qyayqi 11 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 4.4 EXTERNAL PLAYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS (EPA). PokerStars prohibits External player assistance programs ("EPA Programs") which are designed to provide an "Unfair Advantage" to players. PokerStars defines External to mean computer software (other than the PokerStars game client provided by PokerStars), and non-software-based databases or profiles (e.g. web sites and subscription services). PokerStars defines an "Unfair Advantage" as a User accessing or compiling information on other players beyond that which the User has personally observed through the User's own game play. We encourage you to read our Prohibited Programs FAQ. 4.4.1 AUTOMATIC PLAYERS (BOTS). The use of artificial intelligence including, without limitation, "robots" is strictly forbidden in connection with the Software and the Games. All actions taken in relation to the Games by a User must be executed personally by players through the user interface accessible by use of the Software.You agree that PokerStars may take steps to detect and prevent the use of prohibited EPA Programs. These steps may include, but are not limited to, examination of software programs running concurrently with the PokerStars Software on the User's computer. Link to post Share on other sites
rayovac 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 But Im talking about complete information for cash players.And it would be web based, not software based. Link to post Share on other sites
pnambic 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 And it would be web based, not software based.read qyayqi's post again. The terms of service specifically mention web sites and other subscription services. And I wouldn't count on Stars not scanning your web history.But the real problem is something else: how would you go about obtaining that data? If you're planning to mine this on your own, it's both costly and in violation of this clause:4.2 PERSONAL USE. The Software is intended solely for your personal use. Commercial use of the Software is strictly forbidden. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Under no circumstances shall a User be permitted to use his/her "real money account" with PokerStars for any purpose other than for playing the Games. The User agrees that his/her use of the Games is in a personal (and not professional) capacity.And if you're not mining actively (e.g. by getting hand histories from members), how will you ensure data integrity and coverage?I agree that this - while unethical - would be great to have, but I don't believe that there is any reasonable way to actually build it. Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 there are already sites that datamine every table on party, stars, fulltilt and others. i saw an ad for one of the programs in a poker mag this summer. its a webbased service that has a program you download. it will find the fishiest table for you automatically based on criteria you set. its about 20$ a month for 200$ NL and below and 50 above. ill have to find it againpatrick Link to post Share on other sites
rayovac 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 In that case, find that info and PM it to me, pronto.Lol. Don't take that as me being a prick, but I'm thinking about playing some NL200 in about 30 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 In that case, find that info and PM it to me, pronto.working on it sir. Link to post Share on other sites
AcesUp46 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Like I said in my earlier post, I received a pop up warning message from PartyPoker after using PokerProphecy's web-based search. So clearly, they were scanning my computer and found that my web browser was set to PokerProphecy.So I'm guessing that other major website do this as well. Link to post Share on other sites
snomankw 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 The software in question is called Poker Sherlock. If used properly it's pretty cool stuff!!! I've made a few buck with this playing NL cash games!!Oh yes.....your welcome!! Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 The software in question is called Poker Sherlock. If used properly it's pretty cool stuff!!! I've made a few buck with this playing NL cash games!!Oh yes.....your welcome!! has anyone used this??This looks soo dirty, i think i need a shower Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 8 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 sure would be intresting to see some peoples numbers. it would be a hell of an idea if you get it up and going. its amazing to see how much some people have lost on sharkscope. how do you lose 5k playing $10 sit and go's...lol? Link to post Share on other sites
