The Rest Of My Trip: Commerce Casino

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As part of my WPT Boot Camp trip, I stayed at the Commerce Casino, so in the evening, I played some cash games. I was told beforehand that these people can't fold an Ace, and I say to that, you are giving them way too much credit. These people can't fold paint. They would get crushed, just crushed in the 0.10 rooms online. I played $100 buy-in $2/$3NL, and $40 buy-in $1/$2NL. Unfortunately, my luck ran poorly at the $2/$3 table, getting either no hand or sucked out on the river, and I ended up down for the trip. People would chase $30 bets with a Q high and overcards on the board. People would stay in 4XBB raises pre-flop with J4o. I couldn't catch a break. I wish I lived near there, that was an increadibly easy game. Humorous scenes from the games:--Player 1 gets AA, and takes a huge from Player 2. Next hand, player 2 gets AA and takes it back from Player 1. About 10 hands later, player 2 gets AA again. Based on the bet size, player 1 says "I know you have AA but I'm going to crack it this time." So he calls with KJo and cracks the aces. He spent the next 10 minutes bragging what a great call it was.--Someone bets $6 into a $60 pot (min-value bet, I guess, like a min-raise only more rare.)--Funniest hand that I was involved in: I limp in with K7s, hit the flush on the flop. I see a couple of medium bets before me, and I raise to double the pot. A guy says "that puts me in a tough spot." (I think to myself, thanks for that info). So I figure it's either a made flush with a worse card, or the nut ace with a draw. He thinks and thinks and finally calls. On the turn, I try to put him all-in (he's got about 1/10 the pot left), and he folds, and turns up the Q. No, not Qx suited, just the Q. He donked off most of his pot to chase the third nut flush when someone had just made the biggest raise the table had seen to that point on a suited board. He defended it by saying I should have raised preflop with a hand that good (yeah, that K7s is a powerhouse).--Funniest hand of all: Playing $1/$2 NL, $40 buy-in -- Player 1 goes all (about $18) except accidentally leaves one chip behind. Two people call. Flop comes with random junk. Player 1 tosses in his last chip. Player two folds. Whaaaaa?Better than 50:1 pot odds with two cards to go. How bad was his hand? At least player 3 knew to call the $1 bet.

[Mercury69 3]

Just sad...

[speedz99 145]

Wiz! You old such-and-such!

[CROPE 0]

The saddest part is that they are proabably winning that way on party poker.

[ryansd 0]

Commerce is the devil. I hate the structure of their 100$ game, and the $200 game is nothing to be happy about either. Its action, action and more action. Most of the players are terrible, and if you dont find something to play, you will lose it all very quickly.

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Commerce is the devil. I hate the structure of their 100$ game, and the $200 game is nothing to be happy about either. Its action, action and more action. Most of the players are terrible, and if you dont find something to play, you will lose it all very quickly.

Yeah, that was the problem I had. On the other hand, one or two hands can pay for many nights of bad luck. People cannot fold ANYTHING. Cold streaks are extra cold, but a guy next to me had something like $500 (at the $100 buy-in), and he barely played a hand. A guy in the class played a $40 buy-in, and made a $240 profit at $1/$2 in a couple of hours. Ridiculous, yes. Potentially profitable, yes. If you've got the bankroll, wow...

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Oh, I forgot one other humorous happenings from the Commerce. At the $40 table, a kid shows up and is trying to find out the rules for buying back after losses. He asks the other players, the dealer, the floor man, and can't get a clear answer. He keeps asking anyone who passes by. I mean, he is *obsessed* with finding the answer. Eventually, he limps into a hand for $2 and loses. He "rebuys" for $2 to get back to $40. A few minutes later he wants to rebuy for $4, and is told he can only rebuy after a complete loss, only one partial rebuy. That rule is apparently rescinded later, as he rebuys for a partial stack (around $15). What is that all about?

[DaBruins 0]

i hate commerce. I'm more of a Bicycle Casino type of a guy.

