spikymarv99 0 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 In MP, one limper, I find 6-6 and limp as well. There is one more limper and the button raises. The BB re-raises. The EP limper folds. Is this a +EV call in NL? I have been debating this argument with a friend and would like more imput. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 NEI. How much are the raises, how's the table playing, and what are the stack sizes? If it's not a whole lot more, the button isn't likely to put in another raise, and you've got deep enough stacks, it's +EV (due to implied odds) to try to hit a set. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 NEI. How much are the raises, how's the table playing, and what are the stack sizes? If it's not a whole lot more, the button isn't likely to put in another raise, and you've got deep enough stacks, it's +EV (due to implied odds) to try to hit a set.Most likely a raise and re raise should take away implied odds here unless we're playing exceptionally deep, or people are putting in silly min raises. Link to post Share on other sites
jimmybaker04 0 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 The raises would have to be small and their stacks enormous to make this a +EV play. We tried to see a flop cheaply, it didn't work out, so let's fold and move on. Link to post Share on other sites
spikymarv99 0 Posted February 5, 2006 Author Share Posted February 5, 2006 It's a small 7-handed 5-10 NL game at the bike. Minimum buy-in is $500 and no cap on the max. The button raised to $35 and the BB re-raised to $175. I bought in for $800 and was prob sitting at $650 (maybe a little less). My problem is that the action is not closed. What if I call off almost 1/4 of my stack and the button re-raises. Do I call an all-in with 6-6??? I wouldn't. These games at the Bike are hyper-agreesive and it was a pretty stellar line-up at the table. With all this, can you call the re-raise? Link to post Share on other sites
rusmac31 0 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 calling off 1/4 of your stack to hit a set is not good...implied odds are bad and action's not closed...easy fold and wait for a better opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites
Limit Player 0 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 It's a small 7-handed 5-10 NL game at the bike. Minimum buy-in is $500 and no cap on the max. The button raised to $35 and the BB re-raised to $175. I bought in for $800 and was prob sitting at $650 (maybe a little less). My problem is that the action is not closed. What if I call off almost 1/4 of my stack and the button re-raises. Do I call an all-in with 6-6??? I wouldn't. These games at the Bike are hyper-agreesive and it was a pretty stellar line-up at the table. With all this, can you call the re-raise?This isn't me being a jerk at all. It's an honest question.Do you feel like you belong at this table if it's a stellar line up and you're sitting there unable to figure out if this is a +EV call?I feel as though it is a clear fold. At best you're a coinflip. At worst they both have you crushed. Link to post Share on other sites
mbreon 0 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 In MP, one limper, I find 6-6 and limp as well. There is one more limper and the button raises. The BB re-raises. The EP limper folds. Is this a +EV call in NL? I have been debating this argument with a friend and would like more imput.Fold this hand unless the raises are very small. If you can get in cheap to hit a set, it's worth a shot, but with a raise and re-raise, most of the time it is an easy fold. Link to post Share on other sites
mbreon 0 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 It's a small 7-handed 5-10 NL game at the bike. Minimum buy-in is $500 and no cap on the max. The button raised to $35 and the BB re-raised to $175. I bought in for $800 and was prob sitting at $650 (maybe a little less). My problem is that the action is not closed. What if I call off almost 1/4 of my stack and the button re-raises. Do I call an all-in with 6-6??? I wouldn't. These games at the Bike are hyper-agreesive and it was a pretty stellar line-up at the table. With all this, can you call the re-raise?This isn't me being a jerk at all. It's an honest question.Do you feel like you belong at this table if it's a stellar line up and you're sitting there unable to figure out if this is a +EV call?I feel as though it is a clear fold. At best you're a coinflip. At worst they both have you crushed.I have to agree with spikymarv here. You should easily be able to throw this away. You can definitely find much better spots to put 1/4 of your stack in than this hand. Link to post Share on other sites
HurricaneKyle 0 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Considering the amount to call, the amount of money you have, the strength of your hand, the presumed strength of your opponents hand(s), the fact that you are the caller and not the raiser= Easy fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Limit Player 0 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 just wondering... what are you planning to do when the flop doesn't bring a six and contains over cards, and you just called a large re-raise? Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 It's a small 7-handed 5-10 NL game at the bike. Minimum buy-in is $500 and no cap on the max. The button raised to $35 and the BB re-raised to $175. I bought in for $800 and was prob sitting at $650 (maybe a little less). My problem is that the action is not closed. What if I call off almost 1/4 of my stack and the button re-raises. Do I call an all-in with 6-6??? I wouldn't. These games at the Bike are hyper-agreesive and it was a pretty stellar line-up at the table. With all this, can you call the re-raise?Like the others said, given those conditions, it's a fold. Now if the button had min-raised and the BB had re-raised to $60 or so, it might've been worth it. It also might've been worth it if the stacks had been deeper and you felt like you could've felted one if a 6 came off. Link to post Share on other sites
