** The Official Los Angeles Lakers Thread **

[CindyLou 11]

you said it. stephen a smith, who sucks i know, said that New York is clearing enough space for LeBron and DWade and that they plan to sign there together. my god, that would be sick.

The current rumor is that Lebron, Wade, and Bosh made a pact at the Olympics that they would all sign with New York.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

The current rumor is that Lebron, Wade, and Bosh made a pact at the Olympics that they would all sign with New York.

I heard that. And even though it would doom the Lakers and every other team, I do love a good dynasty. And that would be one hell of a team.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

I heard that. And even though it would doom the Lakers and every other team, I do love a good dynasty. And that would be one hell of a team.

plus if the Kobe lead lakers could beat that super team in a finals, you'd never stop crowing. It would be a complete freeroll. If you lose, oh well, you lost to the most talented team of all time, if you win, Kobe is a Giant slayer, and can finally assend into Bird-Magic-Jordan status.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

plus if the Kobe lead lakers could beat that super team in a finals, you'd never stop crowing. It would be a complete freeroll. If you lose, oh well, you lost to the most talented team of all time, if you win, Kobe is a Giant slayer, and can finally assend into Bird-Magic-Jordan status.

Only three years away.

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

Trevor Ariza might be the best defensive player I've ever seen. You better not dribble the ball anywhere near him, because you're not getting it back. Phil was right, he's a ghost.Edit: That was stupid. Don't deserve to win when you play a 4th quarter like that though. That closeout on Granger by Ariza on the second to last possession was a thing of beauty however.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

ESPN must have made a mistake, because I just checked the score and it was 118-117 final with the pacers winning. And that just cant be right.

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

ESPN must have made a mistake, because I just checked the score and it was 118-117 final with the pacers winning. And that just cant be right.

Did you see what happened? Ridiculous. I can't remember the last time they lost a game like that though, so maybe it's just variance.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

Did you see what happened? Ridiculous. I can't remember the last time they lost a game like that though, so maybe it's just variance.

No I didnt see it. What happened?

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

No I didnt see it. What happened?

Lakers played great defense on last possession up 1 with 12 secs left, broken play and lost Daniels who lost the ball and Troy Murphy made a desperation tip that hit the rim 6 or 7 times before going in as time expired.They had about a 13 point lead in the 4th until Farmar changed his name to Smush, and let them back in it, then the Pacers hit a bunch of 3's in a row to set up the last sequence. Just one of those games where nothing went right when they needed it.

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

Kobe was wowing them tonight. Philly was booing him early, by the end of the game they were all cheering him. Jimmy Rollins was shaking his head in disbelief a couple times.

