ghostlove 0 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 so i was playing in my usual home game last night when a situation came up for me. The UTG player raised, and he was on a strealk and rasing with any two cards. A player from middle position then moved all in (he was the short stack and had about 1/3 of my stack. The player who raised UTG was the chip leader, and had about 5 times my stack. So anyways, UTg raises, middle position re rasies, and i look down on the button to AKos. Figuring that the UTG player would just call the middle position rerasie, i called the person's all in, just to have the UTG player re raise me all in. Poop. I figured that even if no one had a pocket pair, that the other two players had 4 live cards, and that i was only slightly more than a 35% favorite to win the hand. i thought about it for a good long time, and opted to fold. Well, the UTG player had 5-2 os and the middle re-raiser had 10-q. I would have spiked an A on the turn and won a very nice pot. Any thoughts??? (please be nice lol) Link to post Share on other sites
Kei 0 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 You should have isolated middle position by moving all-in yourself. If you're going to commit a third of your chips to the hand, might as well push. UTG knows he can put pressure on you, so him pushing after you call is to be expected. Basically, if he can get you off your hand, your 'dead' money in the pot adds incentive. If you push, he might reconsider risking 20% of his stack with 5-2o with no ability to get you off a better hand.EDIT:As played...If you have ~300 chips (for simple calculations), UTG has ~1500, and middle position has ~100, the pot is 500 when you are forced to decide on your AK (MP's 100, your call of 100, UTG's call of 100 + 200 more for your all-in). 200 to win 500, 5 to 2, or 2.5 to 1. You think you're about 35% to win, meaning you're getting priced in to call. I think you probably should've called here. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 You haven't given enough information to answer your question. Blinds, stack sizes, payout structure and the number of remaining players are all important factors in making this decision. Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 there is a strategy forum for these types of threads, good luck Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Stack sizes are a necessary to get a real answer. Without any more information, you probably should have reraised the first raiser and probably should have called off your chips at the end, but I have no idea what any of the best were and how they are in relation to your stack, the average stack, the blinds, etc. It could easily be a fold too with big stacks and certain payout structures. Link to post Share on other sites
ghostlove 0 Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 ok heres the info:blinds .10 / .20UTG has 65$middle raiser has a little over 5$i have 15$ (and it was my only money i did not bring anything else)It was a cash game, so the question about payouts is irrelavent.looking back, i really feel i should have called, since i did take the pot odds into consideration, but i also realized it was my only buy in. lol its easy to say i should have called tho since i saw that i would have won. Link to post Share on other sites
jcashx36x 0 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 ok heres the info:blinds .10 / .20UTG has 65$middle raiser has a little over 5$i have 15$ (and it was my only money i did not bring anything else)It was a cash game, so the question about payouts is irrelavent.looking back, i really feel i should have called, since i did take the pot odds into consideration, but i also realized it was my only buy in. lol its easy to say i should have called tho since i saw that i would have won.AK is only a drawing hand, call and see a flop. If you miss then you have squadush. If you hit, your pretty much good. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 easy call after the utg shoves.Shove first if UTG was opening light and MP was somewhat aware... Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 AK is only a drawing hand, call and see a flop. If you miss then you have squadush. If you hit, your pretty much good.that's bad advice, given our stack size to pot ratio. Link to post Share on other sites
PokerFan 0 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 You haven't given enough information to answer your question. Blinds, stack sizes, payout structure and the number of remaining players are all important factors in making this decision.No they are not....His play was to move all in or fold....a call here is the worst play...well not as bad as your post.. Link to post Share on other sites
