disturbed by daniel's blog today

[majorleag 0]

Majorleag, you freaking idiotMajorleag, just leave, this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So because I have an opinion that you do not agree with I am an idiot?I should no longer post because you disagree with my opinion?The response you gave sir, is precisely why many people are intimidated and do not want to post.It is a pretty sad day when people have to resort to petty name calling when they don't agree.Even my nine year old knows better then that.I for one will not reciprocate by bashing you. You are entitled to your opinion even if you have to resort to name calling to make it.

which is exactly what you are doing when you insinuate that people are "sheep" because they disagree with you.

You are right and I publically apologize right here and now for having said so.I didn't really mean it the way it came out, but nonetheless it was derogatory and I really want to at try and have dialog without the vitriolic, bittter and nasty bile that comes through.

[majorleag 0]

Do we need to start a petition to ban majorleag?(s/w) :-)  :-)  :-)

Believe me after today, you may not have to.I may just ban myself or take a self imposed hiatus from this forum.

[Naismith 0]

I think you're getting caught up in the amount of the bets. If the average stack there is around 2k, it doesn't matter whether Daniel sits down with 125k and makes 50k raises or if he sits down with 6k and makes 2.5k raises. It's just an all in.Daniel is great for the game. I guarantee you everyone at that table had fun because of the personality Daniel has. I'm assuming that's why we're all here...because we enjoy watching him play, not just for his skill, but for his demeanor.When I was in Vegas recently, I showed up at the max 100 buyin NL game to find a guy sitting at the table with about 1200 dollars in chips. This was at around 4 in the afternoon and the other people told me he had been there all night. He was also completely trashed and beligerent. If anyone spoke to him at all, he'd say, "How much do you have left? 86? I bet 86 dollars."I watched him do that for about fifteen minutes and then started needling the guy. He doubled me up three times.The style of play was similar...a wreckless player with no regard for the money. I would think you'd love to have someone like that at your table. Getting to play at a table with Daniel would be a lot of fun. Having him throw his money around...that's a bonus.Peace,Jay

[missIdaho 1]

Do we need to start a petition to ban majorleag?(s/w) :-)  :-)  :-)

Believe me after today, you may not have to.I may just ban myself or take a self imposed hiatus from this forum.

Although I disagree with you on this subject, I really hope you don't feel you have to leave the forum because of this.

[ricker 0]

Well, I'm a huge DN fan and that blog hasn't changed my opinion of him but...I was having some similar thoughts as I was reading that blog. On the one hand, it must have been a treat for those folks to have someone of DN's stature sit down with them. But on the other, it did seem kind of unfair. If these people were looking to bet tens of thousands of dollars on a single hand they probably wouldn't have chosen a 5-10 table.  I guess I have mixed feelings on the subject...

I completely agree. Look, I'm sure it was fun for DN to sit down at a 5-10 table and beat the hell outta the game. That's like any of us sitting down at a .05-.10 nl table and reraising 500 BB! No one has the stake to cover any of that and we can't call with anything but the stone cold nuts to make sure we don't lose our total buy-in. I understand people shouldn't goto a casino with money they don't wanna lose. But people also don't wanna lose their entire buy-ins to some (sorry danny, but the way you were playing you gotta admit) rich donkey who doesn't have to care about the money. Self-admittedly, Danny boy said he was sitting down at the 5-10 to practice! If this is the type of practice he's been getting in, no wonder he's been on such a cold streak for the past year. That's not the DN we all know and love, I mean, putting a player all in with Q 10 off just cause you can???? Come on Daniel....that's just not good poker...he even says it himself"A little while later, a gentleman and his wife sat next to me on my right. She was learning how to play poker and I warned her, "Don't do anything you are seeing me do!" She laughed, but liked the "all in thing" as she so eloquently put it."That's just power/bully poker and it contains all the subtly that a mack truck woulda had on that game. Daniel, you're better than that. If you had truly wanted to practice and get your game focused for the WPT event coming up, you woulda sat down with a normal buy in, and played your best poker instead of just messing around.I'm disturbed too, and I believe that Danny boy is better than that and he knows it too.

[majorleag 0]

majorleag-i completely agree with you on this one.  it was a bush-league move on daniels part to rub in others faces his wealth at the poker table, and to think that they are "getting a kick out of it", like it is an honor to be raised 10,000K on a 10 dollar rasie by him.  I for one would have just left the table, and tried to move elsewhere, wether it another table or another casino.    and i personally think it is a completely different situation than if some donk who a ton a money sat down and played this way, simply because daniel is a high profile pro who wasnt taking it seriously.

Explain to me how this is any different from a billionaire donk sitting at your table.

How many Billionaire donks, after having done this brag about it in a public forum?Let's see Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Steve Jobs.Nope I looked can't find their blog entries about the way they bullied people.I guess that point was completely missed.

[Timdog1010 0]

I'm officially tired of this thread. I can absolutely understand why someone might disagree with Major's stance here. But most of the poeple doing the disagreeing are just tools...

[Petoria 0]

Just answer me this, majorleag or anyone who agrees with majorleag.If someone came to your table and played in that fashion, would your expected value increase or decrease? All I want is a one word answer: "increase" or "decrease". Because this is really all that matters at the poker table.