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

Hunger defines me. I've always been hungry, but now my appetite has risen to a new level. My will is greater than ever. The motivation to succeed runs through me like blood. In this 10th year, my 10th season as an NBA player, the mountain I once climbed to reach the top looms in front of me again. I realize how hard it will be to climb it, how much I will have to sacrifice and overcome to get to the top again, how many people have told me I can't do it. But I savor that challenge. Feed off of it. That challenge helps give me purpose and inspiration. It helps me define life. At the beginning of this season there was a question floating around in my mind. What is my purpose? On one level I understood the reasons for why I do what I do, but on another level I felt an even greater commitment tugging at my soul. I'm a ballplayer, a teammate. A leader. But is that it? When I look back at my rookie season, I realize that all of the faces that once surrounded me are gone. I was a kid back then, eager to please, eager to find my place in a world that seemed familiar but different. The game was my refuge. I'd been going to it ever since I was six years old, in Italy, playing alone on courts thousands of miles away from kids who shared my same love. In a way, my dedication to basketball defined me. But that definition has grown. The struggles I've encountered over the last few years have made me realize just how much more there is for me to accomplish. I've begun a new phase of my life; I've opened new doors. And with new doors comes a whole new world of challenges. In my life I have won and accomplished much. I own three NBA championship rings. I've had plenty of endorsement deals and made a lot of money from them. But still, I feel as if I have yet to fulfill the blessing that God has given me in my ability to play this game. I feel as if there is so much more to do, on the court and off it. I don't know if this is how I am supposed to feel. Did MJ, Magic and the others feel the same way? In our society it seems like athletes are expected to care about winning the game, pleasing the crowd, and signing deals. Period. But am I supposed to obsess myself with winning only to win, retire and wonder if all my sacrifices were worth it? Is it OK for me to sacrifice time away from my children, time watching them grow up, missing Easter, Christmas and other special moments, to win a ring? What I have come to learn is that my desire to win, the will to pursue my goals with the highest level of intensity and passion, defines me. But I have been careful to keep my motivation pure. The distractions that come with winning, the idea of playing for the money or playing for the fame and prestige — I've watched all of these things consume other players. My thirst for domination is fed only by the game. I refuse to get distracted by outside forces. This is a new book in my career. Volume 1 has already been written. Everything that I accomplished before is behind me: not forgotten, but placed on the shelf. My past success only serves as a measuring stick for my peers. A whole new crop of players has emerged since I came into the League. All of them want the honor of holding the title of "best all-around player". But I feel as if that quest is behind me now and a new one has taken its place. I am an underdog. A challenge was issued to me by everyone who said I would never succeed again, that I would never win another ring or enjoy another parade. I accepted their challenge. I accepted the doubt of every one who spoke of my downfall and used their words as fuel. I have a franchise to resurrect, a city of fans to uplift. That mountain, the one that I climbed once and now face again, is huge. I'm looking up at it again. And because I know how hard it was to climb, I sometimes feel drained because I know how difficult it will be to conquer. It's much harder to go from top to bottom to the top again than it is to simply go from the bottom to the top. But desire is the ultimate fuel. Hunger changes any situation. My past experience gives me knowledge that backs up my will. I know what must be done. My team is sometimes unsure because my teammates have never climbed this mountain before. At times it's frustrating and it tries my patience, but in the beginning years of my career my teammates were patient with me and trusted in the fact that I would figure everything out, so now I must return that favor to this generation of Lakers. This is our challenge, our mountain, and these are my brothers. I must guide them to the point we all want to get to. No matter what.I have been learning about the ambition inside me since I was a kid. It was there during the hours I would spend on a playground in Italy and a group of my friends would come to me and tell me I would never be an NBA player. It was there during all the time I would practice alone, imitating the moves I'd seen on television and creating new ones to go with them. It was there when nothing else was there, and I learned to incorporate it with the game, to wrap myself in the game and seek my future within it. Whenever someone would say what my Italian friends had said, whenever anyone told me what I couldn't do, I would grab hold of that feeling inside me and realize that it was there for a reason. I have always had a purpose, a need to succeed. People who try to discourage me only add fuel to a fire that has always burned. Every phase of my life has brought me new risks and new rewards; in many ways I have always been the underdog. And through it all, through every struggle, the game has always been there. It has never left me alone. I love the game. I really do. As a kid, when things were bad for me at school or at home, I would go to the park and envision the dream. You've probably had that same one: I'd be playing for