting and if say im reraised foldin most of the time but actually callin sometimesXJoKeR15x: no text book answerXJoKeR15x: plus your playing with a small rollXJoKeR15x: you can change gears a lot easier and cheaper in a sng then a cashXJoKeR15x: thats why I want you playing sngsstretch1430: aightstretch1430: so should i play hard early in sngsstretch1430: with like AKstretch1430: and high pocketsXJoKeR15x: at a 5 dollar tourney yesXJoKeR15x: see lots of flops cheap with a wide range of handXJoKeR15x: connectors suited or not for the minstretch1430: so when do u only play premium handsXJoKeR15x: play 65 percent of hands roughly in first round stretch1430: in higher stakes sngXJoKeR15x: ive played a 500 dollar sit and go on partyXJoKeR15x: got 6th A q - A*XJoKeR15x: 8XJoKeR15x: can you ****ing believe thatstretch1430: ya thats sucksstretch1430: so wat does that sayXJoKeR15x: now playing these bull **** stakesstretch1430: play alot more conservitiveXJoKeR15x: every tables diffXJoKeR15x: your opponents dictate your play to an extentXJoKeR15x: tight table you loosen upXJoKeR15x: loose tqable you play tightXJoKeR15x: but u should play ABC for nowXJoKeR15x: your still relatively newstretch1430: ya i dont know why i play like thisstretch1430: like a donkstretch1430: its like i dont think its real moneystretch1430: lol

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

i dont understand the question, and I wont respond to it.

[fatman 1]

Holy crap that was long. Anyone have the cliff notes?

[chgocubs99 0]

k this all came off the top of my head, a buddy who keeps depositing 30-50 bucks and is new to poker wants my help. I've railed his play cuz he is one of my BFFs. What do you guys think in general or get specific. Its long read if you want. no grammar responses, it was AIM

I could not continue after reading that, sorry.

[FoxwoodsPro 0]

no worries I know its long, just thought it may be an interesting read.. or debate

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

no worries I know its long, just thought it may be an interesting read.. or debate

is this a kindler, gentler FWP????I feel bad now.

[chrozzo 19]

suited jsut spit all over me reading that

[Patrik Antonius 0]

I could not continue after reading that, sorry.

[conor_mw 0]

I could not continue after reading that, sorry.

BFFs like what were you thinking writing that LOL . do you have a vagina FXWDSPRO ? cause only vaginas use that saying

[Miguel McHarris 0]

Well the cost of living in California is very high, but the weather's beautiful and there's some great weed. Personally I'm an east coast kinda guy, it's more "real" and I like the snow, but hey to each his own, take a shot!

[FoxwoodsPro 0]

I like the BFF saying lol, its a joke obv. I guess i;ve seen that verizon commercial too much...lol at you guys thinking I really talk like thatBFF = sooooooo funny IMO

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

suited jsut spit all over me reading that

sawyy.Ill lick it up.

[fatman 1]

I like the BFF saying lol, its a joke obv. I guess i;ve seen that verizon commercial too much...lol at you guys thinking I really talk like thatBFF = sooooooo funny IMO

nice try

[acesup85 0]

The length of that post was not necessary. Get to the point if you want anyone to help you or not criticize you. Just a tip.BTW, don't mention BFF's either.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

The length of that post was not necessary. Get to the point if you want anyone to help you or not criticize you. Just a tip.

This is awesome.

[StupidKid 0]

I like the BFF saying lol, its a joke obv. I guess i;ve seen that verizon commercial too much...lol at you guys thinking I really talk like thatBFF = sooooooo funny IMO

I kinda guessed this obv. Your advice seems solid enough BR wise yet your friend seems like the kind of player I'd want at my table...Get him to read stuff on poker, theres so many articles on the inet, esp sng strat.

[FoxwoodsPro 0]

meh i said unedited and long, ive never uttered the words "best friend for ever" vocally but I like typing it as a joke or expression of man love i didnt know that would side track the whole thread lol

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

man love i didnt know that would side track the whole thread lol

Man love sidetracks ALL threads.

[fatman 1]

meh i said unedited and long, ive never uttered the words "best friend for ever" vocally but I like typing it as a joke or expression of man love i didnt know that would side track the whole thread lol

once again...nice try

[chaosnhavoc 0]

dancing locks anyone?

[SpiderGuard 0]

I'll give you some honest advice on the little bit of that conversation I skimmed. If you honestly want to help him, giving general advice like "Look at the texture of the flop" in IM isn't helpful. Look at poker books you've read. Do they sort of meander around different discussions of poker in a sort of stream of consciousness fashion? Or do they go in order? Super System is a good example. Every chapter (I think) starts off with starting hands and position. That should give your buddy plenty to think about. Then just teach him very basic flop play - starting with good hands bet, bad hands don't. Why are continuation bets important? Then move on to pot odds. Then move on to basic SNG chip management (when it's time to push, when it's time to fold). Teach him to play his own cards before teaching him to play his opponent's cards (putting your opponent on a range). Then you can start getting in to second level thinking aspects of the game. Telling him vaguely to "get a read" on his opponent is a complete waste of everyone's time.

[FoxwoodsPro 0]

ty, but I did cover this to an extent, this is an ongoing thing. Continuatin bets are important for understanding the right amont and purpose of bet which I covered.we have discussed playing ABC low limit is a strong strategythe sng strategy is in the near future, i didnt find a need to discuss it heretel him to get a read is vague because it is a personal thing and differs with every table someones at, how can I get specific there?Its not wasting his time because I'm just trying to include that in his thought process like I said just dont play your 2 cardss..

[psufans2 1]

so i read the whole thing thinking it was about me cuz im obv your bff then i realized i am not that bad lol.now my head hurts since thats more reading for me since like 6th grade so im now going back to .01 .02 to get rid of that.... i mean enlarge the pain

[SpiderGuard 0]

This part of the conversation indicates to me that he doesn't get ABC strategy:

stretch1430: truestretch1430: aight so say u put ur opponent on a flush draw on the flopstretch1430: u bet he callsstretch1430: the flush draw comes out wat do u dostretch1430: if ur first to actXJoKeR15x: k depends on your hand and your readXJoKeR15x: top pair avg kicker heads up is strongXJoKeR15x: so you want to protectXJoKeR15x: you bet 1/2 to 3/4 the flop, if the flush comes he bets you try to get a readXJoKeR15x: did you put him on a flush draw or is he taking advantage of your checkXJoKeR15x: are you getting the right price to callXJoKeR15x: 200 pot he bets 50XJoKeR15x: easy callXJoKeR15x: he bets 200 go with your readstretch1430: see my problem is like i dont think i just reraise big to try to scare

This is sort of a basic question, and his idea that he reraises big to try to scare indicates that he's just kind of an aggro-donk with no clue about things like controlling the size of the pot. ABC poker isn't just "Raise with premium hands, continuation bet, channel Gus Hansen and bet like crazy hoping he goes away."And you're right, reads aren't something you can really teach in IM, so don't bother.

[msals11 0]

lol this thread is funny