Money022 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I have to toot my own horn here. I just played a hand to perfection for a $68 pot in a $25 NL game. Granted my opponent did slip up on the turn, but I think I played it pretty well considering. This is on Pacific so I don't have a hand history. I typed it out along with my commentary. *** $25 NL on Pacific ***I have A Q UTG+1. Raise it to $1.25 and get 2 callers, one is the BB.Flop is 4 J 5 . I have the nut flush draw and two overs.I bet $2.75 into a $3.72 pot. Next guy folds and the BB reraises to $6. I call. Here I'm thinking he has flopped a set since two pair doesn't add up. I figure my draw will likely stack him so I want to play it out, or at least see the turn.Turn is T and he checks. I check as well. Free card, why not! I also picked up the nut straight draw too, so I've got 3 more outs.River is K . I now have the nut straight and the pot is at $15.12. What's nice about this is I can bet my hand weak or put in a big reraise to make it look like I'm stabbing or bluffing with a busted flush draw. Which really I do have a busted flush draw! BB checks again. I decide to make a weak bet and figure I'll get reraised. I bet $4 into the pot of $15.12. Sure enough, he reraises to $11. I push back all-in and make it $28 to go. He thinks for a second and calls. Flips over 4 5 . He flopped 2 pair and gave it away on the turn.He definitely made a mistake, but I feel I played this hand to perfection with the way it went down. Am I patting myself on the back? Yes. But what do you guys think, played well? Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Well, I hate your reasoning for the river bet. If you thought he had a hand, you might as well bet a decent amount since only a weak player is check-raising here with bottom two pair, but most will call a good bet with it. I might make a smallish bet here, but only because he played it like he also had a flush draw and I would want to induce a reraise bluff. But I'd have to be pretty certain he was weak. Outside of that reasoning, though, I think a small bet on the river is letting your opponent off cheap.I think what I'm saying here is if you were playing most of the people on this particular forum, if you somehow got to this river, we would check it to you with the intention of calling a bet...be it four dollars or 15 dollars. No thinking player is check-raising this river with bottom two since they can beat almost nothing.Your opponent played this hand miserably, though. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 ya, you are lucky he played the river so bad. You played this hand ok, not like is any sophisticated plays involved, pretty straight forward except for the river, which as i said, was lucky he played it bad Link to post Share on other sites
tallytownFSU 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 His river play was donkalicious, which seems to be the consensus here.Several of us could get away when a guy re-raises that board and we hold bottom two.Im going to continue going off on the OP in a minute, but hang on. What hands can the villian beat here. A naked AK?, a busted qx? Cmon villian. But thats for another topic.back to the OP, I think you played the hand horrid on the turn and river.On the turn you need to bet the hand there in order to get maximum value. At lower limits, players don't think others bet draws as much, at least from what I've found. So I'd say put in a bet of $3-$6 there, and when you hit on the river, then he won't think as much about the straight because "you bet the turn". Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 On the turn you need to bet the hand there in order to get maximum value. At lower limits, players don't think others bet draws as much, at least from what I've found. So I'd say put in a bet of $3-$6 there, and when you hit on the river, then he won't think as much about the straight because "you bet the turn".Plus, you can go for the extremely rare "Get Check-Raised Three Straight Streets" award. :)Oh, and go Noles! Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 On the turn you need to bet the hand there in order to get maximum value. At lower limits, players don't think others bet draws as much, at least from what I've found. So I'd say put in a bet of $3-$6 there, and when you hit on the river, then he won't think as much about the straight because "you bet the turn".Don't like it. What happens if he comes over the top???? Link to post Share on other sites
Money022 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 The reason I didn't bet the draw on the turn is I honestly didn't feel I needed to build the pot here to maximize value because of the way this guy had been playing. I figured I could get it from him on the river. Trust me, I bet draws more than enough, I just didn't feel that it would be necessary in this hand against this player to maximize my value. Not only that, but I prefer not to get check-raised again on the turn.The weak river bet was to induce a reraise. You have to keep in mind that I played this hand like any donkey at these limits plays a busted flush draw. I figured the weak bet on the river would induce the reraise, which it did. And if he reraises, he's somewhat committing himself to the pot and will probably make the call. The only thing that taints this is he did so with bottom two pair. I didn't realize his hand was that crappy. I put him on a set on the flop since two pair didn't fit the range of hands for a guy calling a pf raise oop. I think what I'm saying here is if you were playing most of the people on this particular forum, if you somehow got to this river, we would check it to you with the intention of calling a bet...be it four dollars or 15 dollars. No thinking player is check-raising this river with bottom two since they can beat almost nothing.But I wasn't playing a skilled player from this forum. So I adapted as such. I was playing the player here. I knew he wasn't that good and would likely reraise me with whatever he connected with on the flop since the flush didn't complete. I'm sure the flush was his only concern. Had the flush completed, then I would have bet more than $4 as I knew I wouldn't be getting reraised. I would have bet it closer to $8-$10.I can tell some of you don't like the $4 bet on the river, but I went with what I felt he could reraise based on the his style and how the hand was played out. It might not have been a sophisticated move, but sometimes you have to dumb it down to your opponent's level. It worked, he doubled me up. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 he must have been really bad, because any decent player knows if your opponent has a busted flush draw and you raise him on the river, there is 0% chance of being called. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Don't like it. What happens if he comes over the top????C/r raising a turn when he led on the flop? That would be excessively out of the ordinary.I think we bet this turn for at least 2/3 of the pot. Punches him in the face if he raised us on a draw or just tried to push off something. If we do happen to get c/r (again, who the fck does this, ever, i mean, even donks at .25/.50 sh don't do this) we probably find ourselves a fold unless he minraises us. We know we have at best 12 outs on the river...and if he prices us out then we oblige.Not to be results-oriented but a lot more critique on the turn play would be coming if the river bricks and the guy shows AJ. Link to post Share on other sites
Money022 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 he must have been really bad, because any decent player knows if your opponent has a busted flush draw and you raise him on the river, there is 0% chance of being called.Considering he doubled me up with bottom 2 pair, I'd say it's safe to say he sucked. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Bet *at least* 8 on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Money022 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 Bet *at least* 8 on the river.You think I'll get reraised betting half the pot? Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 You think I'll get reraised betting half the pot?Why do you care about a reraise when you put him on a set? You have the nuts, you have him on a strong hand, you know he sucks...get some money in the middle! Link to post Share on other sites
tallytownFSU 0 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Don't like it. What happens if he comes over the top????You call. A king is coming on the river.Case closed.sw Link to post Share on other sites
Pan 0 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Just wondering - do you guys all like the flop call? I tend to fold there (unless the stacks are deeper than $25); is that too passive? How deep should the stacks be to make that call? Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 You think I'll get reraised betting half the pot?9 times out of 10 if he is going to reraise he was reraising regardless of the size of your bet. Link to post Share on other sites
crankin 0 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Just wondering - do you guys all like the flop call? I tend to fold there (unless the stacks are deeper than $25); is that too passive? How deep should the stacks be to make that call?Well you're basically getting the 4-1 direct odds that you need to call just to hit your flush (discounting that your overcards might be good), so this is a pretty straightforward call. If you had some form of straight draw to go with it, you should probably push. Link to post Share on other sites
BIG_L_RIP 0 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 truly masterful play at $25 NL. You have a chapter in SuperSystem III?You spiked a river out. Bravo. Link to post Share on other sites
augmented 0 Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 you played this hand bad, but you seem to have a lot of confidence in your game. confidence is all you need sometimes.tp/mm Link to post Share on other sites
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