the Lakers, winning championships and hitting the game winning shots. I'd listen to the crowd roar when I put the dagger in the other team's heart, and on the road I'd hear the silence of other teams' arenas. I've actually done these things in my career. But I had done them before, because in my mind and in my heart it felt so real to me. So when I was there I had been there before. What thrills me most about the game is the purity of it and the chance to master it. The process, the work, the beauty of it has always inspired me. I remember when I was 15 years old and wanted to be famous and be on TV. That desire didn't motivate me to play or overshadow the essence of the game, but like any kid I thought being a celebrity would be cool. As I've gotten older and actually become famous I realize that it's not what I thought it would be. But this is a good thing. Because it means that, in my heart, I never played the game for "spotlight" reasons. I played because I loved it. I played because it meant more to me than even I knew. When I needed someone to lean on, a place to vent, a place to celebrate or a place to cry, the game became all of these things for me. And because the game has given me so much I know that I must give it the respect it deserves. I must work hard to master it, to show it my appreciation for all it has done for me as a person, as a man. That's the reason I'm able to play under severe pressure or stress. The game has actually helped me cope with it. It has helped me win. Not in terms of the points scored, but in terms of the struggles that I have overcome. More and more I feel like this is the reason I train so hard, why I push myself past every limit. The more obstacles that are placed between me and my goals, the hungrier I become. Desire is a double-edged sword. It gives you strength; it gives you motivation and focus. But occasionally, because your ambition is so great, you wonder what will happen if your goals are not fulfilled. My biggest fear is not winning another title. But fear is a great motivator. I'm determined to lead this organization back to the top. The people who once celebrated me are the same people who doubt me now. They say that because I don't have Shaq that I can't win, that it's over. The only thing I truly worry about is that my drive and my will are sometimes too much for my teammates to handle. Do I expect too much from them? How can I elevate them to play with my same passion every night?What helps me understand and deal with this is the fact that I was once in their shoes. I once played a supporting role on this team. Back then I knew how much pressure Shaquille had on him to win a ring and I also knew I could help. So I studied the game offensively and especially defensively because I knew that if I could harass on the perimeter with him clogging the lane, it would demoralize our opponents more than anything we could do offensively. I also knew that the teams he played on in the past did not have a closer. No one could take the game over down the stretch or hit the game winner or make the key free throws. Those were Shaq's weaknesses, so I had to step up and make them my strengths. I knew how much more I could bring to the battle, but that wasn't my role. I was a scorer who became a facilitator in order to win. But now I worry because I know how hard that was for me to learn, how many sleepless nights I had and how much criticism and trade rumors I had to endure before I mastered my role. This is probably what my current teammates are going through. All I can do is pray that one day we will reach the same level of chemistry and understanding that existed between me, Shaq, Rick Fox, Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and all the other players I once went to war with. The fears I have are soothed a little by the presence of Phil Jackson. Simply put, he is the best coach I have ever played for. Everything I have learned about the game can be traced to him and Tex Winter. They teach the game at such a deeper level than X's and O's. The game is a rhythm, a dance. Phil and Tex have taught me to feel the game. To think the game without thinking, to see without seeing. They taught me how to prepare. How to conceptualize the spirit of my opponents and attack them where they are weak. I've seen how prepared PJ gets before games, and as the on-court leader he is trusting me to do the same. So I do all the things he has taught me to do before tip-off and once the ball is in the air my mind is at ease and my body is ready to play. I take it to the other team on both ends of the floor. I take pride in being able to do that. I HATE being scored on, even by players who some say are "un-guardable". I don't believe it when they say "Oh, that player is just hot today." F--- that! Cool his [swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] off then. When we play on the road and the entire crowd is booing me it doesn't bother me at all. What I think about is simple: "When these fans leave this game I want them to remember how hard I fought and the passion and drive with which I played." I have always played this game with passion. And I always worked hard. When I saw the movie Rudy I remember thinking, "What if I worked that hard?" God has blessed me both physically and intellectually to play this game, so what would happen if I push as hard as the character in this film? I would love for people to think of me as a talented overachiever. Even though those fans may chant "Kobe sucks", when they leave that arena I want them to walk out with a different feeling than they came in with. When they leave they'll leave with the understanding that they have just witnessed a player give himself completely to his passion; they have just watched an athlete pour every ounce of his heart and soul out on that floor. And hopefully, when the next volume