cash games or tournaments.?

[evmann86 0]

I definetly play more cash games, but i definetly have made more money in MTT's. I played a 30+3 on PP last night, 850 entrants I took 7th for 733 bucks. In my last 4 of 6 MTT's I've made the final table (with results of 5, 4, 2, and 7), for a total of about 4700 dollars. my bankroll is currently 5700 dollars, so those tournaments make up for a large portion of it. I don't play the MTT's though unless i know I'm mentally ready for 6-7 hours of concentration. I think part of my problem with cash games is that after seeing these huge profits (like 2000 dollars from 50), it's hard for me to be satisfied with just 3 bb an hour, so i can find myself getting bored and frustrated. I play mostly 5-10 Omaha 8 and 100 or 200 NL Hold'em.

[Guest]

SnGs are profitable if you are a good SnG player. You do have a limited # of hands to 'catch a hand'. But the same is true for your opponents, and you can exploit this.

[jayboogie 0]

Playing tournaments is like a release for me. I'll play a couple MTT's when I run bad in the cash games and I usually have good results. Tournaments are so much less stressful, all I can lose is the buy-in and that won't even bother me much, but try playing the cash games and being stuck several thousand. However IMO, cash games are more profitable, it's not the glamour of winning a big tournament but it's bills being paid on a consistent basis.I think most players that prefere tournaments just simply don't have the mindset required to be successful at cash games, they can't handle the swings of the game. Most people that play tournaments are just looking for the big score which is what tournament poker is. I'm always hearing about all these cashes for a MTT, well you know somebody has to win them, and the variance is just huge for these tournaments, you can win a couple in a row, but finish out of the money for 100 of them in a row right after. Most people haven't played long enough at these MTT's to know if they truly are making money from it or have just gone through a lucky stretch.

[MuzkitO 0]

:shock: I can't beleive my eyes when I read all these posts' that ppl are going for cash against tourneys or tourney play against cash, now I know where all the fish* in the tourneys that help me double are, the ones that say "I play tourneys as play" jajaja I LUV IT!! I Enjoy that Weak Mentality! Look I've been playing poker for a good3yrs in a means of income while going to college, and I play both and yes , in 20min in cash games I could triple my buy in and yes in tourneys @ times I could play for an hr and jst break even or make a lil profit, But if YOU KNOW ANYTHIGN ABOUT POKER, If yoru good, and keep a strategty, because yes theirs streategy in playing tourneys and winning, and yes @ times theirs luck, but their is also Skill! Cash games and Tourney Games reminds me of that story of the Turtle and Rabbit racing, Rabbit (Cash game) Turtle (Tourney) In the short run, the rabbit could go far, but in the LONGGGG RUNN The Tourney player the Turtle will have a consistent win, and his loses would be minimized, and C'mon ppl if you multi table cash or tourneys your making a nice lil profit in the long run per hour, I play both cash and tourney and by the end of the week my profits on both come out very similar Poker is Poker, and Keep laying "tourneys as play" Cuz Those are the same players that double me up, or call my all in w/ 6-7 or 8-9 or w/ a weak A' I luv it!! KEEP DONATING 2 ME!! LIFE IS GOOOOOOOOOD :wink:

[Royal_Tour 0]

:shock: I can't beleive my eyes when I read all these posts' that ppl are going for cash against tourneys or tourney play against cash, now I know where all the fish* in the tourneys that help me double are, the ones that say "I play tourneys as play" jajaja I LUV IT!! I Enjoy that Weak Mentality! Look I've been playing poker for a good3yrs in a means of income while going to college, and I play both and yes , in 20min in cash games I could triple my buy in and yes in tourneys @ times I could play for an hr and jst break even or make a lil profit, But if YOU KNOW ANYTHIGN ABOUT POKER, If yoru good, and keep a strategty, because yes theirs streategy in playing tourneys and winning, and yes @ times theirs luck, but their is also Skill! Cash games and Tourney Games reminds me of that story of the Turtle and Rabbit racing, Rabbit (Cash game) Turtle (Tourney) In the short run, the rabbit could go far, but in the LONGGGG RUNN The Tourney player the Turtle will have a consistent win, and his loses would be minimized, and C'mon ppl if you multi table cash or tourneys your making a nice lil profit in the long run per hour, I play both cash and tourney and by the end of the week my profits on both come out very similar Poker is Poker, and Keep laying "tourneys as play" Cuz Those are the same players that double me up, or call my all in w/ 6-7 or 8-9 or w/ a weak A' I luv it!! KEEP DONATING 2 ME!! LIFE IS GOOOOOOOOOD :wink:

