play the list and trust the gut

[Dynon07 0]

I figured a lot of people on the site would be interested in my strategy. I began playing about 2 years ago at college in live games and really developed a deep passion for the game. After a long live game successful run I decided to really give this poker thing a try and I took up my first online endeavor. At first I played the micro stakes like 2 NL and gradually moved up and up till I turned into the game I am today, big jump I skipped a lot of rough times but whatever. The bottom line is my strat in 2 years ive earned somewhere in the range of 40 to 50 thousand dollars playing limits only as high as 2/4 and occassionally higher on rare occasions. Those occasions were usually the low points of my career where I was down a lot looking for quick recoveries. I haven't always followed the good guidelines of success and play out of my bankroll frequently, However I have lived off poker for over 2 years. My strategy has evolved many many times but I believe it works very very well.Basically first I went from 10 man tables to 6 man tables, where the action is quicker and the calls are looser, secondly I decided to play turbo tables on battlefield poker where u have 7 seconds to act. The calls you will get there are beyond ridiculous.First the playlist, I modified the playlist a few times but it basically this in the 6 man rooms. AA - 22 always to almost any initial raise every fold some to reraises if strong indication of being dominated. Suited hands, A x suited anything, suited QK , KJ , K 10 , K 9, QJ , Q 10, Q 9 , J 9 , 10 9 , 9 8 , 8 7 , 7 6, 5 6 , 5 4 , 4 3 , and 2 3 suited occasionally. I usually only raise AA, KK , QQ , JJ and AK and AQ in good positions but generally limp. My strat is based on always winning and when you raise AQ and AK preflop heavily you have to make moves on the pot consistently and some nights it just does not work. To play to live you have to win every single night if possible, my lose rate is about 10% if I am playing well. Second off always always overbet, never ever trap on dangerous boards, never trap period. People are retarded online, most almost all players are heros so if you are constantly overbetting when it seems pointless you will get called eventually, dont worry this works trust me. Target weak players and put them to giant giant decisions. Playing these 7 second to act rooms they will almost always make the wrong decision. The key is to be so aggressive that you bet so much that no one ever sees your hand, people get really mad at this and eventually call, but do not be aggressive with any hand less then 2 pair. If you flop a set bet out hard no matter the board, bet draws really hard, stuff like that.Third point, NEVER BE PASSIVE. There is nothing worst then people who just call call call call. Sorry IMO passive people have no skill at all. Avoid this at all costs, with this strat u are always leading hand so when people reraise you its a almost a given you are beaten, forget about fancy plays here you are play to live, you want as many cut and dried decisions as you can get. The key I would say is overbetting agaisnt weak players, look for them, put them to hard decisions and never ever play tournament poker, pushing all in prelfop with AK or something in cash games stuff like that. Tight aggressive players can outplay almost anyone, dont take that advantage away from yourself.I have also recently discovered rakeback oppurtunities that have increased my profits as well. Basically by 20 K a year if I play frequently soon to increase. The site in my signature has good links to this and eventually I will be writing articles on my strat and highlight profit charts and excel graphs. I just wish to inform people some about my strat and will definetly go into it more in my articles.Always lead, fire hard, dont trap ever, CUT and DRIED decisions u want them, bet hand straight up, play the list and have very good judgment. Remember when your raised using this strat you are beat, and finally if you are at all skeptical about rakeback I can help you with that too.Anyone post their thoughts, I feel free to take criticism or to explain certain reasoning, I just have been very successful with my strat after short playing time and should have much more saved if I wasn't Irresponsible at first. GL GUYS

[dimseven 0]

TPMM

[Dynon07 0]

What does that mean?

[Dynon07 0]

TPMM, itis fine if people doubt me its a little hard to swallow, but I have Excel sheets of all my progress, and everything documented, my aim is to just help people play a little bit better, and get them away from this passive nonsense that is running rampant. I can help people ALWAYS WIN, just takes a little concentration and dicipline. I also wish to inform people about rakeback and help them put some consistent money in their pockets. I already live off this game , but I guess you need a high post count to be respected at this place. Anyway anyone let me know your thoughts.