of my life is all said and done, they will respect and appreciate the years that I spent giving all of me to the game that means everything to me. Recently I have come to visualize my place as a black athlete within our society. I've always been aware of our history, from Jackie Robinson to Sweetwater Clifton. But I never felt like I deserved to be a part of our tradition because I grew up overseas, in Italy. In that way I am very much different than many of my peers. I never truly believed that my own people wanted to identify with me. But that's the thing about adversity: while you're going through it, you look around yourself and see exactly who it is that's rallying behind you. During my time of struggle I saw the truth. My people held me down. Their love and support became an experience for me and that experience will be with me for the rest of my life. It gave me a completely different understanding of my role. I had been wrong about my impact. Now I see that I can be a force in the lives of our youth. They look up to me for guidance and support. They have shown me that even though I grew up in Italy, I am a part of black America. The color of my skin ain't paint! It is, in fact, more than a color: it's the signifier of my culture. When I went to visit the victims of Hurricane Katrina and saw how their faces lit up when they saw me, how they embraced me, and how my presence lifted their spirits; I realized how wrong I'd been about everything. I've wasted all these years wanting to do things for our people but thinking I wasn't the one to do them, that I wouldn't be welcomed. But now I see that isn't true. The experience of Katrina and my own personal struggles brought me closer to our people. And through that closeness my motivation has become stronger and my purpose has become even clearer. Being called a role model has become code for being "able to sell product." But the true essence of a role model lies in influencing our youth to be better, not perfect, not to buy sodas or fast food or whatever; but to be better, no matter the odds or the circumstances. As an athlete I am someone who is in a perfect position to inspire our youth. They look at us as heroes not just because we win, but also because we fail. They witness us overcome obstacles right in front of their eyes. There's no editing, no CGI; everything about it is real. They watch us fall, get back up, fall, get back up, and fall again. In the course of a 48-minute game or an 82-game season they see us climb an entire mountain. It's my duty to help them understand that falling is a part of life and getting up is a way of life. The will to overcome is crucial. And because basketball is a metaphor of life this is a lesson I can give them as I struggle to accomplish my goals. As I help to rebuild my team on the court, I can do the same off of it, helping to rebuild and restore the lives of the people I see in trouble by inspiring them to do what the "experts" say can't be done. I have been an outcast my entire life. From being the only black kid in my town in Italy all the way to when I was 17 and playing in the NBA. What separated me from others, even more consistently than skin color or age, was my hunger. My mission. I've always been made to feel like there was something wrong with wanting to win so badly and wanting to become the best at what you do. But I have found a place to fit in amongst people with a similar vision, specifically my family at Nike. My association with them means much more to me than just an endorsement deal. At Nike I am surrounded by people and athletes who share my will and my commitment to be number one at all costs. Last summer I had the honor of being invited to the Nike campus in Beaverton, Oregon for a ceremony honoring the company's co-founder, Phil Knight. We athletes had to wait in the green room before the show began. I found myself sitting amongst athletes that I had never met before but whom I felt right at home with. Let me explain: There are certain kinds of people that are purely driven. I can tell who they are simply by looking at them. I have faced so much criticism for my drive that at times it has alienated me from the majority: the people who are comfortable with second place, the people who hate against me because I am not. You know these kinds of people; they are the ones who fear winning, the jealous ones who envy and try to sabotage. They are the people who have been telling me I couldn't win all my life. Many times my drive to succeed has put me on an island all by myself because no one understood me, or they chose to misunderstand me. They chose to portray me as being something that I was not. So on that day, sitting in the Nike green room with those other athletes, I saw the purity of drive in their eyes and it reassured me that it was OK to be different than others. It's OK to want to be the best. It's OK to feel like a loser if you don't win it all, and it's OK to bounce back with a stronger will, a deeper sense of determination, and a desire to destroy your opposition. I have learned that it is OK for me to be me, and what being me entails. It means that I will not rest; I will not sleep, relax, relent or be satisfied until my goals have been met, the challenge answered and all my doubters silenced. I will not give in to my foes; I won't let down my teammates. I won't stop inspiring those who look up to me or stop giving motivation to those who motivate me. I will not back off until I'm back on top, back in the place where they said I could never be again. Mountains don't scare me. The LACK of mountains scares me. The climb up, the struggle for every inch of ground and every level of ascension is what feeds me. I welcome that challenge. I welcome that chance to be fed because no matter what — no matter how hard, how far, or how many stand in my way, I remain determined.