You sir.. Are an Idiot!!. . I'm shocked that you think 3 years is a long time.I'm shocked that you would post such a ridiculous commentI'm shocked that you can sit there and try to explain your theory with the rabbit and the hare, without going into detail about every pro. who plays 1000,2000 or 2000 4000, ring games, and builds their BR and pays for their expenses with this cash.Where do u think they get their tournament buy-ins from??.. other tournaments? give me a break knumb nuts.Keep thinking we are the ones donating to you. And FYI., do you know what the best starting hand VS AA is, besides another AA??? comon.. take a wild guess

[Guest]

Hey, I just wanna thank you for putting together an intelligent reply.Seriously. You were nice and presented your case well.However, I definitely think that bankroll management, variance, and especially emotional stability are much more prevalent in a tournament player than a cash game player. And as far as what limit you play goes, I just wanted to see where your level of play was at b/c I didn't feel like having this convo with someone who plays .02/.04. I started playing seriously like 8 months ago at 2/4 & 10 dollar SnG's. I made the switch from LHE to NL and like it alot better because I feel more in control of whats going on when I'm in a hand. My reads come in alot more handy & I like being able to push people off hands.Right now I'm playing 1-2 NL and 50 SnG's and find it alot easier to make money than I did with 2/4 & 3/6. But then again it's all personal preference so I guess this was a waste.

I dont think you have played enough cash games to realize.A tournament is strutured so you dont over exhaust yourself, with breaks, etc.. Tournaments are set buy-ins, perhaps a few re-buys. Tournaments have increasing blind structures which results in more "all or nothing" type of plays.Cash games requires a ton of mental preparation, to be able to bring your set amount of money to a table. The ability to leave when you either A), you lost, or B) you won. It is easy to TILT while playing cash games. especially NL.Cash games are "use at your own risk" attitudes. Its a no holds bar, no one to say "ok 15 minute break". and no one to stop Killer mcdougal from pushing you all in everyhand, everyday, at everytable.

My bad. I didn't realize that walking away from the table wasn't allowed in cash games. Didn't know you were strapped to the table for a set period of time.But I probably just haven't played enough off them to realize anything... :roll: And the fact that cash games require more mental prep than tourney's is completely wrong.Let's just get something straight though.I prefer cash games over tourneys...but I definitely disagree with some stuff being said about tournament play.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Hey, I just wanna thank you for putting together an intelligent reply.Seriously. You were nice and presented your case well.However, I definitely think that bankroll management, variance, and especially emotional stability are much more prevalent in a tournament player than a cash game player. And as far as what limit you play goes, I just wanted to see where your level of play was at b/c I didn't feel like having this convo with someone who plays .02/.04. I started playing seriously like 8 months ago at 2/4 & 10 dollar SnG's. I made the switch from LHE to NL and like it alot better because I feel more in control of whats going on when I'm in a hand. My reads come in alot more handy & I like being able to push people off hands.Right now I'm playing 1-2 NL and 50 SnG's and find it alot easier to make money than I did with 2/4 & 3/6. But then again it's all personal preference so I guess this was a waste.

I dont think you have played enough cash games to realize.A tournament is strutured so you dont over exhaust yourself, with breaks, etc.. Tournaments are set buy-ins, perhaps a few re-buys. Tournaments have increasing blind structures which results in more "all or nothing" type of plays.Cash games requires a ton of mental preparation, to be able to bring your set amount of money to a table. The ability to leave when you either A), you lost, or B) you won. It is easy to TILT while playing cash games. especially NL.Cash games are "use at your own risk" attitudes. Its a no holds bar, no one to say "ok 15 minute break". and no one to stop Killer mcdougal from pushing you all in everyhand, everyday, at everytable.

My bad. I didn't realize that walking away from the table wasn't allowed in cash games. Didn't know you were strapped to the table for a set period of time.But I probably just haven't played enough off them to realize anything... :roll: And the fact that cash games require more mental prep than tourney's is completely wrong.Let's just get something straight though.I prefer cash games over tourneys...but I definitely disagree with some stuff being said about tournament play.

Do you make a living playing poker??Have you tried playing high stakes ring games?. Is it really that easy to jjust say. "ok i'm done?" If you can answer YES to all of these questions, then i will take your points into consideration

[NicksDad1970 0]

I like and play tournaments much better. My only problem is I don't have the time to dedicate myself to tourneys every day.

