situation in casino

[Randy Reed 0]

Ok, a few months ago at the local casino o foreign guy was very quiet and sat on my left, played very well, but a situation came up where the dealer passed him on the river card in early position, (He just sat and never made a motion, kinda covered his cards with his hands), after the betting ensued and was finished he brought up that he had been passed and they offered to let him bet at that point and he just mucked the hand.So now it's a few months later and he joins in a 3/6 game at a different casino. After a few hours it came up again. He was to the right of the dealer and I was spots to the left so I never had a good view of him. On the river I made my straight, the dealer looked to me to bet, (I assumed he folded), so I raised out got one caller, we flipped the cards over and I showed my straight. At that point the foriegn guy, brings up that he had been passed over, the dealer offers him the chance to bet and does naturally with his Q3 flush.Sorry this was long, but was there anything I could have done here? At what point are the dealers responsible for anything? This guy obviously did it on purpose being in ep. Thoughts?

[WorkYou 0]

thats weird. dont even let it bother you its only 6 bux.

[Suited_Up 2]

If he doesn't say anything till after the hand is done... his hand should be dead. I really can't see any other way to do it. He needs to be responsible for having his cards in sight and saying something if they skip him.

[iveyfan30 0]

i hate those damn foreigners.........

[Coldp1ayer 0]

If he doesn't say anything till after the hand is done... his hand should be dead.  I really can't see any other way to do it.  He needs to be responsible for having his cards in sight and saying something if they skip him.

Agreed, you have flipped your cards over and he has not said anything so surely the hand should be dead?

[DCSports92GSR 0]

If he doesn't say anything till after the hand is done... his hand should be dead.  I really can't see any other way to do it.  He needs to be responsible for having his cards in sight and saying something if they skip him.

truth.

[WorkYou 0]

If he doesn't say anything till after the hand is done... his hand should be dead.  I really can't see any other way to do it.  He needs to be responsible for having his cards in sight and saying something if they skip him.

meybe he did have his cards visable.. noone knows. sometimes the dealers do skip people by accident. his hand shouldnt be mucked. meybe he doesnt know english if he doesn't say anything ever. meybe when the dealer skipped him and he doesnt know what to say so he just waits. his hand should not be mucked. its the dealers fault.

[AC BillP 0]

Once there's been action in 2 positions, he has no play. Call the floor. If ruled against, tell them the guys history, etc away from the table. Obviously ask the dealer if it's your turn, and if the play is over (in stud) in the future, it's over. That's a fairly common angle play. Once the dealer says all over--it's all over. And no the casino NEVER pays for the dealers' mistakes.In the future hold your cards physically until the dealer pushs you the pot too. Next trip he'll hide his cards until you muck you cards, and then claim the pot!!! :shock:

[Suited_Up 2]

If he doesn't say anything till after the hand is done... his hand should be dead.  I really can't see any other way to do it.  He needs to be responsible for having his cards in sight and saying something if they skip him.

meybe he did have his cards visable.. noone knows. sometimes the dealers do skip people by accident. his hand shouldnt be mucked. meybe he doesnt know english if he doesn't say anything ever. meybe when the dealer skipped him and he doesnt know what to say so he just waits. his hand should not be mucked. its the dealers fault.

He said he kept his hands over his cards or something to that effect. If he can't speak english, then speak something, point, grunt, do something. Raise your fuckin hand! Even if it was the dealers fault... what do you do with the pot? Because if you give it to this guy, then he could do that every time and wait to see whether he wins or not. I don't think so!! If the dealer misses his cards, then he needs to speak up. If not, he loses.

[WorkYou 0]

If he doesn't say anything till after the hand is done... his hand should be dead.  I really can't see any other way to do it.  He needs to be responsible for having his cards in sight and saying something if they skip him.

meybe he did have his cards visable.. noone knows. sometimes the dealers do skip people by accident. his hand shouldnt be mucked. meybe he doesnt know english if he doesn't say anything ever. meybe when the dealer skipped him and he doesnt know what to say so he just waits. his hand should not be mucked. its the dealers fault.

He said he kept his hands over his cards or something to that effect. If he can't speak english, then speak something, point, grunt, do something. Raise your fuckin hand! Even if it was the dealers fault... what do you do with the pot? Because if you give it to this guy, then he could do that every time and wait to see whether he wins or not. I don't think so!! If the dealer misses his cards, then he needs to speak up. If not, he loses.

thats the dealer and the casinos problem to figure out what to do after it happens. why should the guy have to yell and screem and point just so everyone can take there bets out and he can bet his nuts. i wouldn't say anything either. i woudlnt wnat everyone to know i have a good hand by yelling and screaming and point how i want to bet. i would say nothing and let the casino deal with there mistake. and he said partially covering his cards or something. doesnt matter what he said. there is no way to no wheater he was covering his cards or not. noone knows.

[Suited_Up 2]

If he doesn't say anything till after the hand is done... his hand should be dead.  I really can't see any other way to do it.  He needs to be responsible for having his cards in sight and saying something if they skip him.

meybe he did have his cards visable.. noone knows. sometimes the dealers do skip people by accident. his hand shouldnt be mucked. meybe he doesnt know english if he doesn't say anything ever. meybe when the dealer skipped him and he doesnt know what to say so he just waits. his hand should not be mucked. its the dealers fault.

He said he kept his hands over his cards or something to that effect. If he can't speak english, then speak something, point, grunt, do something. Raise your fuckin hand! Even if it was the dealers fault... what do you do with the pot? Because if you give it to this guy, then he could do that every time and wait to see whether he wins or not. I don't think so!! If the dealer misses his cards, then he needs to speak up. If not, he loses.

thats the dealer and the casinos problem to figure out what to do after it happens. why should the guy have to yell and screem and point just so everyone can take there bets out and he can bet his nuts. i wouldn't say anything either. i woudlnt wnat everyone to know i have a good hand by yelling and screaming and point how i want to bet. i would say nothing and let the casino deal with there mistake. and he said partially covering his cards or something. doesnt matter what he said. there is no way to no wheater he was covering his cards or not. noone knows.