[Jadaki 0]

Interesting read, how old is it?

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

Interesting read, how old is it?

2006

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

Oh my god Kobe is so sick. Oh I don't know, how bout a pass off the glass to myself to create the double team and kick it out to Pau for the J.

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

From the LA Times after last night's win at Washington:Lakers Coach Phil Jackson did not like what he saw, so he picked up a marker and started writing on the white board in the locker room.When he was done, Dallas, New Orleans, Phoenix, Indiana, Philadelphia and Washington were arranged in a neat vertical line, representing the teams that had come back from double-digit deficits in the second half against the Lakers.Derek Fisher, a veteran of five NBA Finals and 13 seasons, took it a step further.He approached the board and wrote "Boston Finals," followed by the number 24, a reference to the 24-point lead the Lakers blew in a Game 4 loss to the Celtics in last season's championship round.

[Jadaki 0]

They don't look very good on the road at all. They are winning, but not by much and often by the opponent doing something stupid down the stretch.

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

They don't look very good on the road at all. They are winning, but not by much and often by the opponent doing something stupid down the stretch.

Actually they've built big leads and just lost focus and made the games look close. Last night they had about a 15 point lead from the first 5 mins to the last 4 mins. I'm not worried about it, they just have to handle success better.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

They don't look very good on the road at all. They are winning, but not by much and often by the opponent doing something stupid down the stretch.

Actually they've built big leads and just lost focus and made the games look close. Last night they had about a 15 point lead from the first 5 mins to the last 4 mins. I'm not worried about it, they just have to handle success better.

Exactly.

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

Today's OC Register:The Lakers went up against a team in green for the first time since the NBA Finals.Then again, the Milwaukee Bucks weren't the only team on the Lakers' minds Sunday night. One other team is always there.There are four doors to the Lakers locker room at Staples Center: the main entrance, the bathroom, the training room for medical treatment and the players' lounge. The first two doors weren't getting a lot of use an hour before the Bucks-Lakers game. There was not a single Lakers player in the main locker room to watch the TV that was rolling scouting footage of Milwaukee's recent game against Chicago.There were guys in the players' lounge, which is where Trevor Ariza literally ran from and back when he had to fetch something from his locker. Ariza didn't want to miss a moment of what was playing on TV in the lounge, where Kobe Bryant also was — the same thing that was playing on both training-room TVs.In the training room, Derek Fisher, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom were among the Lakers in must-see-TV mode. And when on those TVs referee Jim Clark made a questionable ruling that benefited the Boston Celtics, the groans and profanities spewed from the Lakers' mouths.The Celtics were playing in Indiana, where the Lakers just lost Tuesday night, and they rallied to force overtime on Paul Pierce's 3-pointer. When regulation ended in that game, Sasha Vujacic walked out of the training room and into the main locker room, visibly upset and shaking his head.This is the Vujacic who refuses to wear green since the Lakers lost to the Celtics — and chides anyone whom he sees wearing green, even now that we're in the holiday season."There's red, yes?" Vujacic will say.That the Lakers handled Milwaukee with ease — because of their new swarming defense inspired by Boston — is some validation that they can afford to look ahead. Christmas is coming soon, and that's a date circled for vengeance against Boston by no less than Lakers owner Jerry Buss.The Lakers' recently completed trip into the nippy air of Indiana, Philadelphia and Washington brought more reminders of the Celtics. It was the Lakers' only trip to the Northeast until February, so reporters from that part of the country wanted to ask the Lakers big-picture questions.The Lakers answered with New England clam chowder dripping off their faces."Quite honestly," Fisher said, "if we're the best we can be, we'll beat 'em."Fisher — accurately — pointed out the contrast in psychological motivations for the Celtics and Lakers last June. He said the Celtics viewed it as a "last chance" compared to the Lakers' "first chance.""That difference is why you saw more hunger (from them) in certain parts of the Finals," Fisher said.Bryant suggested the Lakers can look in weight-room mirrors this season and still see the Celtics."They were stronger than we were: rebounds, fighting for rebounding position, getting second-chance opportunities," Bryant said. "They were moving guys around, just naturally stronger. …That's one of the things that stayed with us after The Finals."

[Jadaki 0]

Vujacic seems like a baby, that article just reinforces it.

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

Vujacic seems like a baby, that article just reinforces it.

He just wears his emotion on his sleeve. Sasha is awesome, take my word for it.

[YonYonson 156]

Vujacic seems like a baby, that article just reinforces it.

fuck you, hater.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

They don't look very good on the road at all. They are winning, but not by much and often by the opponent doing something stupid down the stretch.

lol

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

I was in class today, and someone a few seats over asked his friend if he know's who Magic Johnson is (They're both sports management majors and I see them at the gym on occasion playing basketball). His friend took like 3 seconds to answer, "uhh yeah, he's HIV positive, right?" This made me so beyond furious I didn't know what to do. Next time I see them at the gym, I'm going for either a split lip or a broken nose.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

I was in class today, and someone a few seats over asked his friend if he know's who Magic Johnson is (They're both sports management majors and I see them at the gym on occasion playing basketball). His friend took like 3 seconds to answer, "uhh yeah, he's HIV positive, right?" This made me so beyond furious I didn't know what to do. Next time I see them at the gym, I'm going for either a split lip or a broken nose.

People are stupid. Really really stupid. And I hate them.