[HoosierAlum 0]

SAPS/MMThats for you Zimm.

[Dynon07 0]

Really getting some gay responses, good job guys.

[dimseven 0]

Really getting some gay responses, good job guys.

Turn straight, make babies

[Dynon07 0]

Really getting some gay responses, good job guys.

Turn straight, make babies

lol no wonder this forum sux, everyone makes dumb pointless posts that contribute nothing to this site. Anyone have anything decent to comment on?

[dimseven 0]

Anyone have anything decent to comment on?

Um, that You're spamming the board, and wrapping it in a "strat" post.

[Dynon07 0]

I am not spamming the board, I am telling people how to win very very consistently and how to live off this game, I hardly consider that spamming, its a strategy. I make 40-50 thousand off 1/2 NL. Everyone has to hate on everything, its so pathethic. I was merely sharing my great success and looking to help people out. People are so rude and pointless on forums. If you don't like it and you wanna sit back and be skeptical fine thats all good , I don't care, just dont ruin peoples good posts with random condescending nonsense.

[Patricnz 0]

dynon this was a very good post and because you had you had your rakeback info as your signature these wise asses thinking they are clever automatically assume your motive was to try hook some more rakeback refferalsthis advice has been given to me aswell and its perfectly applicable to a typical shorthanded nl game below as an estimate 5-10 bottom line is dynon is a good guy and is willing to help you guys interested in teaching you a way to beat these games so you up not jump to conclusions about his motives for posting this advice and thinking you are cleverseriously, posting tp/mm how orginial is that ?

[econ_tim 0]

dynon this was a very good post and because you had you had your rakeback info as your signature these wise asses thinking they are clever automatically assume your motive was to try hook some more rakeback refferalsthis advice has been given to me aswell and its perfectly applicable to a typical shorthanded nl game below as an estimate 5-10  bottom line  is dynon is  a good guy and is willing to help you guys interested in  teaching you a way to beat these games so you up  not jump to conclusions about his motives for posting this advice and thinking you are cleverseriously, posting tp/mm  how orginial is that ?

maybe people didn't like the OP because people generally ask questions on the forum instead of saying "here's a post with all the answers"his post gives very general advice "don't be passive" and "always overbet the pot." i think forum member would respond better if you made a post about one of these ideas and explained why and when it is appropriate. for example, maybe post a hand you played and talk about the merits of overbetting vs betting the pot. that post could generate a lot of good discussion.it is hard for a post like this one to generate good discussion because it is so broad. unless i write a 500 word reply, i can't adequately respond to the whole thing, and it is much easier (if less original) to type "TP/MM."Anyway, I hope the OP isn't too deterred. Maybe you should start off by reading the NL forum and responding to threads there. Also make some posts about hands you played that are interesting. I'm sure people will let you know what they disagree with. That way you can discuss your system in bits and pieces.

[dimseven 0]

I am not spamming the board, I am telling people how to win very very consistently and how to live off this game, I hardly consider that spamming, its a strategy.

I have also recently discovered rakeback oppurtunities that have increased my profits as well. Basically by 20 K a year if I play frequently soon to increase. The site in my signature has good links to this and eventually I will be writing articles on my strat and highlight profit charts and excel graphs. I just wish to inform people some about my strat and will definetly go into it more in my articles.

Yes I read that far. That's called spamming (when it's in an original post, not sig). I don't know, Your intentions might be good, but not too fond of the spam .

[dimseven 0]

dynon this was a very good post and because you had you had your rakeback info as your signature these wise asses thinking they are clever automatically assume your motive was to try hook some more rakeback refferals

I read the whole post.

seriously, posting tp/mm  how orginial is that ?

