BuffDan 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Am I reading this thread right? Is masturbation really being compared to beating old ladies with sticks and molesting 7 year olds? As a single solitary activity that cannot possibly hurt others and can relieve stress and make you feel better with again, no consequence to others (so in that respect it is even not as bad as drug use), how can this be bad? Oh right, that invisible guy wrote that book that says we can't do things that make us feel good.Yes, it can be addictive, and like every other activity in life can be potentially bad for you if overdone. So can drinking water. When I get into conversations with my parents about Catholicism, and when they ask me "what is the harm in believing" it is issues like this, where an activity that could potentially improve the quality of your life while hurting nobody, but are forbidden, that the harm lies. Link to post Share on other sites
DerekTah 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Am I reading this thread right? Is masturbation really being compared to beating old ladies with sticks and molesting 7 year olds? As a single solitary activity that cannot possibly hurt others and can relieve stress and make you feel better with again, no consequence to others (so in that respect it is even not as bad as drug use), how can this be bad? Oh right, that invisible guy wrote that book that says we can't do things that make us feel good.Yes, it can be addictive, and like every other activity in life can be potentially bad for you if overdone. So can drinking water. When I get into conversations with my parents about Catholicism, and when they ask me "what is the harm in believing" it is issues like this, where an activity that could potentially improve the quality of your life while hurting nobody, but are forbidden, that the harm lies.Actually the act that is forbidden is lusting not masterbation. So as long as you don't lust you can masterbate whenever you want. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Actually the act that is forbidden is lusting not masterbation. So as long as you don't lust you can masterbate whenever you want. Which is impossible, therefore..... good job,Mr. Tah. Link to post Share on other sites
DerekTah 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Which is impossible, therefore..... good job,Mr. Tah.Can you prove it impossible, maybe it just something no person has been able to accomplish yet? Link to post Share on other sites
jmkiser 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Thats foolish talk. The guy said Anderson university right. Even though I have never meet or talked with these people, clearly by what he/she was writing I can make sweaping judgements about the state of their christian belief. Does Jesus not say "judge people you never meet before based on the people they know on a casual basis?"Because I was clearly stating that Christians need to attend a Christian university... yeah, you need to actual read what is being said before you jump in with comments that have nothing to do with the conversation.Lois made the comment that I know no "real" Christians.Anderson UniversityLook through it, Lois, and tell me how these people aren't Christians. Plenty of Church of Christ members attend here as well... plus it has the famous Church of God convention EVERY summer... and almost every recognizable Christian mind has been through this campus. Link to post Share on other sites
jmkiser 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Am I reading this thread right? Is masturbation really being compared to beating old ladies with sticks and molesting 7 year olds? As a single solitary activity that cannot possibly hurt others and can relieve stress and make you feel better with again, no consequence to others (so in that respect it is even not as bad as drug use), how can this be bad? Oh right, that invisible guy wrote that book that says we can't do things that make us feel good.Yes, it can be addictive, and like every other activity in life can be potentially bad for you if overdone. So can drinking water. When I get into conversations with my parents about Catholicism, and when they ask me "what is the harm in believing" it is issues like this, where an activity that could potentially improve the quality of your life while hurting nobody, but are forbidden, that the harm lies.Sadly, you are reading this thread right and those comparisons have been made Link to post Share on other sites
DerekTah 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Because I was clearly stating that Christians need to attend a Christian university... yeah, you need to actual read what is being said before you jump in with comments that have nothing to do with the conversation.Lois made the comment that I know no "real" Christians.I don't even mind the rest of what you said about me, but I been trying to figure the beginning sentence. How did you manage to put what I said into the idea that I thought you stated Christians need to attend a Christian university? I was commenting on Lois ability to state that you meet no christians purly based on your remarks.As for the rest your post your right, I need to keep my smart *** remarks to myself, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Can you prove it impossible, maybe it just something no person has been able to accomplish yet? What drives one to masturbate in the first place? What triggers it? Ham sandwiches? An evening out with mom? Think, man, this isn't all that hard. Ha,ha, I said hard. Link to post Share on other sites
BuffDan 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Actually the act that is forbidden is lusting not masterbation. So as long as you don't lust you can masterbate whenever you want.Ok, then let's turn the question around to "why is lust so bad?" Yes it is a sin, but it is it really bad to want something, again provided you do not let it consume you? I would say a little fantasy is good in life, be it achieved in watching a movie about a job that is cooler than my own or thinking about a beautiful woman. If it feels good and doesn't harm anyone, including myself, then why not do it? But oh yeah, this book from 2000 years ago says I can't so I guess I can't.So yes, I will grant you that masturbation and porn are sins as they stem from lust, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily harmful or detrimental; a little of it may even be healthy. Link to post Share on other sites