[UncleKraut 0]

Yes, the game at the Commerce is ridiculously easy. BUT... The variance in the cash games has to be the worst anywhere in the world. You need a quite a high tolerance for suck outs in lower stakes no limit games because people play like they are brain amputated. Which in my case usually means I get sucked out on all night and steam so bad that I donk off all my money. I also hate the $20-$40 raises pre-flopwhen you're only sitting there with $100. This sh.it is worse than 5$ Party sit n go's.

[DB10-2 0]

yeah, i was the guy who said people couldn't fold aces, but your experiences sound a lot like mine (only without so many bad beats).the worst beat i can think of was a multiway raised pot. i held 88 in the SB.the flop was 789 with two clubs. i checked, there was relatively minor action around the table, and i check-raised the size of the pot when it got back to me.the BB, this crotchety, awful old guy, says, "i don't believe you!" and pushes all in over the top for another $40 or so which meant i had to insta-call even if i needed to boat up to win. but when he said that, i figured he had some kind of a draw to a straight or clubs, and called.the turn was the 4c, filling a flush, and the river was a 10. i said, "i'm not sure if it was the club or the 10 that fu@ked me, but i'm sure it was one of them. show me a winner." he turned over the QJ (only one club), for the nut straight, which he had rivered with the 10 on a gutshot. unbelievable.

[jacko412 0]

yeah, i was the guy who said people couldn't fold aces, but your experiences sound a lot like mine (only without so many bad beats).the worst beat i can think of was a multiway raised pot. i held 88 in the SB.the flop was 789 with two clubs. i checked, there was relatively minor action around the table, and i check-raised the size of the pot when it got back to me.the BB, this crotchety, awful old guy, says, "i don't believe you!" and pushes all in over the top for another $40 or so which meant i had to insta-call even if i needed to boat up to win. but when he said that, i figured he had some kind of a draw to a straight or clubs, and called.the turn was the 4c, filling a flush, and the river was a 10. i said, "i'm not sure if it was the club or the 10 that fu@ked me, but i'm sure it was one of them. show me a winner." he turned over the QJ (only one club), for the nut straight, which he had rivered with the 10 on a gutshot. unbelievable.

1st u played that hand like idiot2nd thats why the donk put u on something like Q9

[godoffrisbee 0]

1st u played that hand like idiot2nd thats why the donk put u on something like Q9

I think you're wrong. Think about it, the check-raise is usually a play that means one thing: I want to take this pot down now. With a set on a dangerous board like that, a check-raise is a totally valid play. In fact, a check-raise is, in my humblest of opinions, is the second best play here. As to your second point, if the donk put him on a hand like Q9, he's dead to what he thinks is probably a 6-outer, and puts the rest of his money in knowing without a doubt that he will get called. The only thing you can say to plays like that is "yum-yum!!!" I drool when i see people making plays like that in NLHE.

[ryansd 0]

I like the Bike much better as well.

[DB10-2 0]

I think you're wrong. Think about it, the check-raise is usually a play that means one thing: I want to take this pot down now. With a set on a dangerous board like that, a check-raise is a totally valid play. In fact, a check-raise is, in my humblest of opinions, is the second best play here. As to your second point, if the donk put him on a hand like Q9, he's dead to what he thinks is probably a 6-outer, and puts the rest of his money in knowing without a doubt that he will get called. The only thing you can say to plays like that is "yum-yum!!!" I drool when i see people making plays like that in NLHE.

yeah, i don't know how i could have played the hand better, save betting the flop and hoping to get raised, but i expected only to get called all the way around unless i moved in.i didn't do that because i didn't necessarily want to take the pot down on the flop, but instead to punish anyone trying to outdraw me while building a pot.i guess i should have posted also that i was more confident than not that nobody had flopped a straight and i was already losing the hand. when i repopped with a pot-size raise, the only problem was that someone on a draw really then wouldn't have much to lose by moving in right then and there given everyone's stack sizes. but again, since i'm a favorite (and was specifically better than 4-1 against the guy who moved in), why should that bother me?

[runthemover 39]

1st u played that hand like idiot2nd thats why the donk put u on something like Q9

getting all the money in as 80% favourite. yep. he should just quit poker.