Orginial sounds dirty.HeeHee

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

I figured a lot of people on the site would be interested in my strategy. I began playing about 2 years ago at college in live games and really developed a deep passion for the game. After a long live game successful run I decided to really give this poker thing a try and I took up my first online endeavor. At first I played the micro stakes like 2 NL and gradually moved up and up till I turned into the game I am today, big jump I skipped a lot of rough times but whatever. The bottom line is my strat in 2 years ive earned somewhere in the range of 40 to 50 thousand dollars playing limits only as high as 2/4 and occassionally higher on rare occasions. Those occasions were usually the low points of my career where I was down a lot looking for quick recoveries. I haven't always followed the good guidelines of success and play out of my bankroll frequently, However I have lived off poker for over 2 years. My strategy has evolved many many times but I believe it works very very well.Basically first I went from 10 man tables to 6 man tables, where the action is quicker and the calls are looser, secondly I decided to play turbo tables on battlefield poker where u have 7 seconds to act. The calls you will get there are beyond ridiculous.First the playlist, I modified the playlist a few times but it basically this in the 6 man rooms. AA - 22 always to almost any initial raise every fold some to reraises if strong indication of being dominated. Suited hands, A x suited anything, suited QK , KJ , K 10 , K 9, QJ , Q 10, Q 9 , J 9 , 10 9 , 9 8 , 8 7 , 7 6,  5 6 , 5 4 , 4 3 , and 2 3 suited occasionally. I usually only raise AA, KK , QQ , JJ and AK and AQ in good positions but generally limp. My strat is based on always winning and when you raise AQ and AK preflop heavily you have to make moves on the pot consistently and some nights it just does not work. To play to live you have to win every single night if possible, my lose rate is about 10% if I am playing well.  Second off always always overbet, never ever trap on dangerous boards, never trap period. People are retarded online, most almost all players are heros so if you are constantly overbetting when it seems pointless you will get called eventually, dont worry this works trust me. Target weak players and put them to giant giant decisions. Playing these 7 second to act rooms they will almost always make the wrong decision. The key is to be so aggressive that you bet so much that no one ever sees your hand, people get really mad at this and eventually call, but do not be aggressive with any hand less then 2 pair. If you flop a set bet out hard no matter the board, bet draws really hard, stuff like that.Third point, NEVER BE PASSIVE. There is nothing worst then people who just call call call call. Sorry IMO passive people have no skill at all. Avoid this at all costs, with this strat u are always leading hand so when people reraise you its a almost a given you are beaten, forget about fancy plays here you are play to live, you want as many cut and dried decisions as you can get.  The key I would say is overbetting agaisnt weak players, look for them, put them to hard decisions and never ever play tournament poker, pushing all in prelfop with AK or something in cash games stuff like that. Tight aggressive players can outplay almost anyone, dont take that advantage away from yourself.I have also recently discovered rakeback oppurtunities that have increased my profits as well. Basically by 20 K a year if I play frequently soon to increase. The site in my signature has good links to this and eventually I will be writing articles on my strat and highlight profit charts and excel graphs. I just wish to inform people some about my strat and will definetly go into it more in my articles.Always lead, fire hard, dont trap ever, CUT and DRIED decisions u want them, bet hand straight up, play the list and have very good judgment. Remember when your raised using this strat you are beat, and finally if you are at all skeptical about rakeback I can help you with that too.Anyone post their thoughts, I feel free to take criticism or to explain certain reasoning, I just have been very successful with my strat after short playing time and should have much more saved if I wasn't Irresponsible at first. GL GUYS

STFU!! This is what I do..

[Dynon07 0]

dynon this was a very good post and because you had you had your rakeback info as your signature these wise asses thinking they are clever automatically assume your motive was to try hook some more rakeback refferalsthis advice has been given to me aswell and its perfectly applicable to a typical shorthanded nl game below as an estimate 5-10  bottom line  is dynon is  a good guy and is willing to help you guys interested in  teaching you a way to beat these games so you up  not jump to conclusions about his motives for posting this advice and thinking you are cleverseriously, posting tp/mm  how orginial is that ?

maybe people didn't like the OP because people generally ask questions on the forum instead of saying "here's a post with all the answers"his post gives very general advice "don't be passive" and "always overbet the pot." i think forum member would respond better if you made a post about one of these ideas and explained why and when it is appropriate. for example, maybe post a hand you played and talk about the merits of overbetting vs betting the pot. that post could generate a lot of good discussion.it is hard for a post like this one to generate good discussion because it is so broad. unless i write a 500 word reply, i can't adequately respond to the whole thing, and it is much easier (if less original) to type "TP/MM."Anyway, I hope the OP isn't too deterred. Maybe you should start off by reading the NL forum and responding to threads there. Also make some posts about hands you played that are interesting. I'm sure people will let you know what they disagree with. That way you can discuss your system in bits and pieces.

