bad call or have to payoff

[SLEEPYCHIEF 0]

On FCP playing 1-1 NLH. 3 LImpers plus me, Button raises five, one caller plus me. I hold 7's. Flop is 3 4 6 rainbow. Opp checks I raise 11, button has 10.50 left and calls. Other Opp calls. Turn is K still rainbow. Opp checks, I check. River is 7. Opp bets out 20. I figure I'm beat, but I call to see it. Opp non button shows 55. Any opinions?

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

On FCP playing 1-1 NLH.  3 LImpers plus me, Button raises five, one caller plus me.  I hold 7's.  Flop is 3 4 6 rainbow.  Opp checks I raise 11, button has 10.50 left and calls.  Other Opp calls.  Turn is K still rainbow.  Opp checks, I check.  River is 7.  Opp bets out 20.  I figure I'm beat, but I call to see it.  Opp non button shows 55.  Any opinions?

I'm confused, which one had the 5's? The guy who had 10.50, or the other?

[JSHamm 9]

This doesn't make sense:I'll put it in a more readable format (from what I can tell)Pre-flop:You limpButton raises $5One callerYou callFlop: $18 in the potFlop: 3 4 6UTG checksYou bet $11button (who has $10.50 left) callsUTG callsYou're returned .50Turn: 49.50 in the potTurn :3 4 6 KUTG checksYou checkRiver: 49.50 in the potRiver: 3 4 6 K 7UTG bets $20You call $20Pot: 89.50UTG shows 55You show 77 for a set of sevensSo the UTG (I'm just using that to show you were in middle position of these two players) had the 5's for the straight?

[SLEEPYCHIEF 0]

u r correct sir

[SpeedKills 0]

somewhat tought to get away from, but its possible to fold. ALso depends on the player and how they have been playing lately. You probably should ahve bet the turn though as well.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Take the pink panties off and lead out pot-sized on the turn. He didn't hit his King, just convince yourself of that and lead out, you may knock him off his open ender.

[JeremyG 0]

Opp checks I raise 11

Well I think you need to get your terminology correct before playing any more poker, you didn't "raise", you BET.Proof once again that most of these idiots on this forum have never even SEEN a B&M Casino... could you imagine.... check.. "I raise"."um, sir, you can't raise"."Ok well I want to put 11 in the pot, is that ok?"

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Opp checks I raise 11

Well I think you need to get your terminology correct before playing any more poker, you didn't "raise", you BET.Proof once again that most of these idiots on this forum have never even SEEN a B&M Casino... could you imagine.... check.. "I raise"."um, sir, you can't raise"."Ok well I want to put 11 in the pot, is that ok?"

Ask yourself before you ever post anything like this again.."Is this a wortwhile post?"If the answer is no, like it would have been for this one, don't post it.

[BIG_L_RIP 0]

hey DD, check your PMs.

[JeremyG 0]

Really?I do think it's worthwhile. People asking for a bit more advanced advice yet they don't even know the terminology for bet or raise?It's really pitiful. Maybe he'll learn something.

[Chief 0]

bet the turn bet the turn bet the turn

[SLEEPYCHIEF 0]

Opp checks I raise 11

Well I think you need to get your terminology correct before playing any more poker, you didn't "raise", you BET.Proof once again that most of these idiots on this forum have never even SEEN a B&M Casino... could you imagine.... check.. "I raise"."um, sir, you can't raise"."Ok well I want to put 11 in the pot, is that ok?"

I played at casinos long before playing the internet so FU. I raise the pot, tit for tat. I wanted advice not a nagging Bytch analyzing every last syallable of the post, You knew what i meant. Azzhole!

[Scott3705 0]

Really?I do think it's worthwhile. People asking for a bit more advanced advice yet they don't even know the terminology for bet or raise?It's really pitiful. Maybe he'll learn something.

Clearly there was no reason to get on him about the distinction between raise and bet.

[Scott3705 0]

i think you have to bet this turn. But given that you didn't... I think you can fold to a 20 bet into a dry side pot. Just a crap card to catch though.

