Shate 0 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 From a home game last weekend. Would love some comments on this hand, since I dont know if I made the right decision in the end.Ohh, and please comment on anything else you find suspecius.Hero: ~1650 (danish kroners.. so actually playing for alot less, than it would be in dollars..)Vilain: ~1800Button: ~700BB: ~550Villain is a new guy at our little home game, and was playing very few hands the first hour or so, but have ben playing more and more hands since then.Pretty tight preflop, but seems to like suited connectors and pocket pairs abit to much.Hero is dealt Ac 6c in CO+1 - Blinds are 2/42 folds, Hero raises to 15, Villain calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.Flop: 8c 9c Tc. (Pot: 62)BB checks, Hero raises to 50, Villain raises to 150, button folds, BB folds, Hero calls.Turn: Qs (Pot: 362)Hero raises 300, Villain calls.River: 7c (pot: 922 )Hero raises 400, Villain goes all-in for ~1300, Hero...?I flop the nut flush, yay for me. On the river I improve to a straight flush, again yay for me.My question is now, do he really have my straight-flush beaten? I believe he could have done this move with the nut flush, but since I have the ace thats not the case.At first I thought he might have kings with the Kc.. But havent I shown enough strength for him to fold 2.nut flush?First post, So be nice to me Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 From a home game last weekend. Would love some comments on this hand, since I dont know if I made the right decision in the end.Ohh, and please comment on anything else you find suspecius.Hero: ~1650 (danish kroners.. so actually playing for alot less, than it would be in dollars..)Vilain: ~1800Button: ~700BB: ~550Villain is a new guy at our little home game, and was playing very few hands the first hour or so, but have ben playing more and more hands since then.Pretty tight preflop, but seems to like suited connectors and pocket pairs abit to much.Hero is dealt Ac 6c in CO+1 - Blinds are 2/42 folds, Hero raises to 15, Villain calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.Flop: 8c 9c Tc. (Pot: 62)BB checks, Hero raises to 50, Villain raises to 150, button folds, BB folds, Hero calls.Turn: Qs (Pot: 362)Hero raises 300, Villain calls.River: 7c (pot: 922 )Hero raises 400, Villain goes all-in for ~1300, Hero...?I flop the nut flush, yay for me. On the river I improve to a straight flush, again yay for me.My question is now, do he really have my straight-flush beaten? I believe he could have done this move with the nut flush, but since I have the ace thats not the case.At first I thought he might have kings with the Kc.. But havent I shown enough strength for him to fold 2.nut flush?First post, So be nice to me I'd expect a flat call from a king here. I think you're toast. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 You're getting about 3:1. Does he have the Jc >75% of the time? Narrowing it down, he's either on a total bluff or he has the Jc. If he is a smart player, he should realise that the river has just brought the scariest card in the deck. He knows you can only call that bet with one of 3 cards in the deck, and you may fold the Ac.Basically, if you think he can make a bluff of this size, you call. If you don't think he would bluff you fold.I think I would have to call for those odds. Link to post Share on other sites
beginner_ 0 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 don't listen to me, i'm a noob, but i couldn't possibly fold that hand.only thing that beats you is Jc. how big are the chances he has him?very little. on the other hand, i think he as QcJc. With only the jack (and Kc) he can't call that turn bet, because he will put you on AcXc. I agree, if you think he bluffs, call. else fold. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 You're getting about 3:1. Does he have the Jc >75% of the time? Narrowing it down, he's either on a total bluff or he has the Jc. If he is a smart player, he should realise that the river has just brought the scariest card in the deck. He knows you can only call that bet with one of 3 cards in the deck, and you may fold the Ac.Basically, if you think he can make a bluff of this size, you call. If you don't think he would bluff you fold.I think I would have to call for those odds.Good point.sigh. Yeah, pay it off. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Never in my life will I fold a straight flush... but ISAP, also if you call you get to talk about the cooler for the next month Link to post Share on other sites
Shate 0 Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 Never in my life will I fold a straight flush... but ISAP, also if you call you get to talk about the cooler for the next month I couldnt fold it either :)I called, and he turned over the QJc for the flopped Straight-Flush...Thanks for your replies all. Ill get him next month Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 that's pretty rough, but luckily it'll probably never happen to you again!for future reference, the first bet in a round is simply called a "bet," while all future ones are "raises".so it'd look more like this:flop 8c, 9c, TcI bet, he calledturnI bet, he calledriverI bet, he raised, i called.sorry, just a pet peeve of mine.good luck Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 To the OP...do you bluff a lot? I'm trying to understand the villain's reasoning for not pushing the action on the turn after you've clearly stated that you like your hand. He allowed the scariest card in the deck to come before he got it all in. He was lucky you had the straight flush. Link to post Share on other sites
