Zach6668 513 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Yayayaya Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The Canucks are awful. In general, or this trade? Im more apt to agree with "in general". Not sure this is that bad of a trade, maybe even a good one. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 It's not a good one. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 In general, or this trade? Im more apt to agree with "in general". Not sure this is that bad of a trade, maybe even a good one. Both Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 It's not a good one. You dont like Sutter? Is that it? I kind of liked him on Carolina, cant say I have seen him play much with Pitts though. It seems he may be overpaid. I thought he made a really good #3C, with possible #2C upside on an average team. I think his all around game is better than his fantasy value, whereas Bonino has fantasy upside, but his all around game is weak, to very weak. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 You dont like Sutter? Is that it? I kind of liked him on Carolina, cant say I have seen him play much with Pitts though. It seems he may be overpaid. I thought he made a really good #3C, with possible #2C upside on an average team. I think his all around game is better than his fantasy value, whereas Bonino has fantasy upside, but his all around game is weak, to very weak. I don't think he's a good 3C at all. His defensive value couldn't possibly be more overrated. He can't do anything on his own, either, which is something at least Jordan Staal could do. That's based mostly on the eye test, ie me watching him play every game for two years, in his supposed prime, with maybe even extra attention due to having him in the AHL. The fancy stats back this up, too. My guess is Bonino is at least as successful as he was in a similar role. It'll be interesting to see how Sutter fares in Vancouver, where they think he can be a #2. And this isn't me Serging it because he's gone. I'm sure people can go back and find me ragging on Sutter over the last year or so, though I tried to minimize it so I could still trade him in the AHL. Lol. Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 And so logically, the fact that you use it...? Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Looks like Benning is going to compound his Mistake by signing sutter for 5 years at 4+ million Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Looks like Benning is going to compound his Mistake by signing sutter for 5 years at 4+ million that's going All In Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I can't for the life of me figure out why they wouldn't want to see him play on their team before shelling out for term. It's weird. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 That Vorachek deal is stupid. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's certainly not a discount, but it's not really an overpay either IMO Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's certainly not a discount, but it's not really an overpay either IMO eight plus million a year for eight years for a guy that never scored 30 goals even playing with stars? Huge overpay IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 eight plus million a year for eight years for a guy that never scored 30 goals even playing with stars? Huge overpay IMO. 10th in the league in scoring over the last 3 seasons and 4th last year It is an overpay but I don't think that big of one http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-3-nhl-seasons-players-stats.html Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 8 million is pretty much the going rate for a point per game first liner. I would have thought they'd get a bit of a discount for going 8 years, but it's not outrageous. The fancy stats on Voracek are even better than the counting stats too for what that's worth. The "playing with stars" angle might be more apt for Voraceks line mates. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'm biased, but I think Voracek is a superstar type, in play, if not in name. Last year there were many a game where I thought he was better than Giroux, and was the catalyst for that line. Not sure he will keep it up for 8 years, but based on last year/couple of years, well worth the money IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'm curious to see how his numbers play out the rest of his career. If he has even two more seasons of 80ish points, that'd be quite impressive. He looked downright dominant in a bunch of games I saw him in last year. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 You guys could be right about Vorachek. I think the new way of beating the cap system is sign players to huge deals that overpays them slightly now but buys you a three or four years at the end where he's below market value. I think it does mean that Stamkos will get approx. 71 million per year. Link to post Share on other sites
davidfrost 0 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 That's a lot! For what it's worth, I think he deserves it. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Wasn't David Frost the agent that Mike Danton tried to have killed? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 Patrick Kane being investigated on rape allegations. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 which is surprising unless you've ever seen a picture of Patrick Kane 1 Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Patrick Kane being investigated on rape allegations. I dont know why, but this saddens me. With most atheletes its anger/frustration, but with hockey guys that I like, its just disappoinment. I feel like hockey players are better than this, and yet, who knows. I hope its not true. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Phil Kessel's Parents Are Top-Notch Craigslist Sellers Link to post Share on other sites
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