[Smasharoo 0]

Betting the turn is pointless unless you know the results.Even then it's fairly pointless. Leading into an overcard with your underpair and a gutshot?Why?

[iggymcfly 0]

I'd probably bet the turn here, but it's close. I really doubt your opponent's going to go for the check-raise with a dry side pot, so the bet's relatively safe. However, if your opponent's tight enough that he'll only call the PF raise with a pocket pair and won't raise with something like 99 or TT, then checking's probably the move.The river's really difficult to fold given that you just hit your set, but you have to ask yourself what your opponent could have. Normally, a large bet either means that your opponent's bluffing or that he just hit a big hand. Now, since there's a dry side pot, there's no reason whatsoever for your opponent to bluff, so I think you just have to put him on the straight and let this one go. Again, if the button wasn't all in, I think it would be an easy call, but since he is, I think you have to let this one go.edit: Actually, the more I think about this, the more I think betting the turn's not close. You have no reason to think your overpair wasn't ahead on the flop, and you have no reason to think that the villian caught up on the turn. Bet this turn.

[jayboogie 0]

I'd play it the same, maybe making a bet like 3/4 of the pot on the flop, but that's nitpicking.Betting the turn is pointless, you don't exactly have a monster here, just a pair and a gutshot. I'm probably never folding this river either, he can make this bet with too large a range of hands to narrow it down to him only doing it with a 5.

[The Bwaves 0]

Opp checks I raise 11

Well I think you need to get your terminology correct before playing any more poker, you didn't "raise", you BET.Proof once again that most of these idiots on this forum have never even SEEN a B&M Casino... could you imagine.... check.. "I raise"."um, sir, you can't raise"."Ok well I want to put 11 in the pot, is that ok?"

Bro, have you even been to a B&M yourself? Your acting like people don't do it at casino's. ""could you imagine....check.."I raise".""SOMEONE DOES IT EVERY HAND YOU PLAY!I guess it depends on the limits but OMG 3/6, holy shyt every other seat says raise when it's bet. I look at my favorite dealer Manny when someone says it and he always leans over when I'm in seat one and wispers, "I fucking hate that.."

[Eastwood Jr. 0]

This doesn't make sense:I'll put it in a more readable format (from what I can tell)Pre-flop:You limpButton raises $5One callerYou callFlop: $18 in the potFlop: 3 4 6UTG checksYou bet $11button (who has $10.50 left) callsUTG callsYou're returned .50Turn: 49.50 in the potTurn :3 4 6 KUTG checksYou checkRiver: 49.50 in the potRiver: 3 4 6 K 7UTG bets $20You call $20Pot: 89.50UTG shows 55You show 77 for a set of sevens*

[Eastwood Jr. 0]

