flop nut straight on flopped flush board, all in 2 u

[dna4ever 2]

tourny situation you have 2600 chips, average stack 2700, long way from the money89 hearts and you call a 3x bb preflop raise in bb from a fairly tight player in mid position, he has 4100 chips. Flop comes 7TJ all clubs. You bet pot and original raiser who has you covered comes over the top all in. fold or call?

[PoppinFresh 0]

What are the blinds?Call though.

[dna4ever 2]

blinds 75/150 no ante

[copernicus 0]

I would have folded pre-flop, but I think you have to call here. Combined with a 3x bb preflop bet and that flop there are too many holding he could have that y0u beat, an overpair being the most likely. Even if his all in is with a pair and a flush draw youre a 60/40 favorite. If hes got KQ, including a club you are only a 53/47 dog and you have calling odds.The flopped flush? Theres less than 5% chance of that a priori, so you cant play in fear of it.

[PoppinFresh 0]

blinds 75/150 no ante

Calling preflop is a mistake IMO, you don't have a large enough stack to be playing this hand. Considering the blinds though this is a really easy call, there's around 4250 in the pot and it's 1250 to you. If he has the flush you just have to pay it off.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

I fold pre-flop. Since you called and then bet the pot on the flop, I don't think you can fold here. It's extremely likely he's pushing with a pair and a flush draw, or a lone Ace of clubs.

[highsociety 0]

You have to call in that spot, but as most people said, I would have folded preflop as you would be getting just over 2 to 1 on your money to make that call. If someone else had called in front of you, I would call with 3500+ in chips. PS. I hope you won the hand.

[gobears 0]

It's about 1,300 to call his push with 4,100 in the pot - you have to call with those pot odds and the made straight. The only hand that beats you at this point is the made flush.Your M pre-flop is below 12 - if both your M and the othery player's M were 25 or above, then I could see calling his raise. But you're not getting the correct implied odds to play a suited connector. If you're going to play them, then I would push back against a loose player who has been stealing.In thise case, since you stated that the player was tight, I just fold the hand pre-flop.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Fold pre-flopCall the all-in. 8)

[Lil_Hellmuth 0]

tourny situation you have 2600 chips, average stack 2700, long way from the money89 hearts and you call a 3x bb preflop raise in bb from a fairly tight player in mid position, he has 4100 chips. Flop comes 7TJ all clubs. You bet pot and original raiser who has you covered comes over the top all in. fold or call?

I fold here. Why put all your money in the pot when there is a chance that you are drawing dead. Your hand gets no better here. Even if you are against a hand like KcQh (3 percent dog) or Ac Qh (3 percent fav) it is pretty much a coin flip. I wouldnt put my tournament life at stake here when there is a chance that you are drawing dead and if you arent. You are more than likely a coniflip. You have enough chips to justify a fold and try to pick a better spot.

[copernicus 0]

tourny situation you have 2600 chips, average stack 2700, long way from the money89 hearts and you call a 3x bb preflop raise in bb from a fairly tight player in mid position, he has 4100 chips. Flop comes 7TJ all clubs. You bet pot and original raiser who has you covered comes over the top all in. fold or call?

I fold here. Why put all your money in the pot when there is a chance that you are drawing dead. Your hand gets no better here. Even if you are against a hand like KcQh (3 percent dog) or Ac Qh (3 percent fav) it is pretty much a coin flip. I wouldnt put my tournament life at stake here when there is a chance that you are drawing dead and if you arent. You are more than likely a coniflip. You have enough chips to justify a fold and try to pick a better spot.

Fold to the all in on the flop? Or earlier?There is no way he can fold after he's led out on the flop, Hes getting 1.67/1 odds on a hand he may be ahead on or a coin flip behind. They are far from the money, and $EV and tEV are pretty much the same.He never should have gotten into this position but to fold now would be a huge blunder.

[strategy 4]

tourny situation you have 2600 chips, average stack 2700, long way from the money89 hearts and you call a 3x bb preflop raise in bb from a fairly tight player in mid position, he has 4100 chips. Flop comes 7TJ all clubs. You bet pot and original raiser who has you covered comes over the top all in. fold or call?

I fold here. Why put all your money in the pot when there is a chance that you are drawing dead. Your hand gets no better here. Even if you are against a hand like KcQh (3 percent dog) or Ac Qh (3 percent fav) it is pretty much a coin flip. I wouldnt put my tournament life at stake here when there is a chance that you are drawing dead and if you arent. You are more than likely a coniflip. You have enough chips to justify a fold and try to pick a better spot.