Well generally on this site there are a few players that dictacte acceptable strategy, hardly ever do I see someone post a strategy that differs from the generally accepted ABC poker.The merits of this strategy are simple. You are overbetting strong hands frequently in situations where most players are going to get very angry. It is very read oriented thought and you need to be extremely good to use it. Say that you flop top 2 pair UTG, most players would check and pull some fancy reraise on the turn. If they are more then 4 outs that could plausible destroy your hand I would recommend betting. People always find themselves in terrible situations because they checked the flop. It is much better to always always lead the hand. By being aggressive other players get very aggravated with you and when you are raised it strongly indicates you are beat. Eventually someone makes a stand. Also say the flop is 8 9 J rainbow and you are holding 10 Q UTG, bet hard!. People are really stupid, the 10 is sure to call you, people never fold top pair, you have to put weak players to TOUGH DECISIONS. They always make the wrong decision, you have to attack weak players. The other day I was playing I called a raise with A 10, the flop was 10 10 10. Four people called and I made it 54 UTG in a 1/2 room after raises preflop. The first player was holding a PP and raised me immediately. The second player was weak and obviously determined no one would do that with a 10 they would want to get paid, he reraised and I reraised and I won a 600+ pot with quads, had I checked the flop and done some shady just call maneuver my winnings would have been much less, its just a very obvious play, granted on some boards I would sometimes recommend trapping but if you know a weak player has a tough hand to fold forget about trapping get paid! If you have a low boat keep betting the draws will call, hell you see Ace high calling huge bets on the river just to get his 2 dollars back , people are very uneducated by the game. Plus when people see you betting the nuts UTG on a rainbow board you tend to catch a lot more free cards, cause they are deafly afraid of you. Your table image is great, people really hate you cause they can't play fancy poker. and people make stands at the wrong time. You know when your hand is good it is made clear on a regular basis and it you have self control you are unbeatable unless that you get outdrawn. Also I would almost always put people on the ideal drawing when you are overbetting. If the draw hits, DO NOT CALL VALUE BETS. Just fold, if you are not leading you are not winning. If flop is 10 J 4 and ur betting AJ hard and river is 9 and someone bets huge fold they have QK, why bother wait till the next idiot calls you down. Leading the hand is the main key to this strategy. You have to have great judgment and on certain boards you always take small stab raises to try to steal the pot, but nothing huge so you can get out easily.

[econ_tim 0]

Dynon,Here's a hand I played last night where I turned a boat. I guess according to your strat I should make a big turn bet. Maybe you can reply to that thread and say how you would play it.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...pic.php?t=37883

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

dynon this was a very good post and because you had you had your rakeback info as your signature these wise asses thinking they are clever automatically assume your motive was to try hook some more rakeback refferalsthis advice has been given to me aswell and its perfectly applicable to a typical shorthanded nl game below as an estimate 5-10  bottom line  is dynon is  a good guy and is willing to help you guys interested in  teaching you a way to beat these games so you up  not jump to conclusions about his motives for posting this advice and thinking you are cleverseriously, posting tp/mm  how orginial is that ?

maybe people didn't like the OP because people generally ask questions on the forum instead of saying "here's a post with all the answers"his post gives very general advice "don't be passive" and "always overbet the pot." i think forum member would respond better if you made a post about one of these ideas and explained why and when it is appropriate. for example, maybe post a hand you played and talk about the merits of overbetting vs betting the pot. that post could generate a lot of good discussion.it is hard for a post like this one to generate good discussion because it is so broad. unless i write a 500 word reply, i can't adequately respond to the whole thing, and it is much easier (if less original) to type "TP/MM."Anyway, I hope the OP isn't too deterred. Maybe you should start off by reading the NL forum and responding to threads there. Also make some posts about hands you played that are interesting. I'm sure people will let you know what they disagree with. That way you can discuss your system in bits and pieces.