Shate 0 Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 To the OP...do you bluff a lot? I'm trying to understand the villain's reasoning for not pushing the action on the turn after you've clearly stated that you like your hand. He allowed the scariest card in the deck to come before he got it all in. He was lucky you had the straight flush.I asked him the same thing afterwards. Especially since he just flat called the turn, instead of raising me again. He said he wanted me to catch up incase I just had the Ac and was on a draw. Link to post Share on other sites
beginner_ 0 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 I couldnt fold it either :)I called, and he turned over the QJc for the flopped Straight-Flush...as i suspected. Anything else would not have made much sense unless it's a crazy guy. Link to post Share on other sites
PlzFoldNow 0 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 on the other hand, i think he as QcJc. With only the jack (and Kc) he can't call that turn bet, because he will put you on AcXc. I agree, if you think he bluffs, call. else fold.Wow, how often do you fold the best hand? You gotta be kidding me. I'd say the most likely hand is K J . If he really flopped the stone cold nuts, why would he be check-raising the flop? You are telling me, you'd fold the King-high flush just because he made a big bet. There are about a billion more hands that you have beat. I guarantee he makes the same play with just AA with the A or even the flopped the straight. Link to post Share on other sites
EurekaKid 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 That has to be the ultimate cooler. To me at the river, I know I'm beat but I'm calling anyway for the story. How much is 1650 danish kroners in USD anyways? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 That has to be the ultimate cooler. To me at the river, I know I'm beat but I'm calling anyway for the story. How much is 1650 danish kroners in USD anyways?1,650.00 DKK = 278.376 USD Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Umm.....am i the only one that noticed that Villain raised the flop with the stone cold nuts??I mean, i've heard of stupid before, but this takes the cake.he is lucky you held what you did.any over pairs, anyholding the A of clubs, any straights, any 2 pair, and sometimes any sets, get scared here. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I think OP should've busted himself on the flop. We get a call from some hands and even if villain doesn't have the straightflush, the board offers the chance. Link to post Share on other sites
DrZebra 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Hero is dealt Ac 6c in CO+1 the button Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 the buttonpretty sure he meant -1, notice how villain acts after him, and button acts after villain, making villain CO. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Umm.....am i the only one that noticed that Villain raised the flop with the stone cold nuts??Villain called on the flop. He was saying that the Hero "raised" isntead of "bet"He just called after flopping the nuts, no worries. Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Villain called on the flop. He was saying that the Hero "raised" isntead of "bet"He just called after flopping the nuts, no worries.Flop: 8c 9c Tc. (Pot: 62)BB checks, Hero raises to 50, Villain raises to 150, button folds, BB folds, Hero calls.The Villain raised Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Flop: 8c 9c Tc. (Pot: 62)BB checks, Hero raises to 50, Villain raises to 150, button folds, BB folds, Hero calls.The Villain raisedspank youuuuuu Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 spank youuuuuu*humbly begs for forgivness* Link to post Share on other sites
beginner_ 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Wow, how often do you fold the best hand? You gotta be kidding me. I'd say the most likely hand is K J . If he really flopped the stone cold nuts, why would he be check-raising the flop? You are telling me, you'd fold the King-high flush just because he made a big bet. There are about a billion more hands that you have beat. I guarantee he makes the same play with just AA with the A or even the flopped the straight.well quote entire post above form me. i said i'm noob, so i don't blame me. ;)In a live game i have no idea, what i would have done. probably would have called and ignored the read.it just seemed to me, that he had a very good hand the way he was playing it.Let me explain my thoughts:he didnt checkraise the flop, he raised directly. Why not? if hero folds there, he probably doenst have a good hand/draw at all and vilian would not have made much more money by just calling.But the odd thing is the turn call. Would you only call with KJc? You get no info. If vilian raises, a draw with Ac would fold, a straight probably too.A call just means to me: "i need no info because i have the nuts" Link to post Share on other sites
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