[alf13 0]

I'm officially tired of this thread. I can absolutely understand why someone might disagree with Major's stance here. But most of the poeple doing the disagreeing are just tools...

I agree with this.Especially one poster......

[Petoria 0]

majorleag-i completely agree with you on this one.  it was a bush-league move on daniels part to rub in others faces his wealth at the poker table, and to think that they are "getting a kick out of it", like it is an honor to be raised 10,000K on a 10 dollar rasie by him.  I for one would have just left the table, and tried to move elsewhere, wether it another table or another casino.    and i personally think it is a completely different situation than if some donk who a ton a money sat down and played this way, simply because daniel is a high profile pro who wasnt taking it seriously.

Explain to me how this is any different from a billionaire donk sitting at your table.

How many Billionaire donks, after having done this brag about it in a public forum?Let's see Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Steve Jobs.Nope I looked can't find their blog entries about the way they bullied people.I guess that point was completely missed.

Would you prefer that DN not write a poker blog? Would you prefer that he exclude anything about him winning at poker in the blog?

[Forrest Crunk 0]

You are right and I publically apologize right here and now for having said so.I didn't really mean it the way it came out, but nonetheless it was derogatory and I really want to at try and have dialog without the vitriolic, bittter and nasty bile that comes through.

all good homey! i may not agree with your post, but i understand where it is coming from.

[majorleag 0]

Just answer me this, majorleag or anyone who agrees with majorleag.If someone came to your table and played in that fashion, would your expected value increase or decrease?  All I want is a one word answer:  "increase" or "decrease".  Because this is really all that matters at the poker table.

Sorry but it can't be reduced to a simple increased or decreased.It depends on how much you have.You could wait all day for a premium hand and have your money run out long before you got said hand playing against someone that can take your $10 raise and raise to $10k.So I say with DN at your table playing that way "decrease"Yes you can leave the table but, again the $5 10 player has far fewer choices and options then the guy who can afford to sit at the $2k 4k.Also none of us, and I mean none of us enjoy the guy at the table who brags, as Krup has pointed out about me in the past, and he was right.So how is it cool for him to brag about it here? Forget about all the rest of the argument.How is it good for poker for him to play like that and then come here to boast about it?I think that is -ev but I am apparantly in the minority here.

[majorleag 0]

Do we need to start a petition to ban majorleag?(s/w) :-)  :-)  :-)

Believe me after today, you may not have to.I may just ban myself or take a self imposed hiatus from this forum.

Although I disagree with you on this subject, I really hope you don't feel you have to leave the forum because of this.

Believe me missidaho, besides the fact that I would miss your midriff dearly I wouldn't leave here because I am not a quitter.I won't go gently in to that good night, just because people want to crucify me.I honestly expected quite a bit of it, but again it can be done in a respectful manner, and I make a commitment to Daniel, to the mods and to each and every poster, lurker etc. on this forum that I for one will do everything in my power to be respectful of others.We need to encourage dialog without being offensive and nasty!!I am far from perfect and I know it, and I know that someone will put me in my place when I am out of line, but I will try harder.

[Petoria 0]

Just answer me this, majorleag or anyone who agrees with majorleag.If someone came to your table and played in that fashion, would your expected value increase or decrease?  All I want is a one word answer:  "increase" or "decrease".  Because this is really all that matters at the poker table.

Sorry but it can't be reduced to a simple increased or decreased.It depends on how much you have.You could wait all day for a premium hand and have your money run out long before you got said hand playing against someone that can take your $10 raise and raise to $10k.So I say with DN at your table playing that way "decrease"Yes you can leave the table but, again the $5 10 player has far fewer choices and options then the guy who can afford to sit at the $2k 4k.Also none of us, and I mean none of us enjoy the guy at the table who brags, as Krup has pointed out about me in the past, and he was right.So how is it cool for him to brag about it here? Forget about all the rest of the argument.How is it good for poker for him to play like that and then come here to boast about it?I think that is -ev but I am apparantly in the minority here.

From what I hear, you are saying, "What if you hit a cold run of cards?" That is not the definition of expected value. It would suck if you hit a cold run of cards, but wouldnt it be much more profitable if you hit a good run of cards? So you think, that if you sat at that table forever, you wouldnt come out ahead? Explain to me why.In regards to your other point. Would you prefer it if Negreanu only commented about his losses? It's just information about how he did in that game. This is, in fact, a poker site where a POKER blog is written. What do you want him to talk about in his POKER blog?

[na3r0k 0]

OP is a tard, i would've been happy to see DN at my table the way he was playing. Move in with the nuts get paid.

[majorleag 0]

Would you prefer that DN not write a poker blog?  Would you prefer that he exclude anything about him winning at poker in the blog?