Marc-O 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 brantford>rama. AINEC. brantford is honestly the best run poker room i've ever been in anywhere, and i made sure i let the floor people know that on a regular basis. if they only got automatic shufflers....i think the biggest problem you might run into is that the sites would find out if it got too big, and they'd try to get you shut down. i don't know if that would happen, but it's at least possible.i'd be absolutely certain that if you advertised it well enough you could make lots and lots of mobney.We do have auto shufflers........2 tables have themalthough nothing but complaints.... the dealers nor the players have liked them... Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 We do have auto shufflers........2 tables have themalthough nothing but complaints.... the dealers nor the players have liked them...really? i moved out of hamilton a while ago now, but i haven't ever heard of anyone hating automatic shufflers once the dealers get used to them. of course there's growing pains involved, but the fact of the matter is that those things work faster than even the best dealers can (and yes, the brantford dealers are by and large very very good).do you work there? i used to go there quite often. i might have known you. Link to post Share on other sites
Northie 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I loved playing on the tables with auto-shufflers when I frequented brantford casino. Now they usually reserve it for higher limits, and I generally play 5-10. But since I apparently suck at limit, I usually now just spend an extra 20 minutes driving and get to Niagara instead. Link to post Share on other sites
rayovac 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 I loved playing on the tables with auto-shufflers when I frequented brantford casino. Now they usually reserve it for higher limits, and I generally play 5-10. But since I apparently suck at limit, I usually now just spend an extra 20 minutes driving and get to Niagara instead.You wouldn't be from boston, would ya? Or spent any time there? Link to post Share on other sites
Marc-O 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 really? i moved out of hamilton a while ago now, but i haven't ever heard of anyone hating automatic shufflers once the dealers get used to them. of course there's growing pains involved, but the fact of the matter is that those things work faster than even the best dealers can (and yes, the brantford dealers are by and large very very good).do you work there? i used to go there quite often. i might have known you.no, but I am playing there regularly 3-4 times a week...I live in Brantford... very convienient Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 one of my biggest edges is being able to size up a table faster and better than most players. In the long wrong i think this would blunt some edges i push and would be completely against it. Link to post Share on other sites
bigbadbeat 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 sure would be intresting to see some peoples numbers. it would be a hell of an idea if you get it up and going. its amazing to see how much some people have lost on sharkscope. how do you lose 5k playing $10 sit and go's...lol?PokerStars Game #7144311769: Tournament #36514140, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/11/23 - 16:09:46 (ET)Table '36514140 8' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: RussianRockt (1320 in chips) Seat 2: tgifitz (1580 in chips) Seat 3: xxUdyxx (1415 in chips) Seat 4: matt2421 (1845 in chips) Seat 6: sheshbeshon (1260 in chips) Seat 7: Powahh (1430 in chips) Seat 8: tekiller (1500 in chips) Seat 9: MrDinoVelvet (1480 in chips) matt2421: posts small blind 10sheshbeshon: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to tgifitz [Kd Kc]Powahh: folds tekiller: folds MrDinoVelvet: folds RussianRockt: calls 20tgifitz: raises 80 to 100xxUdyxx: folds matt2421: folds sheshbeshon: raises 200 to 300RussianRockt: calls 280tgifitz: raises 1280 to 1580 and is all-insheshbeshon: calls 960 and is all-inRussianRockt: calls 1020 and is all-in*** FLOP *** [Jc 7d 4s]*** TURN *** [Jc 7d 4s] [9d]*** RIVER *** [Jc 7d 4s 9d] [3h]*** SHOW DOWN ***RussianRockt: shows [6s 8s] (high card Jack)tgifitz: shows [Kd Kc] (a pair of Kings)tgifitz collected 120 from side potsheshbeshon: shows [Td 3d] (a pair of Threes)Powahh said, "lol"tgifitz collected 3790 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 3910 Main pot 3790. Side pot 120. | Rake 0 Board [Jc 7d 4s 9d 3h]Seat 1: RussianRockt showed [6s 8s] and lost with high card JackSeat 2: tgifitz showed [Kd Kc] and won (3910) with a pair of KingsSeat 3: xxUdyxx (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: matt2421 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: sheshbeshon (big blind) showed [Td 3d] and lost with a pair of ThreesSeat 7: Powahh folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: tekiller folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: MrDinoVelvet folded before Flop (didn't bet)Question answered Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I mean why give everyone the same advantage you have? Link to post Share on other sites
rayovac 0 Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 Yeah. PokerSherlock is amazing. Link to post Share on other sites
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