[mk 11]

I enjoy cash games in a b&m setting, but not online. I fear collusion. Might be silly, but oh well.I've done well in big tourneys online, but when I go through a NLH dry spell I like to hop into some PLO or O8 cash games. You have to be incredibly disciplined to succeed in those games, and it always whips me back into tight-aggressive mode if I've been tilting.

[MuzkitO 0]

:shock:  I can't beleive my eyes when I read all these posts' that ppl are going for cash against tourneys or tourney play against cash, now I know where all the fish* in the tourneys that help me double are, the ones that say "I play tourneys as play" jajaja I LUV IT!! I Enjoy that Weak Mentality! Look I've been playing poker for a good3yrs in a means of income while going to college, and I play both and yes , in 20min in cash games I could triple my buy in and yes in tourneys @ times I could play for an hr and jst break even or make a lil profit, But if YOU KNOW ANYTHIGN ABOUT POKER, If yoru good, and keep a strategty, because yes theirs streategy in playing tourneys and winning, and yes @ times theirs luck, but their is also Skill! Cash games and Tourney Games reminds me of that story of the Turtle and Rabbit racing, Rabbit (Cash game) Turtle (Tourney) In the short run, the rabbit could go far, but in the LONGGGG RUNN The Tourney player the Turtle will have a consistent win, and his loses would be minimized, and C'mon ppl if you multi table cash or tourneys your making a nice lil profit in the long run per hour, I play both cash and tourney and by the end of the week my profits on both come out very similar Poker is Poker, and Keep laying "tourneys as play" Cuz Those are the same players that double me up, or call my all in w/ 6-7  or 8-9 or w/ a weak A' I luv it!! KEEP DONATING 2 ME!! LIFE IS GOOOOOOOOOD  :wink:

You sir.. Are an Idiot!!. . I'm shocked that you think 3 years is a long time.I'm shocked that you would post such a ridiculous commentI'm shocked that you can sit there and try to explain your theory with the rabbit and the hare, without going into detail about every pro. who plays 1000,2000 or 2000 4000, ring games, and builds their BR and pays for their expenses with this cash.Where do u think they get their tournament buy-ins from??.. other tournaments? give me a break knumb nuts.Keep thinking we are the ones donating to you. And FYI., do you know what the best starting hand VS AA is, besides another AA??? comon.. take a wild guess

Okay, Poker is all about "cash games" Happy? Ur just another fish* thinking* "they know it all" but hey, I'll let ya lie to urself taht you know it all, its exactly the type of player that donate their chips in live and ring games, and well I'm only 23 been playing 3yrs, and I never mentionend I know the game, just enough to Get me By but obviosly you don't know that, instead of trying to hate on me, and wasting ur time browsing through FCP w/ ur 861 POSTS DAYMN!! Get ur A$$ In a ring game, and make that $Money$ Cuz thats wht its all bout' gurl! So quit Hating On Dis Playa! And APPRECIATE :wink: And about me going in every detail, I ain't trying to give out advice in how to play the game, when I player sucks out on me, I stay quiete and move on, cuz 80% of the time which is my percentage of placing in sng's I'm making that $ and Smiling all da Way 2 da Bank! And if you think playing Cash games in the only way too build a BR u Maam R AN IDIOT! But Don't worry someday, hopefully someday when U Go BUST* U'll know this lol GL @ DA TABLES, THATS IF UR ACTUALLY PLAYING JAJAJAJ LATEZ! 8)

[brian67 0]

I have had a lot of success in both cash games and sng's. If you are a good player you can make good money in both. For the guys talking about mtt's, I really doubt any of you can be consistent enough to make a living this way. If your main goal is making money then this is not the way to do it in the long run. I enjoy playing tourneys, but the money really is in the cash games. Even if there is more money to be made on a more consistent basis in cash games, that is not to say that no one can be more profitable in tourneys than they would in cash games. Different people excel in different areas. It really isn't that one takes so much more preparation than the other, they are simply different. The mindset for playing both is different. Cash games and tourneys both take mental preparation, patience, and all other skills and attributes of poker. The thing is that not everyone plays poker for the same reasons. If you enjoy tourneys for some reason, then play tourneys. If you prefer cash games, play cash games. If you like to mix it up and play both, then go for it. It's not the type of thing to argue about because it is based on so many different individual factors.

[WaffleMcHat 0]

MuzkitO you are clearly an idiot.

[bascomeb 0]

MuzkitO you are clearly an idiot.