This doesn't make sense:I'll put it in a more readable format (from what I can tell)Pre-flop:You limpButton raises $5One callerYou callFlop: $18 in the potFlop: 3 4 6UTG checksYou bet $11button (who has $10.50 left) callsUTG callsYou're returned .50Turn: 49.50 in the potTurn :3 4 6 KUTG checksYou checkRiver: 49.50 in the potRiver: 3 4 6 K 7UTG bets $20You call $20Pot: 89.50UTG shows 55You show 77 for a set of sevens* * * * * * *This is a difficult hand to analize. One which would be much less likely in a higer limit game. 3 4 6 certainly looks like a good flop for your hand but when you lead out and get to callers it doesn't look so good anymore. However there are a few things working in your favor. 1. Someone with a set or a big pair would probably want to protect their hand by raising enough to force a random five to pass (It would have been useful if you let us know the suits on board so we would know if anyone could have been drawing to a flush as well)2. Players in these limits often make bad calls by putting their opponent on a draw in this situation after a making a bad call to begin with. I disagree with all the guys who think you're crazy for checking the turn card when a king hits. By calling on the previous streets both your opponents showed that either A) They were strong and slowplaying a big hand or B) They were fishing around without much of a hand. (I believe that I would lean toward the latter in this case for the said designated reasons) I might have bet again, something in the neighborhood of thirty bucks but anything cheaper and I think that you're just value betting a hand that isn't strong enough to do so. The desperate guy with 10 bucks left isn't going anywhere any way. So really the only thing a bet accomplishes is taxing the button if he happens to have A5s or 55 (which of course he did but you didn't know.)Checking the hand down from here seems to be a reasonable alternative especially considering the player who is basically all in. However in this isolated case you got your worst river card, the 7. You made your set but if your opponnet has the hand you sort of wish he had one street ago (55 or A5) then you're beat. However, if he had one of the many hands you were hoping he didn't have one street prior than you're in great shape. Let's list a few examples- (AK) not likely but he could be losing it mentally, (33, 44,66) Assuming he didn't put you on a five (which is usually a good read when someone has called a raise) then slowplaying a set here might be a good play. (88, 99,1010) If he is worried that your flop bet seems fishy he might smooth call with a bigger pair here and hope to check it down just like you were. Finally if he flopped two pair he might decide to value bet here in case the button were the one a straight draw. (I know that this is going to be lambasted by the nits out there but not everyone only bets the nuts) That way maybe you call and he gets away from the hand even. Calling the river bet seems reasonable to me unless you have a strong read on the situation. You're getting a 4 to 1 price and your opponent would have to have called a preflop raise with a five in his hand (or KK) to have you beat. If he is an aggressive player you almost have to call him because since the button seems to be fishing without a pole, he may bluff to try and get you to throw away your pair so that his lower pair can win agianst the button's nothing.(Much like the previous italics, I believe plays like this make money when you have a good read on the situation) Or he may be value bettting a set, two pair or a pair.Greg Raymer always says to focus on decision's not results. If I were you I probably would have led for a pot sized bet on the flop. Leading for half the pot into the original raiser might force him to make a bad call and you don't want action here. If your hand is the best you want to win it on the flop, so put maximum pressure on your opponents. Maybe that way the button folds his ace and the utg player is no longer getting very good odds to draw at his straight. Other than that advice I might rewind a little farther. You might have been correct to raise the original limper with two sevens. You have position on him and as much as people say "fear the limper" its not usually true. Alot of the time people limp because they don't have a hand worth raising the blinds with but they don't want to throw it away. It's not a good mentality for the most part, but it's true. If you raise the utg player then maybe the button smooth calls , the utg folds and you can win it on the flop. Or maybe the button folds, the utg calls and you've defined the hand enough to put maximum pressure on your opponent after the flop.Either way, I don't feel your mistake was post turn in this hand. If you made an error it was either pre flop or on the flop. You didn't go broke with the set and you showed it down getting 4 to 1 on your money. Not a bad hand but just try to be more aggressive on the early streets and you will probably win a smaller pot instead of losing a big one.

[Scott3705 0]

Betting the turn is pointless unless you know the results.Even then it's fairly pointless.  Leading into an overcard with your underpair and a gutshot?Why?

Because he doesn't have a king. (I don't think you need results to tell that. Maybe limit he would have a king here. shrug). and he's going to reraise you on this turn with a monster.

[krup24 0]

I check the flop and fold to a bet

[iggymcfly 0]

You definitely want to play a multi-way pot with 77 so preflop, limping in's fine, and then you at least have odds to try and hit a set, so calling the raise is fine as well.Then, when you catch that flop, there' a good enough chance that you have the button beat that you have to bet against the short stack. When the king hits, you're probably beat by the button, (who likely had either A-K or a PP), but you still want to get value from the other player. I'd say A5, A6, 55, 45, 56, and 67 are all more likely at this point then AK or a better overpair. I just can't see him check-calling on both the flop and turn with a good made hand in this situation. It wouldn't help you in the long run, as you won't be able to bet enough to get him off his draw, but I still think you should try to get value on the turn. If I was actually playing the hand, I'd probably end up paying him off on the river too, but I still think that if he's betting out first to act on the river, he made his straight enough of the time to nake a fold +EV. Probably about 85% of the time in this situation.

[pokerplayer24 0]

I check the flop and fold to a bet

On an all unders flop with a gutshot you check fold 77? WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKK

[krup24 0]

I check the flop and fold to a bet

On an all unders flop with a gutshot you check fold 77? WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKK

Yes I do we are behind here I have to believe