lostless 0 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Easy Jam. Odds are both have pretty marginal holdings.UTG will most likely fold if he opens almost every pot. Middle position dude is short so he is moving in if he is playing.At worst we are a coin flip.Edit: As played we have to call the UTG shove because we are getting 2:1 w/ AK. Plus we need to beat UTG for 2/3 of the pot since he is loose.And against 4 live you are better then 35%For 15 dollars of the pot: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 41.738% 41.60% 00.13% 328491360 1050240.00 { AKo }Hand 1: 30.904% 30.77% 00.13% 242952912 1050240.00 { QTo }Hand 2: 27.358% 27.23% 00.13% 214959312 1050240.00 { 52s }For the side pot of $20: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 61.378% 61.11% 00.27% 50223072 223632.00 { AKo }Hand 1: 38.622% 38.35% 00.27% 31520256 223632.00 { 52s }Total Equity: 15*0.4 + 20*0.6 ~ $18 Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 No they are not....His play was to move all in or fold....a call here is the worst play...well not as bad as your post..I think you quoted the wrong post. GG though. Link to post Share on other sites
fatman 1 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 ok heres the info:blinds .10 / .20UTG has 65$middle raiser has a little over 5$i have 15$ (and it was my only money i did not bring anything else)It was a cash game, so the question about payouts is irrelavent.looking back, i really feel i should have called, since i did take the pot odds into consideration, but i also realized it was my only buy in. lol its easy to say i should have called tho since i saw that i would have won.Cash Game...I say push all in and gamble....quit being a *****. If you lose and are out of $ borrow some or go home. Don't play scared...*****.Kidding about the ***** part...still think you should gamble though. Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 ok heres the info:blinds .10 / .20UTG has 65$middle raiser has a little over 5$i have 15$ (and it was my only money i did not bring anything else)It was a cash game, so the question about payouts is irrelavent.looking back, i really feel i should have called, since i did take the pot odds into consideration, but i also realized it was my only buy in. lol its easy to say i should have called tho since i saw that i would have won.So you have about 6-7$ in the pot you call, he reraises all in so you are set to win about 35$ total? give or take?you're getting 3.5:1 on your money. Even if you are dominated by KK you have odds to call, if you are a coinflip you MUST call... so the only reason not to call is too think AA... .... call.EDIT: OOPSIE DAISY! I ****ed up on the math there. There was 25$ in the pot, so you are getting 2.5:1 on your money. So you just need to worry about KK and AA, a coinflip is a must call still. I say call. Link to post Share on other sites
jburn812 0 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Push all in and isolate. Link to post Share on other sites
Wandigo 1 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 brag post/hijack/im bored/etc....PokerStars Game #8062463785: Tournament #40452381, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/01/21 - 23:55:58 (ET)Table '40452381 160' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: CW Trips (28835 in chips) Seat 2: HeavyT22 (8746 in chips) Seat 3: PedroRizzo1 (7725 in chips) Seat 4: controversy (13687 in chips) Seat 5: Akee (15504 in chips) Seat 6: wandigo (27748 in chips) Seat 7: dlange111 (25138 in chips) Seat 9: Kevhah42 (35850 in chips) CW Trips: posts the ante 25HeavyT22: posts the ante 25PedroRizzo1: posts the ante 25controversy: posts the ante 25Akee: posts the ante 25wandigo: posts the ante 25dlange111: posts the ante 25Kevhah42: posts the ante 25dlange111: posts small blind 200Kevhah42: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to wandigo [Kd Ac]CW Trips: folds HeavyT22: folds PedroRizzo1: calls 400controversy: folds Akee: folds wandigo: raises 1200 to 1600dlange111: folds Youngcane is connected Kevhah42: calls 1200PedroRizzo1: raises 2000 to 3600wandigo: folds Kevhah42: folds PedroRizzo1 collected 5200 from potPedroRizzo1: shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings) Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 brag post/hijack/im bored/etc....PokerStars Game #8062463785: Tournament #40452381, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/01/21 - 23:55:58 (ET)Table '40452381 160' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: CW Trips (28835 in chips) Seat 2: HeavyT22 (8746 in chips) Seat 3: PedroRizzo1 (7725 in chips) Seat 4: controversy (13687 in chips) Seat 5: Akee (15504 in chips) Seat 6: wandigo (27748 in chips) Seat 7: dlange111 (25138 in chips) Seat 9: Kevhah42 (35850 in chips) CW Trips: posts the ante 25HeavyT22: posts the ante 25PedroRizzo1: posts the ante 25controversy: posts the ante 25Akee: posts the ante 25wandigo: posts the ante 25dlange111: posts the ante 25Kevhah42: posts the ante 25dlange111: posts small blind 200Kevhah42: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to wandigo [Kd Ac]CW Trips: folds HeavyT22: folds PedroRizzo1: calls 400controversy: folds Akee: folds wandigo: raises 1200 to 1600dlange111: folds Youngcane is connected Kevhah42: calls 1200PedroRizzo1: raises 2000 to 3600wandigo: folds Kevhah42: folds PedroRizzo1 collected 5200 from potPedroRizzo1: shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings) good fold you know an ace was coming though. This was at Pokerstars so that's a fact!convert your hands you lazy whore monger. Link to post Share on other sites
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