spikymarv99 0 Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 It's a small 7-handed 5-10 NL game at the bike. Minimum buy-in is $500 and no cap on the max. The button raised to $35 and the BB re-raised to $175. I bought in for $800 and was prob sitting at $650 (maybe a little less). My problem is that the action is not closed. What if I call off almost 1/4 of my stack and the button re-raises. Do I call an all-in with 6-6??? I wouldn't. These games at the Bike are hyper-agreesive and it was a pretty stellar line-up at the table. With all this, can you call the re-raise?This isn't me being a jerk at all. It's an honest question.Do you feel like you belong at this table if it's a stellar line up and you're sitting there unable to figure out if this is a +EV call?I feel as though it is a clear fold. At best you're a coinflip. At worst they both have you crushed.It was an easy fold, but people have told me that I should have stayed in. My main concern is not the amount of the bet, but rather that the action is not closed. If I call, the only reason is to flop a set. If I don't believe they have huge hands, then I lose implied odds. The button had Q-Q and the other guy had A-A (all-in PF). Guess what came on the flop..... I think the results swayed some people's judgments about the play. I flopped a set and turned quads. Link to post Share on other sites
spikymarv99 0 Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 just wondering... what are you planning to do when the flop doesn't bring a six and contains over cards, and you just called a large re-raise?The only reason to call is to hit a set. Hit it or throw it away. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Well, normally the fact that you're not closing the action with a raise and re-raise should concern you somewhat. In this particular case, the bet/stack sizes warrant a fold even if you ignore the fact that you're not closing the action. Link to post Share on other sites
jimmybaker04 0 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 insta-fold Link to post Share on other sites
Limit Player 0 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I think if you call, button pushes, other guy calls, and you just contributed dead money to a massive pot. that's a very large re-raise and I'm not comfortable giving away 1/4 my stack only to miss hitting a set most of the time and then folding the flop.what do you think that would do to your table image? Link to post Share on other sites
spikymarv99 0 Posted February 10, 2006 Author Share Posted February 10, 2006 I think if you call, button pushes, other guy calls, and you just contributed dead money to a massive pot. that's a very large re-raise and I'm not comfortable giving away 1/4 my stack only to miss hitting a set most of the time and then folding the flop.what do you think that would do to your table image?If I would have called, I would have gotten alot of action on my strong hands :-) Link to post Share on other sites
TeeSludge 0 Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 It's a small 7-handed 5-10 NL game at the bike. Minimum buy-in is $500 and no cap on the max. The button raised to $35 and the BB re-raised to $175. I bought in for $800 and was prob sitting at $650 (maybe a little less). My problem is that the action is not closed. What if I call off almost 1/4 of my stack and the button re-raises. Do I call an all-in with 6-6??? I wouldn't. These games at the Bike are hyper-agreesive and it was a pretty stellar line-up at the table. With all this, can you call the re-raise?This isn't me being a jerk at all. It's an honest question.Do you feel like you belong at this table if it's a stellar line up and you're sitting there unable to figure out if this is a +EV call?I feel as though it is a clear fold. At best you're a coinflip. At worst they both have you crushed.I agree here with ya Limit Player and was thinking the same thing myself. If there was a pretty stellar line-up at the table, I'm probably letting the floor person know that I'd like a table change.As for the hand itself, there is really not much for me to say that hasn't been said already. Link to post Share on other sites
spikymarv99 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Author Share Posted February 12, 2006 It's a small 7-handed 5-10 NL game at the bike. Minimum buy-in is $500 and no cap on the max. The button raised to $35 and the BB re-raised to $175. I bought in for $800 and was prob sitting at $650 (maybe a little less). My problem is that the action is not closed. What if I call off almost 1/4 of my stack and the button re-raises. Do I call an all-in with 6-6??? I wouldn't. These games at the Bike are hyper-agreesive and it was a pretty stellar line-up at the table. With all this, can you call the re-raise?This isn't me being a jerk at all. It's an honest question.Do you feel like you belong at this table if it's a stellar line up and you're sitting there unable to figure out if this is a +EV call?I feel as though it is a clear fold. At best you're a coinflip. At worst they both have you crushed.I agree here with ya Limit Player and was thinking the same thing myself. If there was a pretty stellar line-up at the table, I'm probably letting the floor person know that I'd like a table change.As for the hand itself, there is really not much for me to say that hasn't been said already.Bike had two game spread and the other was a must move... I don't know if stellar is actually accurate. If you watch Live @ the Bike, you will reconize some of the players: Barry, Corporation Mike, and Hav. Not elite players, but decent. Link to post Share on other sites
bmwmcoupe 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 your 8-1 to hit your set, you would need to win a 1400$ on average every time u call to hit your set for it to be a profitable call, in this case this is a -ev Link to post Share on other sites
petersun 0 Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 No way around it, this hand can't be +ev. What you should do is get into a game with your friends who are telling you should call it =) Link to post Share on other sites
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