Well generally on this site there are a few players that dictacte acceptable strategy, hardly ever do I see someone post a strategy that differs from the generally accepted ABC poker.The merits of this strategy are simple. You are overbetting strong hands frequently in situations where most players are going to get very angry. It is very read oriented thought and you need to be extremely good to use it. Say that you flop top 2 pair UTG, most players would check and pull some fancy reraise on the turn. If they are more then 4 outs that could plausible destroy your hand I would recommend betting. People always find themselves in terrible situations because they checked the flop. It is much better to always always lead the hand. By being aggressive other players get very aggravated with you and when you are raised it strongly indicates you are beat. Eventually someone makes a stand. Also say the flop is 8 9 J rainbow and you are holding 10 Q UTG, bet hard!. People are really stupid, the 10 is sure to call you, people never fold top pair, you have to put weak players to TOUGH DECISIONS. They always make the wrong decision, you have to attack weak players. The other day I was playing I called a raise with A 10, the flop was 10 10 10. Four people called and I made it 54 UTG in a 1/2 room after raises preflop. The first player was holding a PP and raised me immediately. The second player was weak and obviously determined no one would do that with a 10 they would want to get paid, he reraised and I reraised and I won a 600+ pot with quads, had I checked the flop and done some shady just call maneuver my winnings would have been much less, its just a very obvious play, granted on some boards I would sometimes recommend trapping but if you know a weak player has a tough hand to fold forget about trapping get paid! If you have a low boat keep betting the draws will call, hell you see Ace high calling huge bets on the river just to get his 2 dollars back , people are very uneducated by the game. Plus when people see you betting the nuts UTG on a rainbow board you tend to catch a lot more free cards, cause they are deafly afraid of you. Your table image is great, people really hate you cause they can't play fancy poker. and people make stands at the wrong time. You know when your hand is good it is made clear on a regular basis and it you have self control you are unbeatable unless that you get outdrawn. Also I would almost always put people on the ideal drawing when you are overbetting. If the draw hits, DO NOT CALL VALUE BETS. Just fold, if you are not leading you are not winning. If flop is 10 J 4 and ur betting AJ hard and river is 9 and someone bets huge fold they have QK, why bother wait till the next idiot calls you down. Leading the hand is the main key to this strategy. You have to have great judgment and on certain boards you always take small stab raises to try to steal the pot, but nothing huge so you can get out easily.

Man I wish you would shut up.. I've been doing this for years... shhhhhh plz!!!

[Dynon07 0]

Dynon,Here's a hand I played last night where I turned a boat.  I guess according to your strat I should make a big turn bet.  Maybe you can reply to that thread and say how you would play it.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...pic.php?t=37883

Actually Tim I would say you played that hand very very well. You keep betting even though you basically were positive you had to best hand and people kept calling you. This is the betting your hand straight up part. If the person called you on the flop with an ace he is seriously doubting the fact you had an eight. Most likely he called you with a flush draw and just missed, so your bet was good because if he rivered club it is certain he would call your almost in. That was a good play man, a lot of players would check and let the other guy try to catch a card.

[Dynon07 0]

You shouldn't worry to much BigD lol. Most people have a great creative intuition and they like to experiement with much more fancy play styles. It takes too much discpline to play this strategy for most people, this is just a lay back and let the cash roll in style when you gotta put pay some bills.

[ThatPkrGuy 0]

lol i suck at holdem...i have no clue as to how much to bet in certain situations...I have a tendancy to underbet the pot or overbet the pot...To much random stuff going on for me lol...

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

You shouldn't worry to much BigD lol. Most people have a great creative intuition and they like to experiement with much more fancy play styles. It takes too much discpline to play this strategy for most people, this is just a lay back and let the cash roll in style when you gotta put pay some bills.

Yeah, I've experimented with other styles.. but they suck..Or maybe I do, and this style is just so damn easy...I also like to needle people, and show when I'm betting my draw once in a while, and laugh at them.. or make a positon bluff, just a small, nothining bluff, but laugh at people for folding andstuff... piss people off..they call big bets when they are pissed..