Fold to the all in on the flop? Or earlier?There is no way he can fold after he's led out on the flop, Hes getting 1.67/1 odds on a hand he may be ahead on or a coin flip behind. They are far from the money, and $EV and tEV are pretty much the same.He never should have gotten into this position but to fold now would be a huge blunder.

I haven't looked in on the tournament forum in ages, but I would be shocked if Lil_Hellmuth wasn't a troll. Don't waste your time

[loogie 115]

I call the PF raise from the big blind here occasionally. It's a good starting hand to stack someone.After his raise, I call. He's raising to knock out the flush draw with his over pair enough to make it worth a call.

[timwakefield 68]

I fold here.  Why put all your money in the pot when there is a chance that you are drawing dead.

So let's say you hold 99 and the flop comes jj9. You fold to an all in because you might be drawing dead (vs jj)??? There's almost always a chance that you will lose everytime you play a hand.This is a definite call. You have too much invested to fold here when only a pat flush has you beat.

[Lil_Hellmuth 0]

I fold here.  Why put all your money in the pot when there is a chance that you are drawing dead.

So let's say you hold 99 and the flop comes jj9. You fold to an all in because you might be drawing dead (vs jj)??? There's almost always a chance that you will lose everytime you play a hand.This is a definite call. You have too much invested to fold here when only a pat flush has you beat.

No I dont fold in the scenario that you said. Because there are many scenarios that you are far ahead of. In his case there are not a lot of scenarios that he is far ahead. The hands that he is likely to see form a call are a flopped flush (which he is dead to) or some othe type of coordiated hand that has a big flush draw. If you guys think I am stupid for laying it down, so be it. But I cant justify a call in that spot.

[copernicus 0]

I fold here.  Why put all your money in the pot when there is a chance that you are drawing dead.

So let's say you hold 99 and the flop comes jj9. You fold to an all in because you might be drawing dead (vs jj)??? There's almost always a chance that you will lose everytime you play a hand.This is a definite call. You have too much invested to fold here when only a pat flush has you beat.

No I dont fold in the scenario that you said. Because there are many scenarios that you are far ahead of. In his case there are not a lot of scenarios that he is far ahead. The hands that he is likely to see form a call are a flopped flush (which he is dead to) or some othe type of coordiated hand that has a big flush draw. If you guys think I am stupid for laying it down, so be it. But I cant justify a call in that spot.

do you play online, where and whats your SN?

[timwakefield 68]

I fold here.  Why put all your money in the pot when there is a chance that you are drawing dead.

So let's say you hold 99 and the flop comes jj9. You fold to an all in because you might be drawing dead (vs jj)??? There's almost always a chance that you will lose everytime you play a hand.This is a definite call. You have too much invested to fold here when only a pat flush has you beat.

No I dont fold in the scenario that you said. Because there are many scenarios that you are far ahead of. In his case there are not a lot of scenarios that he is far ahead. The hands that he is likely to see form a call are a flopped flush (which he is dead to) or some othe type of coordiated hand that has a big flush draw. If you guys think I am stupid for laying it down, so be it. But I cant justify a call in that spot.

I don't think it's stupid to lay it down, I just think it's too tight. There's a very good chance your opponent has the nut draw, top pair, trips, etc. You're well ahead of all these hands.

[Lil_Hellmuth 0]

I fold here. Why put all your money in the pot when there is a chance that you are drawing dead.

So let's say you hold 99 and the flop comes jj9. You fold to an all in because you might be drawing dead (vs jj)??? There's almost always a chance that you will lose everytime you play a hand.This is a definite call. You have too much invested to fold here when only a pat flush has you beat.

No I dont fold in the scenario that you said. Because there are many scenarios that you are far ahead of. In his case there are not a lot of scenarios that he is far ahead. The hands that he is likely to see form a call are a flopped flush (which he is dead to) or some othe type of coordiated hand that has a big flush draw. If you guys think I am stupid for laying it down, so be it. But I cant justify a call in that spot.

do you play online, where and whats your SN?

Oh let me guess you are going to come find me online and take all my money. No I dont play online anymore...I just play live.

[Jadaki 0]

Oh let me guess you are going to come find me online and take all my money.   No I dont play online anymore...I just play live.

We have a discussion going in the Hold em stratgy forum under the blind defense thread, do you play at PM also?