zzz 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 The golden rule for Christians: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Christians who make money playing poker can't possibly follow this rule while playing. "Take advantage of other people's weaknesses just as you would have them do unto you". Anybody who says that that is ok is not being truthful. I'm sure you can feel the love when people take advantage of you... Link to post Share on other sites
Canada 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 The golden rule for Christians: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Christians who make money playing poker can't possibly follow this rule while playing. "Take advantage of other people's weaknesses just as you would have them do unto you". Anybody who says that that is ok is not being truthful. I'm sure you can feel the love when people take advantage of you...Of course they can.It's healthy competition with open rules and structure. Everyone knows that better players will win more money. No-one is being taken advantage of.Now cheating or playing against an known addict is another matter. Then someone is being taken advantage of Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 and u rnot even a christian canada...good job haha Link to post Share on other sites
zzz 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 [/b]It's healthy competition Since when is competition healthy. Where there is a winner there is a loser. Losing makes most people feel bad. Feeling bad is not healthy. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 [/b]It's healthy competition Since when is competition healthy. Where there is a winner there is a loser. Losing makes most people feel bad. Feeling bad is not healthy.Healthy competition is an expression...Yes competition is good. Yes somebody comes out on the bottom. Thats just the facts. the point is though that these people put thier money out there. Nobody forces them. If they are overmatched then they shouldnt be playing. Until somebody forces them to play or somebody is outright cheating them then it is healthy competition. Link to post Share on other sites
zzz 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Of course they can.It's healthy competition with open rules and structure. Everyone knows that better players will win more money. No-one is being taken advantage of.Now cheating or playing against an known addict is another matter. Then someone is being taken advantage ofExactly. Playing against a known addict is wrong. It is safe to say that mostpeople you would play against are addicted to winning. Thank you for helping me prove my point. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Exactly. Playing against a known addict is wrong. It is safe to say that mostpeople you would play against are addicted to winning. Thank you for helping me prove my point.i think his point was that you shouldnt be playing against somebody addicted to poker...not winning. do people like to win? yes but do they understand losing is also a likelihood.. Link to post Share on other sites
zzz 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Most people engage in competition for the sole purpose of making the other competitor(s) lose so that they can win. A selfish act indeed. I'm sorry if you don't understand this logic. Someday you will. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Most people engage in competition for the sole purpose of making the other competitor(s) lose so that they can win. A selfish act indeed. I'm sorry if you don't understand this logic. Someday you will.hahaha..and if in ur reality you win everytime then you need to wake up Link to post Share on other sites
zzz 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 hahaha..and if in ur reality you win everytime then you need to wake up[/quoteThe mere thought of wanting to win is a selfish thought. Competing to win is a selfish action. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Of course they can.It's healthy competition with open rules and structure. Everyone knows that better players will win more money. No-one is being taken advantage of.Now cheating or playing against an known addict is another matter. Then someone is being taken advantage of But what if you took their money saved it up and got them some help? Or. Took their money and gave it to their responseible partner? not trying to be jerk, just trying to say "it's in the way that you use it". Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Most people engage in competition for the sole purpose of making the other competitor(s) lose so that they can win. A selfish act indeed. I'm sorry if you don't understand this logic. Someday you will.are you seriously arguing that any competition is inherently selfish and therefore unchristianlike? really? Link to post Share on other sites
zzz 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 are you seriously arguing that any competition is inherently selfish and therefore unchristianlike? really?Any competition where the sole purpose of competing is winning is indeed selfish. I am sorry if you don't understand that. There is such a thing as friendly competition where the main goal is having fun rather than winning. There is a major difference between play money poker and real money poker. Play money poker is where the main objective of most people is having fun. Real money poker is where the main objective of most people is making money by winning. Most all people who play real money poker want to win. When your main objective is winning you are happy when you win and happy at the expense of the loser who wanted to win. I am sorry if you don't see anything selfish and wrong with that.But what if you took their money saved it up and got them some help? Or. Took their money and gave it to their responseible partner? not trying to be jerk, just trying to say "it's in the way that you use it". That would be good. The better option would be to not play them in the first place Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 wow. you're not too bright.good luck with all that Link to post Share on other sites