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

lol i suck at holdem...i have no clue as to how much to bet in certain situations...I have a tendancy to underbet the pot or overbet the pot...To much random stuff going on for me lol...

Yeah, I tend to make 3/4 to pot sizzed bets.. if I have a monster hand, and some one else has shown streght, I over bet, pot sized or larger..Here's another thing.. making a pot sized bet on a draw on the flop, or turn if no one bets a flop, does two things.. it misrepresents your hand, and It builds a pot for if you hit.. 'cause if some fish is slow playing, as fish often do, they won't know what hit them when I hit my straight..

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

Notice how I mispresented my monster hand by raising on the flop.. no one with a full house raises on the flop, right? Wrongedit posted thewrong hand.. getting the right one..***** Hand History for Game 3066946857 *****$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, November 20, 15:56:07 EDT 2005Table Table 68409 (Real Money)Seat 10 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10 Seat 4: forkedick ( $106.25 )Seat 5: bigDMcgee ( $98.90 )Seat 3: Jersungod ( $42.90 )Seat 7: Fondo ( $60.35 )Seat 1: dennnycrane ( $53.40 )Seat 6: grillkorven ( $18.25 )Seat 8: billybob545 ( $45.75 )Seat 9: VladTaltoss ( $48.25 )Seat 2: schilles007 ( $12.35 )Seat 10: ktooz12 ( $24.45 )dennnycrane posts small blind [$0.25].schilles007 posts big blind [$0.50].** Dealing down cards **Dealt to bigDMcgee [ 6c 5d ]Jersungod calls [$0.50].>You have options at Table 65891 Table!.bigDMcgee calls [$0.50].grillkorven folds.billybob545 folds.VladTaltoss folds.ktooz12 folds.dennnycrane calls [$0.25].Tell a friend about PartyPoker.com and earn $50 & 1000 Party Points. Your friend receives $25!schilles007 checks.** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 6h, 5h ]dennnycrane checks.schilles007 checks.Jersungod bets [$0.50].bigDMcgee raises [$2].dennnycrane folds.schilles007 folds.Jersungod calls [$1.50].** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]Jersungod bets [$2].bigDMcgee raises [$6].Jersungod calls [$4].** Dealing River ** [ Td ]Jersungod checks.bigDMcgee bets [$35].Jersungod is all-In [$34.40]bigDMcgee shows [ 6c, 5d ] a full house, Sixes full of fives.Jersungod doesn't show [ Jh, Ac ] two pairs, jacks and sixes.bigDMcgee wins $0.60 from side pot #1 with a full house, Sixes full of fives.bigDMcgee wins $83.80 from the main pot with a full house, Sixes full of fives.

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

***** Hand History for Game 3066980878 *****$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, November 20, 16:02:32 EDT 2005Table Table 68409 (Real Money)Seat 9 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10 Seat 4: forkedick ( $105.25 )Seat 5: bigDMcgee ( $139.05 )Seat 7: Fondo ( $60.35 )Seat 1: dennnycrane ( $52.60 )Seat 6: grillkorven ( $12.50 )Seat 8: billybob545 ( $53.35 )Seat 9: VladTaltoss ( $48.45 )Seat 2: schilles007 ( $17.35 )Seat 10: ktooz12 ( $22.25 )Seat 3: charzy ( $45.25 )ktooz12 posts small blind [$0.25].dennnycrane posts big blind [$0.50].** Dealing down cards **Dealt to bigDMcgee [ Kc Kd ]schilles007 raises [$1].charzy raises [$5].>You have options at Table 65891 Table!.forkedick folds.bigDMcgee raises [$55].grillkorven folds.billybob545 folds.VladTaltoss folds.ktooz12 folds.dennnycrane: lol....little extremmedennnycrane folds.schilles007 folds.charzy is all-In [$40.25]** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 3c, Jc ]** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]dennnycrane: bust him charzy** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]bigDMcgee shows [ Kc, Kd ] two pairs, kings and threes.charzy doesn't show [ 5d, 5h ] two pairs, fives and threes.bigDMcgee wins $9.75 from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and threes.bigDMcgee wins $89.25 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and threes.