[DCWildcat 0]

MuzkitO you are clearly an idiot.

[allinbluff35 0]

MuzkitO you are clearly an idiot.

[Egarim 0]

This argument could go on and on forever.... Basically it depends on the type of player you are and what you are better at. I used to be a tournament specialist.... i turned 50 dollars into 10k in one month. ( i did it all really in one week where i went on a run finishing 3rd 2nd 2nd in 3 tourneys). But after playing longer I've become much more consistent at cash games making 5bb/ hr (not per 100hands... im not using poker tracker or w/e prog u guys r using... just going by poker analyst). And I've been playing great and just missed 2 superweekday final tables and one tonight due to luck (i have 5s and flop comes 3 5 3 and other guy has pocket 3s. yikes!). So i'll definitely agree that tournaments require luck but also a tremendous amount of skill. THere's more pressure in tournaments and one hand can knock you out where as in cash games you can rebuyin .Cash games = more consistent (if you're good)Tournaments = shot at a big paydayAlso, I think MuzkitO is a witch! Burn that witch at the stake! (80% sitngo haha :roll: )

[foldnrun 0]

MuzkitO you are clearly an idiot.

i'd say it again and just leave it at that... but i think all the bubbles will just confuse the poor person.i'll say it a little simpler, in your language, MuzkitO:YOU NO SMART.

[Royal_Tour 0]

MuzkitO you are clearly an idiot.

i'd say it again and just leave it at that... but i think all the bubbles will just confuse the poor person.i'll say it a little simpler, in your language, MuzkitO:YOU NO SMART.

LOL!!... you guys beat me to it

[MuzkitO 0]

MuzkitO you are clearly an idiot.

i'd say it again and just leave it at that... but i think all the bubbles will just confuse the poor person.i'll say it a little simpler, in your language, MuzkitO:YOU NO SMART.

i WOULD love to play you fishes in a sNG, make a date were and when!

[custom36 4]

MuzkitO you are clearly an idiot.

[sublime 0]

Okay, Poker is all about "cash games" Happy? Ur just another fish* thinking* "they know it all" but hey, I'll let ya lie to urself taht you know it all, its exactly the type of player that donate their chips in live and ring games, and well I'm only 23 been playing 3yrs, and I never mentionend I know the game, just enough to Get me By but obviosly you don't know that, instead of trying to hate on me, and wasting ur time browsing through FCP w/ ur 861 POSTS DAYMN!! Get ur A$$ In a ring game, and make that $Money$ Cuz thats wht its all bout' gurl! So quit Hating On Dis Playa! And APPRECIATE :wink: And about me going in every detail, I ain't trying to give out advice in how to play the game, when I player sucks out on me, I stay quiete and move on, cuz 80% of the time which is my percentage of placing in sng's I'm making that $ and Smiling all da Way 2 da Bank! And if you think playing Cash games in the only way too build a BR u Maam R AN IDIOT! But Don't worry someday, hopefully someday when U Go BUST* U'll know this lol GL @ DA TABLES, THATS IF UR ACTUALLY PLAYING JAJAJAJ LATEZ! 8)

You are in your third year of college and this is how you write? God save us if you are one of the future leaders of our country!~sublime(Don't hate the playa hate the game :shock: )

[sublime 0]

BOTH!I use the cash games to make money for the larger tournament buy-ins. I will play tons of cash games and use those profits to get into the larger buy-in and guaranteed tournaments. There is nothing-sweeter then winning a tourney for a huge cash influx. The number of hours I would have to play to equal one big win in a large tournament is unreal. So I use the profits from the ring games to finance the tournament buy-ins.I do tend to play a lot tighter in tournaments and a lot looser in ring games. This helps my tournament game as a lot of the ring game players come into the tournaments and think I am playing my loose game and are more then willing to call my bets.All of this = +EV~sublime

[NicksDad1970 0]

Keep thinking we are the ones donating to you. And FYI., do you know what the best starting hand VS AA is, besides another AA??? comon.. take a wild guess6-7 suited?

[bigkg 0]

MuzkitO you are clearly an idiot.

[offix 0]

its nice to break up cash games with some tourny play !!

Agreed. I usually play 3/6 cash games at my local casino. But every Saturday and Sunday they do a small (40 people + 5-6 alternates) NL tournament, with the first price $595. Buy in $25 and one $20 rebuy in the first 3 rounds.Fun to do, good tourney practice, cheap to enter, and with such a low number of players pretty good odds.Overall though, the cash games, even at 3/6, are much more profitable.