can someone explain this rule to me please

[jayo 0]

We were playing a house game last night where one of our regular players brought a friend from work to play . The following happened during a game of NLhold em. SB 2000 BB 4000 , the next person too act who was low in chips went all in for 6500 . I folded the next player said i reraise all in for 30k . Our new player states that you cannot do this as the first raise ( the all in player) did not make an legitimate raise(ie he had to raise to at least 8000) so all you can do is flat call the 6500.Can someone give me the correct ruling on this as i felt anyone who had no chips invested after his all in move could reraise but if you had chips already invested you can only flat call the 6500 even if there is someone else to act after you (ie SB BB)R am i totally wrong as well

[Suited_Up 2]

Normally as long as the raise is at least half the bet, you can re-raise. So 6500 would qualify. Am I right?

[Stylin_Fish 0]

We were playing a house game last night where one of our regular players brought a friend from work to play . The following happened during a game of NLhold em. SB 2000 BB 4000 , the next person too act who was low in chips went all in for 6500 . I folded the next player said i reraise all in for 30k . Our new player states that you cannot do this as the first raise ( the all in player) did not make an legitimate raise(ie he had to raise to at least 8000) so all you can do is flat call the 6500.Can someone give me the correct ruling on this as i felt anyone who had no chips invested after his all in move could reraise but if you had chips already invested you can only flat call the 6500 even if there is someone else to act after you (ie SB BB)R am i totally wrong as well

You have no idea how wrong you are.

[benhoug 0]

We were playing a house game last night where one of our regular players brought a friend from work to play . The following happened during a game of NLhold em. SB 2000 BB 4000 , the next person too act who was low in chips went all in for 6500 . I folded the next player said i reraise all in for 30k . Our new player states that you cannot do this as the first raise ( the all in player) did not make an legitimate raise(ie he had to raise to at least 8000) so all you can do is flat call the 6500.Can someone give me the correct ruling on this as i felt anyone who had no chips invested after his all in move could reraise but if you had chips already invested you can only flat call the 6500 even if there is someone else to act after you (ie SB BB)R am i totally wrong as well

I could be totally wrong here, but I'm pretty sure this rule is one of those grey areas. I think it depends on the card room (if you're playing at a casino), or the house rules. But, my interpretation of the rule is as long as the short stack player raises over half of the bet in front of him it's a legal raise. In your example the BB is 4000, so in order to make it a legal raise he only has to raise to 6000, which the short stack did. Like I said, this rule is very much open to interpretation, but I'm pretty sure the way I described it is widely accepted.In short, whoever wanted to raise to 30K got screwed.

[TruePoker 1]

The player can raise all in.....Only if the player who wanted all in had raised and the player who went all in for 6500 had put in an under-raise could he then not re-raise all in.As it stands the player can raise as much as he likes.

[justblaze 0]

you clearly can raise here.

[PotDragon 0]

No grey area at all.There is no rule restricting your INITIAL action in NL. When it is your FIRST ACTION OF THE HAND you may push all in..anytime...regardless of bets in front of you.There are, however, restrictions on a reraise after your initial action has passed.http://cardplayer.com/rules-of-poker/no-li...t-pot-limit.php

3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. A player who has already checked or called can not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.) Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn’t fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.)

Hope this helps. :wink:

[dreamcaster 0]

I find it the most annoying thing in poker when you have to explain to your friends the correct rules.e.g. Blind posting on the next hand when the current big blind busts out.e.g. Minimum bets.Got into an arguement about this as they thought they could bet 100 on the flop when the big blind was 800. They would not give it up either and I didn't have internet access to show them the rules.Donkeys

[PotDragon 0]

BTW...it amazes me how many players think they are "No Limit" players and don't even know this rule...or most of the other ones.How can you gamble your money without knowing the rules ??And when are you coming to Reno !!

[PotDragon 0]

. They would not give it up either and I didn't have internet access to show them the rules.

Ummm....print them out and bring them with you ???

[dreamcaster 0]

I think I will for the future. I didn't think they were so clueless about a game they "think" they are good at.

[Socrates 0]

A raise of half the minimum allowed raise opens the betting for a rerasie.

[PotDragon 0]

A raise of half the minimum allowed raise opens the betting for a rerasie.