zzz 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 wow. you're not too bright.good luck with all thatThank you for that highly thought out and intelligent response! Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Make a stupid statement, get a stupid response.You're saying that any competition in which one tries to win is bad. Thats idiotic, sooo, thats all you get. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 The problem that zzz doesnt comprehend is that the rules of poker are completely understood by all therefore giving nobody an inherent advantage. That makes the came completely equal. You are not walking in with an edge as you dont know the cards. So the real question comes to mind...are you treating that other person as you would like to be treated. And if you are giving them an even playing field then you should expect that from them. They know exactly what to expect, they know not to take it personal and if they do then dont play...you wont like anybody that way... Link to post Share on other sites
zzz 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Make a stupid statement, get a stupid response.You're saying that any competition in which one tries to win is bad. Thats idiotic, sooo, thats all you get.All I am saying is when you put the goal of winning ahead of the goal of having fun (which is almost always the case when playing poker for real money), logical people would agree that it is indeed wrong. I thought I spelled it out for you in my previous post, but I guess not. Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 yeah, I agree with you, but what I think he's trying to say is that any competition in which you try to win is bad. what I can't comprehend is how anybody could actually think that.Football, bad. Marathons, bad. Candyland, bad.edit: I agree with Matt Link to post Share on other sites
zzz 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 yeah, I agree with you, but what I think he's trying to say is that any competition in which you try to win is bad. what I can't comprehend is how anybody could actually think that.Football, bad. Marathons, bad. Candyland, bad.edit: I agree with MattYour ignorance is unbelievable. That wasn't my point whatsoever. For the third time, any competition where the main objective becomes winning rather than having fun is wrong. What is so hard to understand about that shake and matt? You cannot logically disagree with seeing wanting to win above wanting to have fun is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
Trustno1 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Does zzz have a job? Is interviewing for employment against others not competition. This black and white thinking of right and wrong is what drives me AWAY form organized religion.I wouldn't be suprised that his next response will be scripture. The trump card for all fundementalist christians discussing religion. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Your ignorance is unbelievable. That wasn't my point whatsoever. For the third time, any competition where the main objective becomes winning rather than having fun is wrong. What is so hard to understand about that shake and matt? You cannot logically disagree with seeing wanting to win above wanting to have fun is wrong.except that isnt what the bible says...It says "Treat others the same way you want them to treat you" Luke 6:31I would expect that when i play a poker game that they treat me with the same respect i treat them with. I expect that win or lose they will show class. Would everybody like to win? Of course. But the verse isnt saying that is wrong. But if you treat somebody like garbage or take advantage of them...then that is wrong.You have taken the verse out of context to try to make a point..please put it back in context and you will see the truth. Link to post Share on other sites
zzz 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Does zzz have a job? Is interviewing for employment against others not competition. This black and white thinking of right and wrong is what drives me AWAY form organized religion.I wouldn't be suprised that his next response will be scripture. The trump card for all fundementalist christians discussing religion.I am not a religous person. Any person with half a brain would realize that there is good competition and bad competition. Good competition is when your main intention is having fun. Bad competition is when your main intention is winning. Most poker players fall under the category of wanting to win over wanting to have fun. I am sorry if you don't see anything wrong with that. Class dismissed.except that isnt what the bible says...It says "Treat others the same way you want them to treat you" Luke 6:31I would expect that when i play a poker game that they treat me with the same respect i treat them with. I expect that win or lose they will show class. Would everybody like to win? Of course. But the verse isnt saying that is wrong. But if you treat somebody like garbage or take advantage of them...then that is wrong.You have taken the verse out of context to try to make a point..please put it back in context and you will see the truth.The truth is that when you compete for the main purpose of winning you are being selfish and I am sure you don't want a world full of selfish people. Can you understand that? Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Here you go...com·pe·ti·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kmp-tshn)n. The act of competing, as for profit or a prize; rivalry. A test of skill or ability; a contest: a skating competition. Rivalry between two or more businesses striving for the same customer or market. A competitor: The competition has cornered the market. Ecology. The simultaneous demand by two or more organisms for limited environmental resources, such as nutrients, living space, or light. from www.dictionary.comIf you compete against someone, you are trying to beat them, regardless of whether or not you're having fun. So your argument makes no sense. I'm sorry. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I am not a religous person. Any person with half a brain would realize that there is good competition and bad competition. Good competition is when your main intention is having fun. Bad competition is when your main intention is winning. Most poker players fall under the category of wanting to win over wanting to have fun. I am sorry if you don't see anything wrong with that. Class dismissed.The truth is that when you compete for the main purpose of winning you are being selfish and I am sure you don't want a world full of selfish people. Can you understand that?hahaha...those are yoru definitions of good and bad competition? If you arent having fun while playing poker then whats the point of it? The entire US economy is built around the concept of competition...yet it appears to be doing alright..Your views seem to be that of a communist government and not of reality Link to post Share on other sites
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