Sure there is. The person who was ACTUALLY THERE... said he was covering them. You and I can't know, but the way to find out is ask someone who was there. And that's alerady been taken care of. Your cards need to be visible. Dealers tell people that all the time.

[keenlearner 0]

I've heard that most casino rooms have cameras

[AC BillP 0]

All I can say is yes he's not required to talk etc., but if the action passes him and a 2nd player makes some action, including folding, his obligation is to motion to the dealer. The rule in live Atlantic City Casino's is the hand is over if there is action in 2 places unless the player motions or speaks up. Just always ask the dealer "Is that it?" or "do I show now?" then the guy can't do anything. And if he puts his hand over up cards and moves them togther so as to hide them IN STUD--the written Casino rule in AC is he has folded.

[Stylin_Fish 0]

Call immigration and get him deported.

[WorkYou 0]

if he covered his cards YES his hand should have been folded. BUT WHY would he cover his cards. he might have tried to cover them alittle bit. but really i doubt he is stupid enough to cover them completely and risk his nutz being folded. even the guy who was at the table who was playing and lost the hand doesnt say he knew forsure the guy WAS covering he suspected. covering is bad. and ur hand should be folded. partially covering is bad manner but it is not actually covering.

[BigFish 0]

Seems to me that everyone is missing the real problem. If the OP had been paying attention to the hand (how many bets are in the pot, how many people on 4th street called that bet). This is 100% the OP's fault, its HIS responsibility to know who is in the pot, even if he cannot see the guy, he can certainly see his chips going into the pot

[Jelly-Filled Ace 1]

donkey dealers = bad beats.

[DB10-2 0]

Seems to me that everyone is missing the real problem. If the OP had been paying attention to the hand (how many bets are in the pot, how many people on 4th street called that bet). This is 100% the OP's fault, its HIS responsibility to know who is in the pot, even if he cannot see the guy, he can certainly see his chips going into the pot

this to me is the same thing as the rule that each player has to protect their hand. if this guy wants to play his hand, he should watch the action and know what he's up. as far as i'm concerned, it looks like an angle shoot. if he has to protect his hand, he has to protect his option to act as well.

[Randy Reed 0]

Well, I honestly can't say what he did this time, the first time he covered them. The dealer started at the looking across from him and swept around the table to me in the CO when I raised. I had thought since I showed, someone folded and someone else had showed, that he shouldn't be aloud to bring it up, and yes he could speak English, and yes I know in my heart he did it on purpose. I was flat shocked and angered at the same time, it was a decent sized pot, but that's not the point. I should have went above the dealer but he seemed confident in the call. Oh well, next time.

[Smasharoo 0]

This guy obviously did it on purpose being in ep.What's he gain by it?

[closetwin 0]

Smash: I'm the OP said he saw his opponents cards before deciding whether or not to bet a queen high flush.CT

[chindi 0]

This guy obviously did it on purpose being in ep.What's he gain by it?

That's easy, he gained the certainty that neither other player had the King High Flush or Ace High Flush, and the knowledge that his hand was the winner.... at which point he exercised an option to bet.Which is gigantic BS, and an angle-shoot and is taking advantage of the fact that people are likely to think he's a foreigner/confused/didn't understand/couldn't speak up. In this spot you call the floor, there is NO way that someone who speaks english and understands the game/play, should be allowed to let their option pass, watch action go, watch all hands revealed and THEN bet. His hand is dead.

[PotDragon 0]

Why would his hand be dead ? If the rule were that if a player acts before you do OUT OF TURN then your hand is dead, what would stop people from beating others into the pot ? Picture it... Angle shooter in seat 9 bets out of turn...his buddy in seat 10 raises quick...player in 2 seat has ...what ?...A DEAD HAND ? :roll: Please.The fact that you bet out of turn...get that...YOU BET OUT OF TURN...does not change his options at all. The dealer...while maybe making a clear mistake....is not playing in the game. Who had money on the line...the dealer or you ? Oh.When you play poker, paying attention is very important. Things like...oh, I don't know...who is in the hand might be something you should watch for. How can you watch for a tell if you don't even know who has cards ?Anyway...take it as a cheap 6 dollar lesson in focus, and REMEMBER THE GUY...if he is truly playing an angle, I'll bet he always takes the 10 seat. See him stall or try to hid his cards DON'T BET INTO HIM...make him play in turn.EDIT: ONE MORE THOUGHT....You may be able to put this to your advantage. If he is playing an angle...I'll bet he has a different way of Placing his cards ...his hands...his body or something, on hands he thinks may develop into his "stall shot". Watch for that...maybe you can avoid his strong holdings. :wink:

[prepgroove 0]

Once there's been action in 2 positions, he has no play. Call the floor. If ruled against, tell them the guys history, etc away from the table. Obviously ask the dealer if it's your turn, and if the play is over (in stud) in the future, it's over. That's a fairly common angle play. Once the dealer says all over--it's all over. And no the casino NEVER pays for the dealers' mistakes.In the future hold your cards physically until the dealer pushs you the pot too. Next trip he'll hide his cards until you muck you cards, and then claim the pot!!! :shock:

This sort of thing happened at my table once. It was chacked around on the river skipping one guy. The floor was called and it was determined that significant action has taken place and that the player couldn't bet. Two positions seems like enough action to be considered significant. I would've called the floor.