He said incorrectly.I just posted the rule and yet you still don't know it, huh ? :roll:

[jayo 0]

You have no idea how wrong you are.

i love this u r able to tell me stylin fish i am so wrong , any chance u could tell me what is right r were u waiting for someone else to give the answer so u can act like u knew it all the time

[jeremyb311 0]

A raise of half the minimum allowed raise opens the betting for a rerasie.

Only in some casinos.Some places use the full raise ruleScenario1/2 NL UTG raises to 12, UTG +1 reraises to 21 (a raise of 9)folds around to BB who calls. UTG cannot re-raise if you use the full raise rule but can if you use the half raise rule.I prefer the full raise rule as using the half raise rule still allows a certain amount of trapping by a short stack all in and someone who wants to isolate. It is always something to consier before calling here in the BB as the UTG raiser might very well wish to go allin if the rules allow it. By the way if you play in Detroit and ask this question at a NL table it will take precisely one dealer and two floor people to properly answer your question within 10 minutes of you asking. Thank God I live in vegags now.Cheers,JB

[jeremyb311 0]

No grey area at all.There is no rule restricting your INITIAL action in NL. When it is your FIRST ACTION OF THE HAND you may push all in..anytime...regardless of bets in front of you.There are, however, restrictions on a reraise after your initial action has passed.http://cardplayer.com/rules-of-poker/no-li...t-pot-limit.php

3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. A player who has already checked or called can not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.) Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn’t fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.)

Hope this helps. :wink:

In the Midwest the half raise rule is used in NL too. It is a terrible rule but they do it.

[PotDragon 0]

Only in some casinos. Some places use the full raise rule

There is no half raise rule in No limit..only in limit.Sheesh. :roll:

A player who has already checked or called can not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.)

It will always be a disadvatage to gamble your money without knowing the rules. :wink:

[PotDragon 0]

In the Midwest the half raise rule is used in NL too. It is a terrible rule but they do it.

Yeah...because the floorman was promoted from the pit and knows not what he/she is doing. I would not play in any casino that did not have the rules printed and available.I would not play in any casino that had floormen making up the rules.

[jeremyb311 0]

In the Midwest the half raise rule is used in NL too. It is a terrible rule but they do it.

Yeah...because the floorman was promoted from the pit and knows not what he/she is doing. I would not play in any casino that did not have the rules printed and available.I would not play in any casino that had floormen making up the rules.

Just saying that there is one sheeesssh.

[bocablkr 0]

Quote: 3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. A player who has already checked or called can not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.) Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn’t fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.) Why can't player B raise again - he initally did not check or call, he raised. What am I missing?

[PotDragon 0]

Just saying that there is one sheeesssh.

If you go play at Harrah's Reno morning tourny, you will have to listen to the "one chip rule" be explained before the start of every tourny. The reason for this is the idiot floorman wants to put out a $500 Chip to start an $800 starting stack.( You guessed it...Pit man now running the poker room. :roll: ) Point is...they explain it WRONG.... every single day ! So I have no doubt at all that you will find this, and other, rules being misapplied. It is up to you, the Player, to protect your own interests and make sure the rules are applied correctly...or ask to see where the floorman is reading "his rule" from.All of the rules of poker are in place for a reason. It is not important that the floorman know what the reason is...only that they apply the rules as they are written and not make up " House Rules ".

[Abbaddabba 0]

Like was already said, if you already acted on it, you can't re-raise an all in that's for less than the minimum raise.If you haven't acted on it, you can bet whatever you want, provided that it's more than double the previous bet.

[bocablkr 0]

Like was already said, if you already acted on it, you can't re-raise an all in that's for less than the minimum raise.If you haven't acted on it, you can bet whatever you want, provided that it's more than double the previous bet.

The quoted rule does not say 'acted' on - it says checked or called.

[Vatche 0]

Normally as long as the raise is at least half the bet, you can re-raise. So 6500 would qualify. Am I right?[/quoteno way...thats limit....in a no limit game it has to match the original bet to be considered a raise...tha all in player needed to have at least 8000

[Stylin_Fish 0]

You have no idea how wrong you are.

i love this u r able to tell me stylin fish i am so wrong , any chance u could tell me what is right r were u waiting for someone else to give the answer so u can act like u knew it all the time

I was commenting on your "R am i totally wrong as well" comment, not the rule.