Of course not! You should know better.I just don't think that it was proper to brag after the fact in that manner.So conversely should I not post my opinion?Come on, it is dialog and opinion.Agree, don't agree that's fine.Just do it respectfully.This is NOT an attack on Daniel Negrenau!I like him, but just as I would expect you folks to call me on something I do that you don't agree with, I gave my opinion. Daniel is human just like you and I and can and does make mistakes. IN my opinion he made one, and I think that when he reads this, he will not be upset or offended by my opinion. He will rationally read it and either agree with some, all or none of my post and will move on accordingly.I am NOT out to change Daniel or anyone else! I simply voiced my opinion, period.I am sure that Daniel does not want people to not give their opinions. I am not a yes man, sorry!! I have never, ever been afraid to voice my opinion, regardless of whether or not if made me more or less popular and I won't change now.I just won't blindly read everything here and nod my head and agree as most of you don't either.

[Petoria 0]

OP is a tard, i would've been happy to see DN at my table the way he was playing.  Move in with the nuts get paid.

Ok, lets leave out the name calling. I also apologize for name calling.

[DK 0]

I have a friend who is an attonrey and has a lot of money.. he comes to my littel home game which is $1/$2nlh that is "high" stakes to me and nothing to him, so he plays as daniel did... it is a little anoying that you cant see a cheap flop with a marginal hand, but everyone still plays because of the possible payout...I would love to sit at a table where daniel is "donating" money.. it would be fun, you just have to wait for your spot and cash in.. you loose $15 a round in blinds you cant defend, but then when you get your hand you could make thousands.. sounds pretty good to me

[majorleag 0]

OP is a tard, i would've been happy to see DN at my table the way he was playing.  Move in with the nuts get paid.

Wow well put!So I am a Tard as you so eloquently put it, why because I have an opinion you disagree with?

[memphis-sc 0]

for one, it is completely different from a random wealthy person in that daniel is arguably one of the top pros playing today, and by his own admission, was doing it solely because he thought others got a kick out of it. it kinda shows a very egotistical and "hellmuth-like" attitude,to think that everyone would be honored to have "the" daniel negreaunu sit down with...$125,000!...giggle, giggle, he, he....and i really didnt like his exclamation point at the end of the $125,000.now i always pull for daniel to do well in any tournament he enters, and enjoy watching him on tv...but this was a lame move.

[Stackraider 0]

First of all Major, you have used the phrase "with all due respect" about 500 times already so find another one.Second of all, they were in Las Vegas. Home of 1000 poker rooms. So if they were not comfortable with the stakes or style of play, leaving was an option. Even if they had to wait 30 minutes. It was not a captive audience.You are acting like DN had been cheating. He did everything within the rules ot that casino.

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

OP is a tard, i would've been happy to see DN at my table the way he was playing.  Move in with the nuts get paid.

As a tard, I am completely offended. No name calling you friggin jerkoff. They are debating respectfully.

[Fphillips 0]

Would you prefer that DN not write a poker blog?  Would you prefer that he exclude anything about him winning at poker in the blog?

Of course not! You should know better.I just don't think that it was proper to brag after the fact in that manner.So conversely should I not post my opinion?Come on, it is dialog and opinion.Agree, don't agree that's fine.Just do it respectfully.This is NOT an attack on Daniel Negrenau!I like him, but just as I would expect you folks to call me on something I do that you don't agree with, I gave my opinion. Daniel is human just like you and I and can and does make mistakes. IN my opinion he made one, and I think that when he reads this, he will not be upset or offended by my opinion. He will rationally read it and either agree with some, all or none of my post and will move on accordingly.I am NOT out to change Daniel or anyone else! I simply voiced my opinion, period.I am sure that Daniel does not want people to not give their opinions. I am not a yes man, sorry!! I have never, ever been afraid to voice my opinion, regardless of whether or not if made me more or less popular and I won't change now.I just won't blindly read everything here and nod my head and agree as most of you don't either.

It is your opinion, My opinion is that you should have known better than to have started this thread.

[Randy Reed 0]

I can cerainly understand why major could ASSUME what happened, but I certainly didn't take it the way he did. Daniel was looking for a higher game, unfortunatly that was it. Anyone that knows anything about DN, and putting him at a 5/10 nl table should expect this. It's his humor actually. An all in raise of 45K or 2K is still an all in raise. In fact he doesn't say anywhere, and infered that he didn't just sit there and push all-in every hand. And finally, he admits until some guy donked off his stack at the end, he was actually down so somebody got lucky and has a story to tell, eh?I will bet 99% if not all of them loved the fact he came and played, who wouldn't? I'm with the guy who would have got drunk, laughed at every all-in and had a blast. Again, if you can't afford to lose what you have then you shouldn't be playing 5-10NL.As for the Wynn, do you really think they minded Daniel showing up at the poker room and playing? I guarantee the whole place was buzzing and going nuts. The place was probably packed the next few nights with everyone hoping he'd come back, seriously!

[nosoul 0]

Am I the only one having flashbacks to McManus' "you're disrespecting the game" speech when someone straddled the blinds?In Super/System's no limit section, isn't the basic concept to "make the other guy make a tough decision for all his money"? So we're now gonna get on Daniel for playing power poker? Because he did it for fun?If the other players are pissed about Daniel running them over, it's just because they suck. They're not good enough to stop it or know how to deal with it. They should consider it a good lesson in playing the game. A lesson that only cost them one buy-in at a no-limit table.