jmkiser 0 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Ok, then let's turn the question around to "why is lust so bad?" Yes it is a sin, but it is it really bad to want something, again provided you do not let it consume you? I would say a little fantasy is good in life, be it achieved in watching a movie about a job that is cooler than my own or thinking about a beautiful woman. If it feels good and doesn't harm anyone, including myself, then why not do it? But oh yeah, this book from 2000 years ago says I can't so I guess I can't.So yes, I will grant you that masturbation and porn are sins as they stem from lust, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily harmful or detrimental; a little of it may even be healthy. my herooo! Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Masturbation leaves you unfulfilled everytime. It's also a compulsive and addictive habit. In no way is masturbation, or even sex for that matter, a biological need. It's a biological want. I need food. I need water. I don't need to ejaculate. I want to ejaculate, but don't need to. We brainwash ourselves into thinking we need to, just like any addict of anything. Drug addicts think they need drugs, alcoholics think they need alcohol, Gambling addicts think they need to gamble. It's all the same they don't need to do anything, they've tricked themselves into believing they do. Most people think it's ok to masturbate, so I'm definitely in the miniority, but coming from a Christian perspective, I don't think it's honoring to God. So, no I don't think Christians should masturbate. But, Christian morals completely aside, I just don't think masturbation being a need is true.WrongActually,Herokid couldn't be more right. Very few christians actually understand this thought process and follow it, which makes him look weird, but he is right. If you think he is wrong, ask yourself this question- what does masturbation accomplish? Does it serve any purpose besides getting off? Is it anything more than a one man show for ones own personal pleasure? The answer, of course, is nothing,no, and no. Nobody benefits besides you. No couple ever became closer because one jerked off on the others tits. Nobody ever became a better person because he tossed one off in the shower real quick. Nothing is even possible except feeling biological and mental pleasure for about 3 to 4 seconds,maybe 6 on a good day, longer for women if you are doing it right. It's at best a selfish act,at worst a demoralizing substitute for something meant to be beautiful and pure. Don't take my word for it, though, whack away.NopeIt also goes a very long way to helping prevent prostate cancer.Correct. A while back I had a prostate issue. Prosthititus to be exact, cured in part by two prescription of Cipro. After my doctor took his fist finger from my ass, he asked my how many ejaculations I had per week and I told him around 2 or 3. He suggested strongly that I bump it up. I asked for a prescription for sex to give to my wife. He didn't give it. Bottom line, it does serve a medical function. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Call me wacky, but I'm of the opinion that the world would be a better place if some Catholic priests jerked off instead of molesting little boys. Link to post Share on other sites
jhnyblz 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Call me wacky, but I'm of the opinion that the world would be a better place if some Catholic priests jerked off instead of molesting little boys.Wacky. And I'm wacky right there with ya on this opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Nikki_N 17 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Do you think he watches you make out with chicks?Probably.Oh and for those Christians who are accusing people they don't know of not being Christians:If they have accepted Jesus as their Saviour and affirmed his divine status as the son of God, they are Christians.Wrap your head around this: I am a Christian. Link to post Share on other sites
Jadaki 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 So is beating down old ladies with sticks, so what is your point?So your ok with beating up old ladies but not masterbating? Link to post Share on other sites
Jadaki 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Can you prove it impossible, maybe it just something no person has been able to accomplish yet?I can beat off without lust, I've done it out of boredom. Link to post Share on other sites
fleung22 1 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Call me wacky, but I'm of the opinion that the world would be a better place if some Catholic priests jerked off instead of molesting little boys.So crude yet so effective. Link to post Share on other sites
jmkiser 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Probably.Oh and for those Christians who are accusing people they don't know of not being Christians:If they have accepted Jesus as their Saviour and affirmed his divine status as the son of God, they are Christians.Wrap your head around this: I am a Christian.ohz noezzz!!!you're asking for a christian on christian debate for what officially makes and keeps you as a christian!!!not another one!! ahhhhh can't you guys agree on something? Link to post Share on other sites
DerekTah 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Call me wacky, but I'm of the opinion that the world would be a better place if some Catholic priests jerked off instead of molesting little boys.Ok, you really believe that if they jerked off, that they would be like "good thing I did that, now I don't have to molest a child".Also what really make you think the priest would not be doing both.Ok, I know you were probably making more of a smartass comment, but come on. Why do people seem to think the priest's that molest little keep to all the commandments perfectly. Link to post Share on other sites
Nikki_N 17 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 ohz noezzz!!!you're asking for a christian on christian debate for what officially makes and keeps you as a christian!!!not another one!! ahhhhh can't you guys agree on something?I have no intention of having any such debate. I'm not worried about what other folks think about my salvation. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 The entire Religion forum is about masturbation. every.single.thread Link to post Share on other sites
renaedawn 1 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 The entire Religion forum is about masturbation. every.single.threadThis is so true. In a literal and figurative sense. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Your completely wrong.Actually masturbation is a phenomenal stress reliever and has beneficial side effects going well beyond the moment of ejaculation. So is beating down old ladies with sticks, so what is your point?So you ask a question, what does masterbation accomplish. Then you are answered the question. And your retort is something very very disturbing. I don't know what brand of xianity you follow, but If there's a branch that involves random violence against octarians then perhaps I'll have to give xianity another shot. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Ok, you really believe that if they jerked off, that they would be like "good thing I did that, now I don't have to molest a child".Also what really make you think the priest would not be doing both.Ok, I know you were probably making more of a smartass comment, but come on. Why do people seem to think the priest's that molest little keep to all the commandments perfectly.I didn't suggest that masturbating would necessarily stop them from molesting little boys. I suggested that they do one and not the other. Naturally they would need to make a conscious decision. Also, who brought up the commandments? Is "Thou shall jerk off and not molest the young" a commandment now? Wow, I haven't been to church in awhile. I think this would be better suited as a station of the cross. I can see it now...JC rubbin' one out while Mary Magdelan's dress clings tighly to her breasts. Link to post Share on other sites
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